but I understand me when I speak?
I do not say VAT
I'm talking of duty.
You must pay the tax.
Topic: Customs! How much did they ripped off your miner at your country? (Read 3236 times)
January 08, 2016, 05:33:03 AM
There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so.
If I would import mining hardware parts from China to Finland with 1000 euros I would pay 24% VAT in Finland, so 240 euros. If I then later would assembly complete miner from those parts and sell it with 1100 euros, I would need to calculate 24% VAt from it, which is 264 euros. Retail price would be 1100 + 24% VAT 264 euros = 1364 euros.
But now comes important part: I can subtract already paid 240 from that 264, so actually I would pay more VAT only 24 euros. So we don't pay VAT more than once, because every company can subract from selling VAT that VAT, what they already have paid themselves.
VAT is Value Added Tax. Because by assembling complete miner from parts I added value 100 euros, 24% is actually calculated from that 100 euros, i.e. 24 euros.
VAT is better system than sales tax systems which is used in many countries outside EU. In sales tax you can't subract taxes you have already paid yourself and that leads to the multiplying of tax in each step.
So what will you recommend for all those who live in the contries with VAT taxation system? Order parts and then assemble it yourself? But how did you calculated completed miner price, i mean paperwork? Is there any way to change it how do you think?
There's no way to trickt the system legally. I just meant, that you don't pay VAT again, if you sell it, bacause you subtract VAt that you have paid earlier. But you still pay VAT once.
January 08, 2016, 02:11:15 AM
USA - small sample size (one order of S5s) but nothing taken by customs.
January 07, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
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How much did they ripped off your miner at your country?
Zero. Actually I'm ripping them off =D January 07, 2016, 08:13:57 AM
I finished speaking with an operator, and told me that they are subject to pay customs duty because bitmain said code taric dutiable
8543709099
I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/code-taric-declared-by-bitmain-1318137
8543709099
I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/code-taric-declared-by-bitmain-1318137
code 8543709099
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8543709099&LangDescr=en
code 8471410090
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8471410090&LangDescr=en
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8471410090&LangDescr=en
January 07, 2016, 08:05:22 AM
I finished speaking with an operator, and told me that they are subject to pay customs duty because bitmain said code taric dutiable
8543709099
I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/code-taric-declared-by-bitmain-1318137
8543709099
I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/code-taric-declared-by-bitmain-1318137
code 8543709099
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8543709099&LangDescr=en
code 8471410090
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8471410090&LangDescr=en
January 07, 2016, 06:07:28 AM
I finished speaking with an operator, and told me that they are subject to pay customs duty because bitmain said code taric dutiable
8543709099
I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/code-taric-declared-by-bitmain-1318137
8543709099
I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/code-taric-declared-by-bitmain-1318137
January 07, 2016, 05:30:18 AM
I'm waiting for an operator is free to chat with me
January 07, 2016, 05:13:51 AM
I know, in fact I want to call the customs code to make me say that they put
January 07, 2016, 04:33:54 AM
Good morning,
with a shipment number with AWB, the amount of duties to be paid to the carrier 'of €
AWB 6497-9214-7502 IPFS N Y / N Stn CT
--description ------------ Amt Euro
Administrative rights 12.50
duty 129.65
VAT 810.07
Revenue stamp 2.00
TOTAL AMOUNT -> 954.22
This amount may 'be paid on delivery
with a shipment number with AWB, the amount of duties to be paid to the carrier 'of €
AWB 6497-9214-7502 IPFS N Y / N Stn CT
--description ------------ Amt Euro
Administrative rights 12.50
duty 129.65
VAT 810.07
Revenue stamp 2.00
TOTAL AMOUNT -> 954.22
This amount may 'be paid on delivery
You chosed a cheaper carrier- FEDEX- But still you pay more, than with others. UPS or DHL.
If you broker have declared with the correct code, it would not be necessary to pay 3.7% duty 129.65 Not even in Italy .
