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It's sad for young people who always want to invest in bitcoin but always want to use their parents' or other people's money to invest without trying for themselves. You don't have to teach your dad what to do with his money, he's the one who gave birth to you, and can raise you, so he knows what he needs to do. Investing in bitcoin is an extremely risky investment, and do you think older people can withstand that pressure?
They want to take risk but not with their own money and belongings, and worst is they will risk those funds who were owned by seniors who are not even capable to manage their emotions especially when it comes to losing their hard-earned retirement funds. Though we all know bitcoin investment has its own way to make us future millionaires, but know that it’s not gonna happen instantly. You need to lose first some significant amount before you can reap what you have been working hard for.
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All I can say to the OP is; If you lose your father's retirement money investing in bitcoin can you get back the money you lost? If the answer to this question is not clear, don't do it. Congratulations to your father on 25 years of service to the Army. You state that the costs of building a house in your country are high, so you are facing high inflation. In the country where i live, house costs are very high and even if you have the savings to build or buy a house it has become almost impossible.

Unless your father is in urgent need of retirement money, the advice i can give you is to buy and sell cars with some of the money. One area where you can make a profit without much risk is the buying and selling of used cars. Inflation is effective all over the world and the price of almost everything is increasing day by day. If you can't afford to build this house in such an environment you can buy and sell cars that turn into a risk free investment tool.
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IMO it's a great idea. People who don't take any risks in life don't gain anything. Maybe you'll regret it, there's a small chance bitcoin will not succeed, but would you want to miss the opportunity and later regret not spending your allowance on bitcoin? If iI knew I could make a million by investing 1k in bitcoin early on, or lose that 1k, I'd take that chance without thinking too much and I believe most of us would.
Taking risk is something you have to deal with if you wish to achieve something big in the future, but taking uncalculated risk will only put you into a losing end and all your money and efforts may only go into waste. So never take risk beyond your control, in which investing half of your father’s retirement funds into bitcoin sounds too risky no matter where angle you’ll see it. You could lose them all instantly and will leave your father regretting losing all those hard-earned funds.
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He has just to be careful when storing the coins in order to prevent future issues with hackers and scams.
But before that, he needs to inform his father that investing in bitcoin is not that what he's thinking as if no downfalls will come while waiting for the right time to sell.
Indeed. It has to be a conscious decision. The father has to be aware about every pros and cons of Bitcoin investment. He must understand the fact this market is heavily volatile, therefore the investment can oscillate upside and down for undetermined periods of time, until finally having profit. He has to understand BTC must be stored in self-custody wallets to let him (or his son) under total control of his own funds during all the length the investment is going on. He has to make sure he isn't going to need this retirement money soon for another expenses, because once the money is invested in BTC, he will have to wait patiently for the next bullish season.
That's one thing that's setting me back when I see threads like this and after not reading that there's a consent from the person of their subject. If there's no permission, there's no need to force it.

I agree, I mean putting lets say 10% of your retirement fund on bitcoin and leaving that would be fine, the worst case scenario you will lose all of 10%, which we all know they won't but lets assume the worst. However, if you are going to end up putting all he has, then we are talking about something terrible.

Don't risk that much money for old people, bitcoin is slow in that regard, it may go up quick, but it take years for it to start going up quick, one day it will be 30k and next month it is 80k, but for that to happen we wait 2-3 years, that's why it is not a good idea. Don't put that much stress into people and you will end up with a lot of trouble, I personally would suggest doing something smarter and just get out right on the correct time if possible.
These people are delicate and sensitive people. Even if we say that they're the kindest, it's their money that they have worked for their entire life and they wouldn't just allow that to lose through volatility if they don't understand what they're getting in.

It's better to just let them do whatever they want whether it's another investment or some kind of recreational activity with that money.
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IMO it's a great idea. People who don't take any risks in life don't gain anything. Maybe you'll regret it, there's a small chance bitcoin will not succeed, but would you want to miss the opportunity and later regret not spending your allowance on bitcoin? If iI knew I could make a million by investing 1k in bitcoin early on, or lose that 1k, I'd take that chance without thinking too much and I believe most of us would.
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I feel like if I invest half the amount in Bitcoin for a year after receiving his retirement allowance, I might be able to hand over more money to my dad at the end of the year.  
Hope I get proper advice from you.

