Topic: cryptohunter's problem with the top 200 merit receivers - page 9. (Read 23375 times)

It's not. I don't have a horse.

You're right. It was very inconsiderate of me to disrespect your non-intellectual property. I've fixed it.

I see. It seems you're also upset about me reporting shitposters to mods. Is that at the root of all this? You don't like plagiarists to be banned and it aggravates you that some of the reporters are also in the top 200 of merit receivers?

No, I'm not going to complain about you posting in this thread - that's exactly what it's for. I actually asking you to post here as much as you can.

Thanks for your answer, I am probably wrong, and indeed anyone can make number saying anything.

I wanted to show that I can understand cryptohunter because it looks like (at least in the meta) that the merit is always circulating between the same person.
Also you are right, i didnt check if any of them was a merit source.




Yes you are right, it is a valid point that @Suchmoon has put forward a few times.
Don't get me wrong, i am not siding with CryptoHunter in saying that the merit is being abused and that legendary want to keep it for them.
I just wanted to express the point that if you look at numbers from a certain angle (top receiver, getting merit from top receivers), it appears that it is circulating amont a small number of high ranked users. Hence trying to explain why cryptoHunter might feel that there is a jerking circle.

Your message and @direwolfM14's  are perfect at explaining why my conclusion / view was not right and that there is more to it than just looking at the layer i did.
I do not have the skills to dig it more. I'm happy with the conclusion drawn from your message here and also the link you provided  [TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!

cheers

LOL i see. You mean I described how you actually are and how you actually act. I can see why that may seem like and attack ...it is called reality.

Then I told you that you should not be using my prior art and descriptive flair and passing it off as your own original work. Put it in " " or that could be plagiarism. I was obviously joking since about that part since I am not the sort of gimp who would see a legend banned for one single incidence of this unless it was financially motivated and a repeated offence.

Now  back to grassing legends up for incidents that took place 4 years ago and feeling good about yourself. Don't allow me to keep making fun of you I feel bad about if afterwards and have to lash myself each night. I would feel better for you if you just stayed clear of me unless you have really thought through your entire point before throwing word salad at me. Then denying it or pretending you do not know what I am referring too.

Now no need to continue on about all of this because I am happy to let it drop for now. Any post of yours about this merit hoarding and cycling is willingly and knowingly forcing the conversation to continue so don;t then complain I am going on about it. That is just another logic fail of yours that you can not realise.

No idea what this all means but please do assist. I need your help very much. Anything that keeps you from trolling the rest of the forum is welcome here.

I don't know about LoyceV but i made this thread for you to air your grievances, whatever those might be. If there aren't any - great. IDGAF whose word is last but then again, you think people posting in the same thread are stalking you.

Dude... your attack is under my avatar and then you attacked me for putting it under my avatar

LOL please re read out prior conversations and find all of those answers for yourself.

If you are unable to then get assistance from anyone else who can read and recall what they have read after 5 mins.

If they are not free to assist you then if you state that I will not find any grounding for those statements one by one and list them as above I will come and assist you.

I don't really have any personal issues with ANY person on this board except scammers/scam enablers/scam protectors.

I will post where I like and when I like so long as I please to do so. You are a spammer and have continuously wanted the last (incorrect) word on everything forcing the conversation to continue as you are doing now.

Loyce and you have now made 2 threads to continue this discussion on this specific topic after I had already said I am ready to move on and happy with the presentation that has been made.

I will not be contained to this thread just because you say so.

I'd still say quite a lot. I'm abrasive with pretty much everyone and I'm still getting merited occasionally. I can see some merit sources sending merits to both sides of a good debate.

I think it's easier to send merits where I don't need to take sides (e.g. some purely technical discussion that doesn't involve Bitcoin Cash).


Possible. But for the top 200 or some other group to collude in a way that cryptohunter was implying is just unfeasible. I might "like" your post here but after that I have no control whatsoever whom you send your two earned sMerits to, e.g. it could be TECSHARE, whom I don't "like" at all. Not to mention there are 119 merit sources with many different viewpoints. So even if I'm being too naive about bias on the individual level I still think the system ends up quite diverse and unbiased overall.

You are right. I was too narrow in the way I said it because it does happen on occasion but I still believe it is not the norm.
I also need to work on not saying "you" so much in my posts or addressing a certain other poster like that because I certainly don't mean/want to put a specific person on the spot like that, usually..

I should have said something more like - "How many merited posts do you all see merited for quality of writing and effort despite the sender profoundly disagreeing with the message of the post they merited?"

