Topic: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action - page 101. (Read 1007033 times)
December 31, 2016, 06:27:40 AM
has mullick stopped answering questions...?
December 30, 2016, 07:15:27 PM
I'm confused as to what you are saying..... I see you saved your information on accounts, which is good, because if you hadn't, there wouldn't be record elsewhere. Like, you could see it on chain, but there would be no way to know that is actually your deposits. Forward that information to the receiver. If you have proof of deposits you should be able to get in class action I assume. I genuinely hope it works out for you.
December 30, 2016, 03:14:01 PM
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You were a great accomplice to vern, you know that all our transactions they are on blockchain, I had 30-40 coins to cryptsy!!!
I have no idea what coins are where on the blockchain. And then for someone to know your coins, from 300 000 other people on the blockchain, is insane.
I agree, it sucks if you had 30-40 coins on there, and that being said, not all coins were recovered, only a % of some were, and you can find that in receiver reports.
I wish you the best in recovering what you can, your best bet at this time is to reach out to the receivers and silver.
It is impossible not to find all our coins have been "Verified", I gave my personal information, so it's all logged and tracked.
Paul wiped servers according to the receiver. Your information is no longer there. No ones is. Any ID or information you had there were deleted as far as I know.
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There is no way out Horus! Indeed Paul Vernon!!!
What seems strange is that you're trying to do even clever, Horus!
December 30, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
You all better fucking take note who got these two guys talking.. 
Even if they wanted to deny it they can't.
I said hey where is he ? (again) ..wish he'd talk then BAM.. guess who shows up ?
I just want to say two things.. well three LOL
1) Hiding in silence makes you look worse.
2) A bunch of these Cryptsy guys really do need to show their face here ..JSHock or DCGirl etc.
3rd ? I do not plan on terrorizing any of these guys.
If they want to speak up for what ever reason then i will try and not be a jerk about it.
I can't say the same about others though.
At the end of the day it would be nice if the ex-employees answered peoples questions.
I am not going to get much out of flogging them endlessly over past drama.
Especially if the pages here can be filled with something more interesting to talk about.
Such as helping the users who are out of money !
Even if they wanted to deny it they can't.
I said hey where is he ? (again) ..wish he'd talk then BAM.. guess who shows up ?
I just want to say two things.. well three LOL
1) Hiding in silence makes you look worse.
2) A bunch of these Cryptsy guys really do need to show their face here ..JSHock or DCGirl etc.
3rd ? I do not plan on terrorizing any of these guys.
If they want to speak up for what ever reason then i will try and not be a jerk about it.
I can't say the same about others though.
At the end of the day it would be nice if the ex-employees answered peoples questions.
I am not going to get much out of flogging them endlessly over past drama.
Especially if the pages here can be filled with something more interesting to talk about.
Such as helping the users who are out of money !
December 29, 2016, 08:38:45 PM
there's probably already a sealed indictment with pauls name on it - i doubt he can return to america without risking arrest at this point
Is the indictment sealed by the same person who told Sonny Vleisides of BFL that if he fucks up one more time he's serving person time, so Sonny fucked up even bigger time, yet he remained outta jail. Hell, I even have one doc in my hands proving beyond doubt that Sonny fucked over the IRS, yet, again, motherfuckin' crickets. Scam millions and have your wrist slapped, but openly trade bitcoins and they'll scare the living shit outta your 9-year-old daughter as they arrest your scammy ass on trumped-up charges, later dropping them all after you nearly go broke defending your innocence. Not to mention Josh Zerlan's BTC-house fully paid for with some bitcoins directly and indirectly stemming from the infamous bitcoin wallet address that the FTC confiscated then returned to BFL thanks to their infamous wisdom. And, the general consensus is that the Jewish Freemason Joshua Zipkin is back in the States after once leaving the US to his Bulgarian homeland to run from the law due to his millions of dollars embezzlement in the cryptocurrency space à la AMT, perhaps carrying a sealed indictment in his back pocket as a let-me-back-in-the-US-free card.
December 29, 2016, 06:42:42 PM
there's probably already a sealed indictment with pauls name on it - i doubt he can return to america without risking arrest at this point
December 29, 2016, 04:53:33 PM
I'll answer any questions you have as long as they wont interfere with any open investigation into Paul Vernon
shit just got interesting....
December 29, 2016, 01:21:06 PM
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Yes, myself and the network admin Logan were alerted of a breach. We were informed Paul had contacted the authorities.