Or you may lose all your Dad's money in one year! Both possibilities are open. Now you and your dad need to decide whether to gamble with his hard-earned money. If I were you, I wouldn't have touched half of his money for sure! I would have probably used 5%-10% of that money to invest in Bitcoin.

The basis of investment is - never to keep all your eggs in one basket. So diversify. Invest in Bitcoin, invest in Gold, invest in tax saving instruments, invest in stocks that pays out good dividends. That's how you will create a parallel source of income for him. But don't invest half of his money into Bitcoin for God's sake. Don't gamble with retirement funds, ever. period.
Exactly. Bitcoin investment does not give fixed pattern when to make you profitable, and it might be even a loss in the end if you become impatient with its high volatility. So investing half of your dad’s retirement never sounds good. However, you can still pursue investing but with only a small amount. Besides, beginners should never settle with a huge amount of capital knowing they are not yet skilled and are less experienced when it comes to how the market works.
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It's sad for young people who always want to invest in bitcoin but always want to use their parents' or other people's money to invest without trying for themselves. You don't have to teach your dad what to do with his money, he's the one who gave birth to you, and can raise you, so he knows what he needs to do. Investing in bitcoin is an extremely risky investment, and do you think older people can withstand that pressure?
It would be that sad if the dad finally want to use the money after retire and finds out that the price of Bitcoin had fallen. There are some certain risks we are nit supposed to take especially when it comes to finance. For a person to work for the government or his/her boss for many years and coming back home as a retired father, noticing that the worth of his retirement fund had reduced without his knowledge. This can be heart breaking and it is not something we need to joke about.
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I would say first discuss it with your dad, let him be in the know since this is his money and he has worked hard for years for it. Even if he doesn't fully understand what btc and crypto represent, it is important he is aware of this plan of yours in case of unforeseen circumstances so it won't appear as a shock to him.

Again, I would suggest to invest (if you must) 20% - 30% and not half as you suggested. Crypto can be profitable as well as very risky, nobody knows what will happen from now till year end. Your family depends on this money so be very careful with the type of decision you make on behalf of your dad.
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It's sad for young people who always want to invest in bitcoin but always want to use their parents' or other people's money to invest without trying for themselves. You don't have to teach your dad what to do with his money, he's the one who gave birth to you, and can raise you, so he knows what he needs to do. Investing in bitcoin is an extremely risky investment, and do you think older people can withstand that pressure?
I think it depends on how knowledgeable a person is about the risks involved in investing and in this case Bitcoin, because if the question is about whether or not someone can withstand the risk of investing in Bitcoin, of course this will lead to the knowledge he has. not at the old age he already had.

But in this case, it's a bit unfortunate if there are young people who still can't make money for investments, so they still rely on their father's money for this, which basically they shouldn't need to use the money for in investments. Unless the two of them are really willing to bring their money into an investment whose choice is Bitcoin.
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You must be aware of those risks and approach investment decisions with a realistic perspective when it comes to investing in bitcoin. Remember that not only do people get profits from bitcoins, but there are also many people who lose money from them. So once you decide to invest in Bitcoin, you should only invest the amount that you can afford to lose without significant financial difficulty. And above all, it is important to thoroughly research and understand the risks involved in order to adapt to market volatility.
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,  but if this is the only money sitting around  better not make a huge investment!

People always feel confident or have no control when they see the many benefits that others get in investing. So they kind of lost their best minds and used huge funds. They don't think there's a big risk that could happen. Actually, investing does not require large costs. Start small, make it big. New people sometimes lack patience and act carelessly. But if they feel confident in their abilities, then starting an investment with large funds and good management is a little better.

They are blinded with some information that they can earn huge profit with investing on it, but they failed to realize that its so risky to do this knowing that bitcoin is so volatile and we may go up or worst down without us knowing so if market badly goes down for sure hus father might lose huge part of his money since for sure he will get affected on situation and might decide to dump for damage control.

Its really good to invest on bitcoin but this is good only for spare amount of money and not came from loan, retirement or even your last money on hand.

That's what is happening with most of the newbies, they just look at the profit other people get from investing and don't understand the risks they can take when investing in bitcoin. If bitcoin could be profitable easily and without any risk, we would all be able to borrow money to invest and become rich without calculating the risk. What OP is doing is actually quite risky, using retirement money to invest in bitcoin and what's worse, it's not his money. He won't understand what his father sacrificed to earn that money.

