Cryptotalk 1 BTC Contest Manipulation

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Beginning with the disclosure that while posting this I am wearing their sig.

I think that there are many reasons for why they are doing what they are doing in the way they are doing it.
Most have been stated in this thread more or less:

Quote from: webtricks on November 01, 2019, 02:03:30 PM

May be I am completely wrong but this is what I assume the main reason behind the astonishing campaigning from Yobit merely for a forum: Yobit conducts IEO (ICO) once or so every month. Currently Yobit intimates users about these through email. But to increase the success of these ICOs, YoBit needs higher community participation. Due to bad reputation on Bitcointalk, it is hard for YoBit to announce IEOs on Bitcointalk. Hence they developed Cryptotalk as an asset to increase participation in coin funding and to catalyst their pump/dump operations.

And

Quote from: webtricks on November 01, 2019, 04:43:05 PM

When you have over 300K posts on your forum in a month, Google surely gonna crawl many of those and list these on Google Search. When you have organic crypto-oriented traffic coming to your site, even putting a broad header with 0.5% click-through rate can give you handsome number of investors.

"If you got big money, think of the bigger picture" - Yobit

And

Quote from: LoyceV on November 01, 2019, 07:54:14 AM

I can only think of website rankings: according to worthofweb.com, their value more than doubled in less than a month. I don't think it's working much though, it's now worth 5 times more than worthofweb.com/loyce.club, while I didn't even try Tongue

Along with a few other rankings (Alexa, and such) the higher you get the more you can demand for ads.

Quote from: asche on November 01, 2019, 02:02:14 PM

Since the topic here shifted to why they are doing what they are, I am going to give my opinion about this.
It's a fucking trolling contest.
Both campaigns, the one managed here by yahoo, and their local campaign are just 2 middlefingers raised in bitcointalk's face.

This is some kind of twisted revenge for bitcointalk's banning of the YoBit campaign.

Possibly a tiny bit, but if you have 1000s and 1000s of BTC I can see them spending a bit.

And I am sure there are others.

What is also an interesting question is how deep their marketing and other data goes.
Do they know what BTC came in and what BTC went out and how much BTC was made due to people clicking on links in the sig.

That would be interesting to know.

-Dave

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on November 03, 2019, 10:01:29 AM

The only way to stop the multiple accounts is by making the KYC compulsory.

That's hardly true.

You can easily control people using the same setup/computer/browser.

Most browser fingerprints are close to unique.

You can check yours out here: https://amiunique.org/

No need to go through KYC. I mean you can still cheat, but it takes an increasing amount of energy to do so. And you only have to forget once to get caught.

Adding this to IP control, you can get a pretty good picture of who's who.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 03, 2019, 07:23:09 AM

Quote from: smyslov on November 03, 2019, 05:55:17 AM

They have a rule there that ban multiple account, so if you are going to create multiple account using one IP you are likely to get a ban and all your alt account

Matching IP addresses does not mean all the accounts belong to the same person. Lots of people only connect to the internet via Tor or VPNs, especially people who are interested in bitcoin and anonymity or privacy. Knowing plenty of other forum users who use Tor or VPNs, I wouldn't be surprised if I've shared an IP with 100 other users on here at some point. Doesn't mean we are all alts and should be banned.

Matching IPs can be a useful piece of evidence to help confirm a link between accounts you already suspect, but you can't just say same IPs = alts.

The only way to stop the multiple accounts is by making the KYC compulsory.
There is no other way to truly control the creation of multiple accounts.

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I don't see why multiple account was the main issue there. The contest is base on the post count regardless of post quality. If a multiple user will participate in the contest there. The chance of winning for him was very low because his post count will be divided. The spam post is the main issue there and there is no such manipulation for the contest. The OP is just whining because he lose to spammers. Grin

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Why this butthurt post about cryptotalk forum is still alive on bitcointalk forum.

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Quote from: smyslov on November 03, 2019, 05:55:17 AM

They have a rule there that ban multiple account, so if you are going to create multiple account using one IP you are likely to get a ban and all your alt account

Matching IP addresses does not mean all the accounts belong to the same person. Lots of people only connect to the internet via Tor or VPNs, especially people who are interested in bitcoin and anonymity or privacy. Knowing plenty of other forum users who use Tor or VPNs, I wouldn't be surprised if I've shared an IP with 100 other users on here at some point. Doesn't mean we are all alts and should be banned.

Matching IPs can be a useful piece of evidence to help confirm a link between accounts you already suspect, but you can't just say same IPs = alts.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on November 03, 2019, 02:45:27 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 02, 2019, 04:29:38 PM

Not that I'm complaining too much. If they want to pay spammers to relocate there and away from here, then all power to them.

Not possible to completely get spammers moved from here to cryptotalk. Spammers will go anywhere where they see the opportunity of making money. Also when we use the term Spammers, they are not only the individuals but the whole factory of farming accounts. Cryptotalk showing a total members around 9000 which I doubt are real numbers because there would be many with 10, 20 ,30 + plus accounts too.