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Personally, I find it hard to believe that the FBI would inform Paul to merely fill out a form on a website after being informed that a hacker, possibly a terrorist, hacked over ten million dollars of virtually untraceable moneys during the height of the ISIS era.
I think that the FBI et al. should go to JShock's (Jim Shockney) Texas ranch and stick microscopes up Jenny's horse's asses to make sure no crypto is hidden there, afterward sticking the same microscopes up Jenny's ass to make sure that they didn't miss any horses.
Why the fuck Jim hasn't been terrorized like Burt Wagner's daughter was, along with Burt and his wife because Burt openly traded bitcoins (http://www.jmwagner.com/), is fuckin' beyond me.
December 29, 2016, 01:05:29 PM
I'll answer any questions you have as long as they wont interfere with any open investigation into Paul Vernon
Thank you, Mullick, hoping that you'll keep to your word. I'll try to stay civil in my replies as they pertain to commenting on your posts (think: sugar/vinegar).
That said, YOU MOTHERF...
Seriously, onto reading the subsequent posts after your arrival.
EDIT:
Glad to see you speak up Mullick.
Interesting info..
I don't intend on trying to harras you or anything.
Interesting info..
I don't intend on trying to harras you or anything.
That's two, with perhaps Horus making three. At this rate, Mullick, theymos will be entrusting you with private keys to this forum and its wallets within weeks.
December 29, 2016, 12:47:35 PM
what level of wallet access did you have on the exchange and could you have seen that the values of cold wallets didnt add up with all the support ticket queries?
All hot wallets except NXT. Some cold wallets. Anything of substantial value (btc, ltc, dash, doge etc.) I did not have access to the cold wallets. Some coins I could dig in and find the cold wallet balance by basic blockchain tracing. If it was active with coins going in and out of cold storage often then I could not.
there was mention of paul vernon being alerted of a hack in 2014. i believe at the time from pauls blog or an interview that it was a cryptsy employee and im running rough here but i thought there was mention of either mullick or jshock. if this is the case and it was you why was there no report done to authorities to limit loss.
Yes, myself and the network admin Logan were alerted of a breach. We were informed Paul had contacted the authorities.
as a wallet guy surely you saw many bitcoin leaving to coinbase. why was there no kyc on paul sending it and checks for audit when customers were subjected to worse especially when customers were told regular filings were made. if filings were done wouldnt authorities realise payl was doing huge withdrawals that didnt match revenue?
I did not have access to the database and did not monitor transactions. My job as far as wallets were simply to ensure the servers were secure and the wallets online. The only times I was concerned with a wallet balance was when it was empty ( contact paul to fill) and when it had too much value in it (send coins to the cold wallet deposit address Paul provided). Paul monitored wallet balances, transactions and making sure we had as much of each currency as customers had on deposit. As far as any reporting done on Paul there would not have been any evidence on the website. Paul was the only one monitoring for withdrawals not initiated on the website. He could go directly to the wallet and move funds without anybody but him knowing.
But there were no cold wallets... That would imply they could not be hacked and yet they were...
December 29, 2016, 12:40:34 PM
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You were a great accomplice to vern, you know that all our transactions they are on blockchain, I had 30-40 coins to cryptsy!!!
I have no idea what coins are where on the blockchain. And then for someone to know your coins, from 300 000 other people on the blockchain, is insane.
I agree, it sucks if you had 30-40 coins on there, and that being said, not all coins were recovered, only a % of some were, and you can find that in receiver reports.
I wish you the best in recovering what you can, your best bet at this time is to reach out to the receivers and silver.
It is impossible not to find all our coins have been "Verified", I gave my personal information, so it's all logged and tracked.
Paul wiped servers according to the receiver. Your information is no longer there. No ones is. Any ID or information you had there were deleted as far as I know.
Well... as far as anyone who worked at cryptsy knew... eveything was fine. Sooooo... take that however you want.
In the meanwhile, I would make sure you watch your credit report if you gave them your info. It is undeniable that this was not just Paul ripping off some cash... so anyone who worked there could have stolen your ID and sold it by now.
Sorry, I dont trust anyone that worked for Paul... Never would again. Until someone forces Paul to come back to the US and face the charges... once that happens he will turn on anyone involved to save his ass...