What is also I've noticed in today's generation is that they will decide immedialty without any calculation ,like if they saw someone who profited on it they will then say they can do it like immedialty they decide, also there are others that too eager to do it but when it is already ongoing they will quit as they haven't expected that they are losing. I hope OP listen to replies in this thread as there are chance that his father would agree on him , but again it is better to both of OP and his father talk to it and make calculated risk about the investment.

Op and his father need to consider the possibilities thoroughly before making a choice. They must always be aware of the risks and make sure they are prepared to handle market volatility. It would be preferable if they only invested the money they could afford to lose in Bitcoin if the retirement pension was too big.
They might be too overwhelmed for now but deciding on this should take time for them to know what to prioritize first. New investors nowadays think as if Bitcoin always provides rainbows and butterflies but it is actually a roller coaster ride where fear might exist often. If they will choose to invest in Bitcoin, they have to be firm with their decision but of course, they need to do their part on researching so they would completely know how Bitcoin investment really works.
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,  but if this is the only money sitting around  better not make a huge investment!

People always feel confident or have no control when they see the many benefits that others get in investing. So they kind of lost their best minds and used huge funds. They don't think there's a big risk that could happen. Actually, investing does not require large costs. Start small, make it big. New people sometimes lack patience and act carelessly. But if they feel confident in their abilities, then starting an investment with large funds and good management is a little better.

They are blinded with some information that they can earn huge profit with investing on it, but they failed to realize that its so risky to do this knowing that bitcoin is so volatile and we may go up or worst down without us knowing so if market badly goes down for sure hus father might lose huge part of his money since for sure he will get affected on situation and might decide to dump for damage control.

Its really good to invest on bitcoin but this is good only for spare amount of money and not came from loan, retirement or even your last money on hand.

That's what is happening with most of the newbies, they just look at the profit other people get from investing and don't understand the risks they can take when investing in bitcoin. If bitcoin could be profitable easily and without any risk, we would all be able to borrow money to invest and become rich without calculating the risk. What OP is doing is actually quite risky, using retirement money to invest in bitcoin and what's worse, it's not his money. He won't understand what his father sacrificed to earn that money.

What is also I've noticed in today's generation is that they will decide immedialty without any calculation ,like if they saw someone who profited on it they will then say they can do it like immedialty they decide, also there are others that too eager to do it but when it is already ongoing they will quit as they haven't expected that they are losing. I hope OP listen to replies in this thread as there are chance that his father would agree on him , but again it is better to both of OP and his father talk to it and make calculated risk about the investment.
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But one thing I've been wondering for a few days is if I invest half of my father's retirement allowance in Bitcoin, am I doing something wrong?
Is your father willing to invest half of his retirement money in Bitcoin or it's your idea? Investing in Bitcoin is profitable however let's not set aside the risk because anything is possible to happen. That being said, it's important that the amount you'll use to invest in Bitcoin is also the amount that you can afford to lose. It's the basic rule of investing.
It was just his own idea, his father didn't know this. Because according to what he said, he was just a kid and couldn't give any advice to his father. Furthermore, OP also mentioned that OP's dad's dream is to build a house with this money. It shows he doesn't want to lose this money, and it means a lot to him, so I don't think OP's idea is good.

I feel like if I invest half the amount in Bitcoin for a year after receiving his retirement allowance, I might be able to hand over more money to my dad at the end of the year.  
You can't be so certain everything will go as planned since Bitcoin's price is unpredictable. Yes there's a chance for it to soar high but there's no specific period when it will happen and it can take longer than you expected. Hence, it would be better to discuss this to your father so he's also aware of the possible consequences.

I don't know how long OP has been in the market but with a greedy mentality that only thinks about profit and not risk, it is too risky for him to take his father's money and invest in bitcoin. Again, I cannot support the OP's idea with that in mind.
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You should to think thrice before you invested. The main rule is not to invest money that you can't afford to lose
What if in a year, for example, the price will fall by two or three times. Of course, she may grow to heaven, but this time will be the most hectic for you.
Invest some money that you don't mind losing

From my point of view you should to discuss this idea with your dad and family. You must consider the whole situation and understand that you can lose money or get rich. In any case, make a collective decision
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For me, there's nothing wrong with investing retirement money in Bitcoin, what's wrong is the investor is not aware of the consequences or good and bad.
Proper education to the owner of the money is a must so just in case something will happen to the money, the owner of the money is aware, aware that it will not give you 100%.
You should always carefully weigh the risks and potential rewards.
Yes, there's nothing wrong using retirement funds for bitcoin but it's not yet clear if OP's dad is aware of what he's thinking.