I think it is natural for us to use merit as a "+1", or a "Yeah, what he said." to show our support for a well placed message that we want to back up as an endorsement.
Or even something funny but low effort, just whatever we enjoy.

It's very true and natural for us to do and I don't think it is wrong to do so, but I can see why someone from another perspective who thinks it's not so funny would feel butthurt seeing a low effort post get merited.

Hey, that's pretty good but look at this one..
My stats there are abysmal! (If the ratio means something bad like some perspectives seem to think.)

I might some day..

My what now?


You've been spamming quite a few merit threads with your tenuous claims so this thread is an attempt to keep it all in one place. I'm sure you'll appreciate that and refrain from off-topic posts elsewhere.


Sorry, what exactly did I assist you with?


That's what this thread is for so it's really up to you.


Really? Where did I do that?


No, it's your personal opinion. The numbers don't say why those merits are sent that way. You're simply setting up a straw man argument (e.g. 150k users are eligible for merit) and then topping it up with a false dilemma (e.g. if someone is saying that 0.13% deserve those merits then they're saying that 99.87% can't make better posts). That's not how it actually works. Most users are shitposters, and yes most Legendaries are too - I know you're gonna like this one - so most of those 150k will never receive a single merit, which is how the merit system is supposed to work.

25k users have received merit. Some received more than others, which is inevitable. But simply taking out merit sources or certain boards isn't gonna prove unfairness even if it exists. You can still believe it if you want. It's just that the numbers you keep throwing around don't mean that.




Let me guess. You're gonna enroll someone else to do the investigation?





I'm getting a feeling that you have personal problems with some (or many) of the top 200 merit receivers, or with people who disagree with you in general, and you're trying to find a way make them look inferior in some way. Which is fair game I guess. As long as you can keep it in this thread and not all over the place (hint: nobody is stalking you even if they happen to post in the same threads as you do).

Hey now, I can take a joke, but you just crossed the line. I can assure you that everyone I date is a willing participant, and I resent any implications to the contrary.

I'm not a Dash lover by any means, though I've stated in the past that it's one of the coins I've liked.  I don't own any and have never done anything to seriously hype it, nor have I ever owned more than about 12 Dash at any given time.  I've always said I liked it because of the low transaction fees and quick confirmation times and its somewhat bad-boy reputation as being originally intended for use on the dark markets (which I've never had a part of).  I've always stated that I'm aware of its shady beginnings, the instamining and all of that.

As far as that situation with the 3000 BCH, I did pose a question in the thread about what happens in situations when a deal is underway and then a fork happens, i.e., who keeps the forked coins.  I can also tell you that I don't completely understand what that whole situation was about, much less what Lauda's role in it really was.  I often find myself reading claims on bitcointalk and not knowing all of the background or who's telling the truth, since there are so many scammers and liars here. 

I'm not trying to use ignorance as an excuse in the case you're referring to--I'm genuinely ignorant of what that deal was about, but I knew enough to question whether there was something arranged between the parties involved beforehand about the forked coins.  If you've got an investigation you can bring forth about Lauda, why don't you just do it instead of talking about it.  Then I'd like to hear the honest opinions from a variety of senior and/or trusted members. 

I don't appreciate being called an ass licker of Lauda.  I just happen to be loyal to people who've supported me, but not to the point of endorsing scamming behavior, and if that's what happened in that escrow deal then I don't condone that (but I'll need proof that's dumbed-down enough for me to follow)--but I'll always respect Lauda's scam- and spam-busting activities and general attitude.  But don't think for a minute that I'm in anyone's pocket, because I'm not.

Back on days when I was looking at a weekly transaction (around May) the estimate amount of merit abused was around 30%, considering the merit sold, bought and exchanged.
I can also assume now the merit abused is lower than May, I think a 10% is the optimistic value.

Your numbers are quite optimistic
From the many merit abuse threads I've seen, and considering 281640 sMerits have been sent until last Friday, I estimate a 2 digit percentage of this to be Merit abuse. But those came from the 600k sMerit airdrop. If you find a Merit source making very bad choices, he may be removed as a source once reported.

Aside from spreading around subjectivity to those that are already demonstrating they are hoarding inside the 0.13% hoping for improvement... and aside from the fact you are found to be supporting the circle at most opportunities I am not shocked they gave you some rewards I'll see you gave them some back too. I mean here you are now trying to bolster their nonsense with yet more stupid nonsense that I just revealed in 1 second but others may fall for hence why I called for the minimum of the top 300 to be removed along with meta board. You are adding weight to my argument that the top 0.13% not only benefit from their own cycling of merit ... they also gain merit from merit seeking ass kissers who hang out in meta and give them some back. I mean you are actually proving my point more than you realise.