They have a rule there that ban multiple account, so if you are going to create multiple account using one IP you are likely to get a ban and all your alt account, but I doubt if people here really have one account because members can use tor address to create another account, with over 9000 members I wonder if they really can monitor these huge number of accounts.
They should get moderators on every category, to monitor all of it.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 02, 2019, 04:29:38 PM

Not that I'm complaining too much. If they want to pay spammers to relocate there and away from here, then all power to them.

Not possible to completely get spammers moved from here to cryptotalk. Spammers will go anywhere where they see the opportunity of making money. Also when we use the term Spammers, they are not only the individuals but the whole factory of farming accounts. Cryptotalk showing a total members around 9000 which I doubt are real numbers because there would be many with 10, 20 ,30 + plus accounts too.

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Quote from: webtricks on November 01, 2019, 02:03:30 PM

Yobit conducts IEO (ICO) once or so every month.

Sure, but I think the vast majority of people willing to waste hours of their lives spamming nonsense in return for literal cents don't exactly have much disposable income. Sure, they might be easy to trick in to "investing" in to some totally trash ICO/ITO/IEO/whatever, but if they are only going to spend 10 bucks, then what's the point. Unless they feel they can lure in thousands and thousands of people this way.

Quote from: webtricks on November 01, 2019, 04:43:05 PM

When you have over 300K posts on your forum in a month, Google surely gonna crawl many of those and list these on Google Search.

Good point, but I still question their target market. Anyone with any sense, already involved in crypto or not, is going to read posts like that - meaningless, vapid, broken English - and immediately be turned off.

Not that I'm complaining too much. If they want to pay spammers to relocate there and away from here, then all power to them.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 31, 2019, 04:51:11 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 31, 2019, 03:03:02 PM

I'm glad Yobit wants them so badly

I mean, just look at his insightful and meaningful posts:

Quote from: cryptokram https://cryptotalk.org/topic/5396-learn-how-to-avoid-phishing-email-scam/page/4/?tab=comments#comment-376174

THis is true and you should be aware of this , before i dont use any email but this yahoo thing.their rocketmail.com, yahoomail.com and yahoo.com. i now use GMAIL only and dont forget to have its security.

Quote from: cryptokram https://cryptotalk.org/topic/15411-do-you-believe-crypto-currency-is-changing-the-world/page/6/?tab=comments#comment-369590

I think only bitcoin can do that not the cryptocurrency itself😊 But I can't deny that crypto nowadays are too popular too already in the entire world now also. but does not mean it can change the world.

Quote from: cryptokram https://cryptotalk.org/topic/7985-are-there-any-chances-to-recover-of-these-coins/?tab=comments#comment-369139

These must be expected by many here in the forum, where most of the altcoins will follows bitcoin trend in the market are those token that has a full of potential to bounce the price to the moon.

With such invaluable contributions as those, who wouldn't want to keep him around!?

Oh man, that is painful to read. If Bitcointalk ever gets that bad I will leave without hesitation.

I can't believe they'd willingly give $9000 to a total spammer, I assumed they'd be at least filtering to check for quality rather than just deciding to award it based on raw post count alone...also I still have no idea what their financial goal is as they are pumping so much money into their forum, and I don't see how it will pay off.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on November 01, 2019, 03:39:10 PM

Quote from: webtricks on November 01, 2019, 02:03:30 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 01, 2019, 06:11:47 AM

Quote from: nutildah on November 01, 2019, 02:15:29 AM

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Spammers are usually short of money and therefore they can't invest in Yobit ICO. If there are no decent people on their forum, there is no way they can gain investors from their own forum.

When you have over 300K posts on your forum in a month, Google surely gonna crawl many of those and list these on Google Search. When you have organic crypto-oriented traffic coming to your site, even putting a broad header with 0.5% click-through rate can give you handsome number of investors.

"If you got big money, think of the bigger picture" - Yobit

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Quote from: webtricks on November 01, 2019, 02:03:30 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 01, 2019, 06:11:47 AM

Quote from: nutildah on November 01, 2019, 02:15:29 AM

I wonder what their end goal is... somehow converting those users (or readers, if there are any) to yobit users?

Yeah, I can't figure that out either.

May be I am completely wrong but this is what I assume the main reason behind the astonishing campaigning from Yobit merely for a forum: Yobit conducts IEO (ICO) once or so every month. Currently Yobit intimates users about these through email. But to increase the success of these ICOs, YoBit needs higher community participation. Due to bad reputation on Bitcointalk, it is hard for YoBit to announce IEOs on Bitcointalk. Hence they developed Cryptotalk as an asset to increase participation in coin funding and to catalyst their pump/dump operations.

Spammers are usually short of money and therefore they can't invest in Yobit ICO. If there are no decent people on their forum, there is no way they can gain investors from their own forum.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 01, 2019, 06:11:47 AM

Quote from: nutildah on November 01, 2019, 02:15:29 AM

I wonder what their end goal is... somehow converting those users (or readers, if there are any) to yobit users?

Yeah, I can't figure that out either.