December 29, 2016, 10:29:30 AM
@mullick
so if there was a breach and you were all contacted then why did you all commit to ensuring customers were told in chat there has never been a hack as you knew this was a lie? there was threats of lawyers etc on it particularly at coinfire...
if paul reported to authorities why did you not contact them after there was never a notice on the site about hacked funds as other businesses and sites do. many exchanges announce. 1.5 years later you never checked up on this and alerted. why the lie knowing it was dishonest and highly likely to be illegal?
also after knowing about the hack then seeing withdrawal problems escalating why not come out or put it together and act with authorities before being forced to?
so if there was a breach and you were all contacted then why did you all commit to ensuring customers were told in chat there has never been a hack as you knew this was a lie? there was threats of lawyers etc on it particularly at coinfire...
if paul reported to authorities why did you not contact them after there was never a notice on the site about hacked funds as other businesses and sites do. many exchanges announce. 1.5 years later you never checked up on this and alerted. why the lie knowing it was dishonest and highly likely to be illegal?
also after knowing about the hack then seeing withdrawal problems escalating why not come out or put it together and act with authorities before being forced to?
December 29, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
Glad to see you speak up Mullick.
Interesting info..
I don't intend on trying to harras you or anything.
Interesting info..
I don't intend on trying to harras you or anything.
December 29, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
Was Bill Gates to say that the future of Btc and cryptocurrency depends on us...but how? leaving in freedom scammers like vernon?
December 29, 2016, 07:56:16 AM
We,people naive who have spent the money, we lost time, we have contributed to the support of BTC, we have been cheated!
I hope that there is a minimum of conscience, and the american justice will return our money!!!
For the rest, they are all talk.
I hope that there is a minimum of conscience, and the american justice will return our money!!!
For the rest, they are all talk.
December 29, 2016, 06:11:33 AM
what level of wallet access did you have on the exchange and could you have seen that the values of cold wallets didnt add up with all the support ticket queries?
All hot wallets except NXT. Some cold wallets. Anything of substantial value (btc, ltc, dash, doge etc.) I did not have access to the cold wallets. Some coins I could dig in and find the cold wallet balance by basic blockchain tracing. If it was active with coins going in and out of cold storage often then I could not.
there was mention of paul vernon being alerted of a hack in 2014. i believe at the time from pauls blog or an interview that it was a cryptsy employee and im running rough here but i thought there was mention of either mullick or jshock. if this is the case and it was you why was there no report done to authorities to limit loss.
Yes, myself and the network admin Logan were alerted of a breach. We were informed Paul had contacted the authorities.
as a wallet guy surely you saw many bitcoin leaving to coinbase. why was there no kyc on paul sending it and checks for audit when customers were subjected to worse especially when customers were told regular filings were made. if filings were done wouldnt authorities realise payl was doing huge withdrawals that didnt match revenue?
I did not have access to the database and did not monitor transactions. My job as far as wallets were simply to ensure the servers were secure and the wallets online. The only times I was concerned with a wallet balance was when it was empty ( contact paul to fill) and when it had too much value in it (send coins to the cold wallet deposit address Paul provided). Paul monitored wallet balances, transactions and making sure we had as much of each currency as customers had on deposit. As far as any reporting done on Paul there would not have been any evidence on the website. Paul was the only one monitoring for withdrawals not initiated on the website. He could go directly to the wallet and move funds without anybody but him knowing.
December 29, 2016, 05:21:41 AM
From the old days i was always told on chat it was far more Mullick being Paul's go to guy for wallet stuff.
And you will notice he went into hiding around the same time a year earlier.
I have posted a few times how it was strange how Mullick's last comment was on this topic replying to me.
Then we never seen him on this forum ever again..
And what was he responding to ?
I asked why a new account here was created to get mouthy with me.
Using the first and last name i signed up at Cryptsy with in July 2013
..and never used again in all of Crypto.
He replied back.. why Spoetnik it's a mystery i have no idea
..must have been some kind of coincidence or something LOL
Which would have been acessable to a variety of those guys.. even Horus !
Which you can all see on that picture i added previously of the Cryptsy admin page.
(it shows the account name info etc)
You know people Horus is not the real target here.
It's Mullick and JSHock and others..
I say that based on being there 2 months after they started and watching who did what.
Horus is guilty of towing the company line etc.
But i think we all agree he probably had little to do with any type of theft activity.
I also find it unlikely he would have made efforts to cover it up....
Aside, from putting on a brave face publicly defending his employer.
Which he has essentially admitted guilt to that so i have no intention of harping on him needlessly.
The deafening silence from the others is what we should all take notice of.
There is a LONG list of Cryptsy staff that HAVE commented on this topic.
..but stopped and vanished long ago.
WHY ?
And you will notice he went into hiding around the same time a year earlier.