However my main concern is those that have not sussed out to kiss ass nonsense and obvious broken logic theories in meta to sidle into the club eventually.

Let's get to this part I have left.

What are you trying to say exactly? be clear because what I am reading is totally and provably incorrect about me being anti spam reduction. Produce something more concrete than because I want legends to have a fair review.

Try not to take forever to reply I see these people sitting there online trying to think of their next excuse or support for a bunch of people not ready to accept they are mediocre posters incapable of anything of real note but are having fun all aligning and agreeing with each other in meta regarding how great their posts are and how to analyse merit best to make them look better or more credible.

I appreciate the effort you've put into this post, and the math is quite telling.  But, like nearly all statistics they only tell part of the story.

If we take my example: I'm not one of the top 200 merit recipients, yet I've only received 22 of my 133 merits from outside the Top 200 Merit Recipients.  That's only 16% of my total.  I'm new around here, and certainly wouldn't consider myself as a member of the "Circle Jerk."

Of the members you referenced as examples, (to the best of my knowledge) three of them are very likely merit sources.  They can afford to be generous with their sMerit.  I myself, have never given more than a single merit to any post, and yet I've never received fewer than 4 from suchmoon.  And frequently receive a minimum of 2 from the Top 200.

It seems fairly clear to me that merit is awarded to good posts 99.99% of the time.  Of course "good posts" are subjective, and that's why we have over 100 merit sources on the forum, so that subjectivity is spread around.  

In my opinion, Cryptohunter's issue with legendary members getting banned is the opposite side of the effort to reduce spam.  The merit system is working in reducing spam, but there are still many hero and legendary spammers around.  They escaped the merit system simply by being here a year or two before it's implementation, and it's only for that reason that they were awarded their rank.  To keep their rank, they merely need to follow the rules.

LOL else I out your previous and quite likely current shady practices.

WOW what a threat I help prevent people getting scammed by you. Why do you consider this a threat if you will be vindicated.

Sorry for mentioning you're a scam pusher/probable current scammer ............my true colours hey

TP is one of your ass lickers supporting bullshit like you keeping 3000bch apparently ... I cant take his moral compass seriously being a former scam lover of dash either. Even if is not true ( i have not looked into it) the fact that he thinks it is fine if it did happen even though the investors did not come off well over all of this is an example of his reasoning. I mean if I have got this wrong and we need a thread opened on it to examine the facts and help me get it all straight before commenting further on the entire episode let me know.

I mean perhaps this is all smoke without fire. So a thorough investigation of your prior history could be put under scrutiny to ensure I have not got you all wrong perhaps you are just a prior scam promoter and not a current scammer.

Pseudo logic - lol. Come on Lauda that's like saying you're a pseudo scammer/scam pusher with pseudo red trust and psuedo ass kick  from any position of trust or influence (except over TP).

Its true colors quickly show themselves.

Don't let someone push you aside with pseudo-logic. If only it remotely resembled actual logic, we wouldn't even get to this thread to begin with.

If you reward people just for the effort, then you going to raise a wave of spoiled users very quickly (which most people complaining about this nonsense in fact are).

That is, a good merit source, in my opinion, should merit a post even if he don't agree with, acknowledging the effort from users.
For the rest I agree on the most are you saying here, some posts are over merited for no reason and others are under merited only because you are not on the "good poster" for the source.
We maybe also talk about the reduction of required merit for legendary rank since if someone is lucky to hit legendary around 750-800 activity why he should wait till 1k merit? Maybe having a rank that require merit=activity after hero rank is the way to go.
And for last point, some legendary accounts really don't deserve their rank, they shit spam on the forum while other people with lower rank post better than them and they are still stucked on lowers ranks.

LaudaM lol - nobody listens to scammers and scam promoters like you.

Nobody would invite you to dinner without chaining the silverware down.

Horrible opinions? Sorry Dash promoter your opinions have been proven horrible since the start. How are you even still allowed on this forum with all your red trust.

Read his early posts whilst promoting Dash scam. He/it was always swearing and trying to bully people around. Now butter would not melt in its mouth now apparently.

Then turns 180 once he dumps his dash scam coins saying it is a scam after all. Never trust this scammer.

Turn coats and scammers are not to be trusted so remain silent.

Give this fool more red trust if you are genuine about saving people from getting scammed.  

No wonder you were removed from any place of responsibility and trust. So remain silent snake tongue. Else I bring a big thread examining you in depth you in in full detail. Get back under your rock.