January 07, 2016, 01:53:39 AM
Good morning,
with a shipment number with AWB, the amount of duties to be paid to the carrier 'of €
AWB 6497-9214-7502 IPFS N Y / N Stn CT
--description ------------ Amt Euro
Administrative rights 12.50
duty 129.65
VAT 810.07
Revenue stamp 2.00
TOTAL AMOUNT -> 954.22
This amount may 'be paid on delivery
with a shipment number with AWB, the amount of duties to be paid to the carrier 'of €
AWB 6497-9214-7502 IPFS N Y / N Stn CT
--description ------------ Amt Euro
Administrative rights 12.50
duty 129.65
VAT 810.07
Revenue stamp 2.00
TOTAL AMOUNT -> 954.22
This amount may 'be paid on delivery
January 07, 2016, 01:30:37 AM
Maybe not assemble it per se, but the miner I have has a base CPU board and I think ten boards in that board. You could have them send a board in an envelope. The biggest parts are the fan and the power supply, but you can get those anywhere cheap. All you would be doing is plugging the parallel boards into the main board and attaching the fan/fans and power supply, plus dealing with a chassis. It would be less than an hour work and anyone can do it. While this is not ideal, you just paid yourself $40 an hour to build it.
January 07, 2016, 01:24:49 AM
There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so.
If I would import mining hardware parts from China to Finland with 1000 euros I would pay 24% VAT in Finland, so 240 euros. If I then later would assembly complete miner from those parts and sell it with 1100 euros, I would need to calculate 24% VAt from it, which is 264 euros. Retail price would be 1100 + 24% VAT 264 euros = 1364 euros.
But now comes important part: I can subtract already paid 240 from that 264, so actually I would pay more VAT only 24 euros. So we don't pay VAT more than once, because every company can subract from selling VAT that VAT, what they already have paid themselves.
VAT is Value Added Tax. Because by assembling complete miner from parts I added value 100 euros, 24% is actually calculated from that 100 euros, i.e. 24 euros.
VAT is better system than sales tax systems which is used in many countries outside EU. In sales tax you can't subract taxes you have already paid yourself and that leads to the multiplying of tax in each step.
So what will you recommend for all those who live in the contries with VAT taxation system? Order parts and then assemble it yourself? But how did you calculated completed miner price, i mean paperwork? Is there any way to change it how do you think?
January 07, 2016, 01:20:45 AM
13% HST in Toronto + $15.00 CAD brokerage fee 
cheap
cheapYep agree
- what miner do you have? Will you recommend to use brokerage in Canada or do it all yourself? January 07, 2016, 01:20:17 AM
Is this an issue? Technically it is a computer, is there a high import tax on computers?
January 07, 2016, 01:18:25 AM
I paid ~USD160 (duties + facilitation fees) on the S7 B7 imported to Swiss.
Thanks, but please, in percentage. How much did you paid for your Antminer - 1800 in USD equivalent? If so you now mostly champion with the lowest fees to the gov)) - less than 10%?
January 06, 2016, 07:46:20 PM
13% HST in Toronto + $15.00 CAD brokerage fee cheap
cheap 
January 06, 2016, 03:34:11 PM
I paid ~USD160 (duties + facilitation fees) on the S7 B7 imported to Swiss.
January 06, 2016, 11:52:00 AM
There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so.
If I would import mining hardware parts from China to Finland with 1000 euros I would pay 24% VAT in Finland, so 240 euros. If I then later would assembly complete miner from those parts and sell it with 1100 euros, I would need to calculate 24% VAt from it, which is 264 euros. Retail price would be 1100 + 24% VAT 264 euros = 1364 euros.
But now comes important part: I can subtract already paid 240 from that 264, so actually I would pay more VAT only 24 euros. So we don't pay VAT more than once, because every company can subract from selling VAT that VAT, what they already have paid themselves.
VAT is Value Added Tax. Because by assembling complete miner from parts I added value 100 euros, 24% is actually calculated from that 100 euros, i.e. 24 euros.
VAT is better system than sales tax systems which is used in many countries outside EU. In sales tax you can't subract taxes you have already paid yourself and that leads to the multiplying of tax in each step.
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