I have posted a few times how it was strange how Mullick's last comment was on this topic replying to me.
Then we never seen him on this forum ever again..
And what was he responding to ?
I asked why a new account here was created to get mouthy with me.
Using the first and last name i signed up at Cryptsy with in July 2013
..and never used again in all of Crypto.
He replied back.. why Spoetnik it's a mystery i have no idea
..must have been some kind of coincidence or something LOL
Which would have been acessable to a variety of those guys.. even Horus !
Which you can all see on that picture i added previously of the Cryptsy admin page.
(it shows the account name info etc)
You know people Horus is not the real target here.
It's Mullick and JSHock and others..
I say that based on being there 2 months after they started and watching who did what.
Horus is guilty of towing the company line etc.
But i think we all agree he probably had little to do with any type of theft activity.
I also find it unlikely he would have made efforts to cover it up....
Aside, from putting on a brave face publicly defending his employer.
Which he has essentially admitted guilt to that so i have no intention of harping on him needlessly.
The deafening silence from the others is what we should all take notice of.
There is a LONG list of Cryptsy staff that HAVE commented on this topic.
..but stopped and vanished long ago.
WHY ?
December 29, 2016, 04:26:53 AM
what level of wallet access did you have on the exchange and could you have seen that the values of cold wallets didnt add up with all the support ticket queries?
there was mention of paul vernon being alerted of a hack in 2014. i believe at the time from pauls blog or an interview that it was a cryptsy employee and im running rough here but i thought there was mention of either mullick or jshock. if this is the case and it was you why was there no report done to authorities to limit loss.
as a wallet guy surely you saw many bitcoin leaving to coinbase. why was there no kyc on paul sending it and checks for audit when customers were subjected to worse especially when customers were told regular filings were made. if filings were done wouldnt authorities realise payl was doing huge withdrawals that didnt match revenue?
there was mention of paul vernon being alerted of a hack in 2014. i believe at the time from pauls blog or an interview that it was a cryptsy employee and im running rough here but i thought there was mention of either mullick or jshock. if this is the case and it was you why was there no report done to authorities to limit loss.
as a wallet guy surely you saw many bitcoin leaving to coinbase. why was there no kyc on paul sending it and checks for audit when customers were subjected to worse especially when customers were told regular filings were made. if filings were done wouldnt authorities realise payl was doing huge withdrawals that didnt match revenue?
December 29, 2016, 04:13:45 AM
Lori will probably claim she had 1 million on Cryptsy with proof of a picture of a cat then go and buy back that Mansion
Oh and my point earlier was to remind the guys of all the stuff we witnessed on chat.
The staff there had remarkable access to all kinds of things.
That picture is from Horus when he posted it here.
It's the Cryptsy Admin Page he had access to..
They may not have had the ability to move money around from Vern's storage accounts but i find it hard to believe they couldn't do just about everything else.
Which.. means it's pretty damn hard to play dumb all this time.
Don't forget guys people like JSHock seen these problems persist for ages as he fed excuses..
He tried them all ..even blaming Spoetnik & Gleb's "FUD" for the withdrawal problems.
Which yeah could be a legit retort.. sort of.
A couple of us running around saying the sky is falling *could* -contribute- to the issues at the time but it was definitely not the cause.
We know this because the problems were ongoing and severe before anyone had a chance to hear any "FUD".
I don't want to single out Horus on this but yeah he may be guilty of playing dumb.
I think maybe in a way he's sort of admitted that.
NONE of the others ever have in the slightest.
Horus even threatened to quit on his employer.. did any others ?
JSHock told me before he was in charge 2nd to no one but BigVern.
So... Horus had no choice but to follow that guys lead.
And JShock spewed lies & bullshit every step of the way while MULLICK was laying low.
..the "wallet guy"
Not much point in beating a deadhorse Horus.
Especially when the others have failed to come forward and be accountable.
And all of them had already commented on this topic ..they are aware it's here.
Who has ?
- Horus
- BigVern
- JSHock
- DCgirl
- Mullick
- BitJohn
Only one we seen show their face and own up to any of this is Horus.
Horus offered to answer any questions i might have.
Which i appreciate because it is a pain in the ass being nagged about shit forever.
I can't think of anything worth asking.. can you all think of something reasonable ?
Maybe post it here.
A lot of these guys have some explaining to do.. and their silence is damning.
So hey DCGirl since you have Paul's phone number in China why not call him up for us and ask him when he plans on coming back to the USA and then let us know which airport and when
..or is she already living in China too ?