May be I am completely wrong but this is what I assume the main reason behind the astonishing campaigning from Yobit merely for a forum: Yobit conducts IEO (ICO) once or so every month. Currently Yobit intimates users about these through email. But to increase the success of these ICOs, YoBit needs higher community participation. Due to bad reputation on Bitcointalk, it is hard for YoBit to announce IEOs on Bitcointalk. Hence they developed Cryptotalk as an asset to increase participation in coin funding and to catalyst their pump/dump operations.

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Just read through this topic, and wow I was really expecting more data on actual manipulation. So it is in fact non existent?

Since the topic here shifted to why they are doing what they are, I am going to give my opinion about this.
It's a fucking trolling contest.
Both campaigns, the one managed here by yahoo, and their local campaign are just 2 middlefingers raised in bitcointalk's face.

This is some kind of twisted revenge for bitcointalk's banning of the YoBit campaign.

They used the freedom of speech rule here on the forum to bypass the bann against YoShit signatures, and to make a point. "We can attract a lot of posters/spammers/traffic to our own forum".

I don't believe their forum will ultimatively become a serious contender in the crypto world, it's just a way of fucking with our local community.

I wish them good luck tho, because it doesn't seem like this will make any difference, for them, or for us down here. They just got a few BTC's lighter

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Quote from: actmyname on November 01, 2019, 10:22:19 AM

At 3902 posts, I couldn't beat them if I tried.

You could not beat him because you are a human and he is a Robot Cheesy

Quote from: LoyceV on November 01, 2019, 10:44:48 AM

Didn't your little spam test put you close to 60 posts in an hour?

You can practically write 30 posts max in one hour because after every post they have implemented a wait time for 2 minutes to avoid burst posting. Cheesy

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on October 31, 2019, 01:54:18 PM

Finally the spammers contest is over and cryptokram winning this by making 3902 posts in around a months time.

That forum is a heaven for the spammers.

The greatest things i see from the winner is their signature :

Quote

~~~~~~~~~~ HAPPY POSTING GUYS ~~~~~~~~~~
Dont Spam,Plagiarize or Cheat the Forum and its Contest
Smile 😁 , Life is not that long!

He makes a post with only 5 mins interval time, well since the moderator from cryptotalk also from the spammer. Not really surprise the winner also from the spammer user, honestly cryptotalk like ICOForum 2.0 went they stopped the contest / paid post the user will leave from the forum and they really wasting the budget like ICOForum who paid every user 1 ETH for 100 posts.

You can visit

Code:

icoforum.net

Already no activity there.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 01, 2019, 10:44:48 AM

Quote from: actmyname on November 01, 2019, 10:22:19 AM

At 3902 posts, I couldn't beat them if I tried. There wouldn't be enough topics for me to post bland trash -- I could probably average a quaint 20 to 30 posts/hr forcing me to dedicate a little over 8 days worth of posting (at most).

Didn't your little spam test put you close to 60 posts in an hour? That means you can do it in just 80 hours, which is just 2 working weeks, or part-time working only in the afternoon or evening. I think most people call that a good month for $9,000.

The best thing is: your posts would probably still be better than their current average Tongue

I would not be able to maintain it over 80 hours. My peak WPM might be in the 140s but I can only really average 110-120 over longer periods of time. I imagine the post quality will nosedive when it comes to day 3 because I'll have already repeated the same things over and over again for the umpteenth time.

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Quote from: actmyname on November 01, 2019, 10:22:19 AM

At 3902 posts, I couldn't beat them if I tried. There wouldn't be enough topics for me to post bland trash -- I could probably average a quaint 20 to 30 posts/hr forcing me to dedicate a little over 8 days worth of posting (at most).

Didn't your little spam test put you close to 60 posts in an hour? That means you can do it in just 80 hours, which is just 2 working weeks, or part-time working only in the afternoon or evening. I think most people call that a good month for $9,000.

The best thing is: your posts would probably still be better than their current average Tongue

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At 3902 posts, I couldn't beat them if I tried. There wouldn't be enough topics for me to post bland trash -- I could probably average a quaint 20 to 30 posts/hr forcing me to dedicate a little over 8 days worth of posting (at most).

That's 26.2% of the month: nobody would be able to do that without going absolutely mad.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 01, 2019, 07:54:14 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 01, 2019, 06:11:47 AM

At some point they need to turn a profit, right? But what profit can they expect from their user base?

I can only think of website rankings: according to worthofweb.com, their value more than doubled in less than a month. I don't think it's working much though, it's now worth 5 times more than worthofweb.com/loyce.club, while I didn't even try Tongue

Comparing it with bitcointalk, https://www.worthofweb.com/website-value/bitcointalk.org/, cryptotalk is 10 times less worth than bitcointalk.

Bitcointalk:

Cryptotalk:

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 01, 2019, 07:54:14 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 01, 2019, 06:11:47 AM

At some point they need to turn a profit, right? But what profit can they expect from their user base?

I can only think of website rankings: according to worthofweb.com, their value more than doubled in less than a month. I don't think it's working much though, it's now worth 5 times more than worthofweb.com/loyce.club, while I didn't even try Tongue

This promotion is not just for crypto talk. The singature bounties from here as well the paybypost bounty in crypto talk forum goes into the wallet of yobit.net exchange. i.e. anyone participating in these bounties need to have a yobit.net account.

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