Oh and my point earlier was to remind the guys of all the stuff we witnessed on chat.
The staff there had remarkable access to all kinds of things.
That picture is from Horus when he posted it here.
It's the Cryptsy Admin Page he had access to..
They may not have had the ability to move money around from Vern's storage accounts but i find it hard to believe they couldn't do just about everything else.
Which.. means it's pretty damn hard to play dumb all this time.
Don't forget guys people like JSHock seen these problems persist for ages as he fed excuses..
He tried them all ..even blaming Spoetnik & Gleb's "FUD" for the withdrawal problems.
Which yeah could be a legit retort.. sort of.
A couple of us running around saying the sky is falling *could* -contribute- to the issues at the time but it was definitely not the cause.
We know this because the problems were ongoing and severe before anyone had a chance to hear any "FUD".
I don't want to single out Horus on this but yeah he may be guilty of playing dumb.
I think maybe in a way he's sort of admitted that.
NONE of the others ever have in the slightest.
Horus even threatened to quit on his employer.. did any others ?
JSHock told me before he was in charge 2nd to no one but BigVern.
So... Horus had no choice but to follow that guys lead.
And JShock spewed lies & bullshit every step of the way while MULLICK was laying low.
..the "wallet guy"
Not much point in beating a dead
Especially when the others have failed to come forward and be accountable.
And all of them had already commented on this topic ..they are aware it's here.
Who has ?
- Horus
- BigVern
- JSHock
- DCgirl
- Mullick
- BitJohn
Only one we seen show their face and own up to any of this is Horus.
Horus offered to answer any questions i might have.
Which i appreciate because it is a pain in the ass being nagged about shit forever.
I can't think of anything worth asking.. can you all think of something reasonable ?
Maybe post it here.
A lot of these guys have some explaining to do.. and their silence is damning.
So hey DCGirl since you have Paul's phone number in China why not call him up for us and ask him when he plans on coming back to the USA and then let us know which airport and when
..or is she already living in China too ?
I'll answer any questions you have as long as they wont interfere with any open investigation into Paul Vernon
December 28, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
Well, I feel if someone had wallet access, and saw funds weren't there, they should be liable, yes. If with nothing else, at least for failure to report.
That being said, Coinbase isn't being sued because they saw funds weren't there. They are being sued because they had faulty KYC/AML, knowing Vernon had scammed people, and still allowing him to liquidate. They turned a blind eye to it. That's what the suit claims.
To be fair, if Coinbase did their job properly, they would have locked accounts, or not allowed it, meaning a good chunk of funds would still be there, or at the least, reported earlier, giving feds an opportunity to seize computers or servers early, maybe saving information. Who knows though, it is a what if scenario. Maybe if it was reported, feds still wouldn't have done anything in time, maybe they would have.
I agree, it doesn't directly catch or even help catch Vernon, but it does help make investors whole.
It isn't ideal by any means, but at this point, I do not believe any prosecution will reach Vernon unless he comes back to states, but at least it helps some people get money back.
Maybe if we're lucky, china will look into bitebi9 and get him with something there.
That being said, Coinbase isn't being sued because they saw funds weren't there. They are being sued because they had faulty KYC/AML, knowing Vernon had scammed people, and still allowing him to liquidate. They turned a blind eye to it. That's what the suit claims.
To be fair, if Coinbase did their job properly, they would have locked accounts, or not allowed it, meaning a good chunk of funds would still be there, or at the least, reported earlier, giving feds an opportunity to seize computers or servers early, maybe saving information. Who knows though, it is a what if scenario. Maybe if it was reported, feds still wouldn't have done anything in time, maybe they would have.
I agree, it doesn't directly catch or even help catch Vernon, but it does help make investors whole.
It isn't ideal by any means, but at this point, I do not believe any prosecution will reach Vernon unless he comes back to states, but at least it helps some people get money back.
Maybe if we're lucky, china will look into bitebi9 and get him with something there.
If the hacker isn't Vern or Cryptsy insider - most likely a rogue federal agent - like Shawn Bridges
Good point! That explains why Paul Vernon erased the servers and ran to hide in China with his new Chinese piece of ass leaving behind his Chinese ex-wife and two kids - ROGUE FEDERAL AGENTS.
Back to Lori Nettles, a gal well-versed in intelligence serving in the US Army in said capacity, she was able to plea ignorance in Paul Vernon's personal and business affairs, thus rewarded a million-dollar-plus house. If Lori was any more ignorant, she could've won the entire state of Florida.
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