If this is like a one-time thing for his dad then that's fine. But if he's planning to use everything that his dad got, that's not a good idea as his dad planned for their house.

Construction or amortization might be that much but his dad would probably be conservative in his own ways rather than taking risks.
I agree, I mean putting lets say 10% of your retirement fund on bitcoin and leaving that would be fine, the worst case scenario you will lose all of 10%, which we all know they won't but lets assume the worst. However, if you are going to end up putting all he has, then we are talking about something terrible.

Don't risk that much money for old people, bitcoin is slow in that regard, it may go up quick, but it take years for it to start going up quick, one day it will be 30k and next month it is 80k, but for that to happen we wait 2-3 years, that's why it is not a good idea. Don't put that much stress into people and you will end up with a lot of trouble, I personally would suggest doing something smarter and just get out right on the correct time if possible.
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I thought this was something your father decided on and he trusts you so much that he decided to do that for you. That's a good decision (Of course, I'm biased in Bitcoin) and that would be a make or break, and there's nothing wrong with deciding that as long as it's done wholeheartedly.

You can continue investing if that's what you want so that in the future, you can say that you have something to do with that since it's about Bitcoin.
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Hope I get proper advice from you.

First of all, the job of investing in Bitcoin is a job that involves a risk because this requires an Investor to be sure and firm with the risks that will arise later, because basically Bitcoin is fluctuating causing prices to be prone to changes whether it will go up or down, and to be honest Your intentions and plans are very good to use a little retirement money to invest in Bitcoin.

But if you use a timeframe of one year, are you sure that the not too long term will get the results you are targeting, because one year I think this is not a very long term, because most of those who make investments target a distance of 2- 3 years or more but if you are sure there is nothing wrong but you can do it with the DCA technique and maybe it will help your problem, we think you can do it when the family agrees, to be honest using pension proceeds is not a bad idea for investment anyway this Bitcoin will certainly get good results.ood results.
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But one thing I've been wondering for a few days is if I invest half of my father's retirement allowance in Bitcoin, am I doing something wrong?
Is your father willing to invest half of his retirement money in Bitcoin or it's your idea? Investing in Bitcoin is profitable however let's not set aside the risk because anything is possible to happen. That being said, it's important that the amount you'll use to invest in Bitcoin is also the amount that you can afford to lose. It's the basic rule of investing.

I feel like if I invest half the amount in Bitcoin for a year after receiving his retirement allowance, I might be able to hand over more money to my dad at the end of the year.  
You can't be so certain everything will go as planned since Bitcoin's price is unpredictable. Yes there's a chance for it to soar high but there's no specific period when it will happen and it can take longer than you expected. Hence, it would be better to discuss this to your father so he's also aware of the possible consequences.
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I don't know how I make decisions as a boy.  
My father is a military man. He has served in this military sector for 25 years. His term of service is almost at an end. After two months he was going to retire from the job. He will get retirement pension after his service life in the military sector and he has many plans based on this retirement pension.  
His first dream is to build a house with this retirement money. But right now in my country all the materials needed to build a house are very expensive so building a house right now can't be a good decision. And I don't feel safe keeping his pension money in the bank because earlier there was inflation in my country where some banks went bankrupt.
So right now I am not able to give him any proper advice as a boy. But one thing I've been wondering for a few days is if I invest half of my father's retirement allowance in Bitcoin, am I doing something wrong?
I feel like if I invest half the amount in Bitcoin for a year after receiving his retirement allowance, I might be able to hand over more money to my dad at the end of the year.  
Hope I get proper advice from you.

People frequently regard bitcoin investment as a place where you simply put money and get rich quickly. There is more to it, but we fail to recognize it because we are only concerned with the profit they can make. Bitcoin investment is fraught with danger, and it is only for the brave. Investing your father's pension assets in bitcoin is not a good idea, especially when you already know what he intends to do with them. This investment you're considering can result in either a loss or a profit. But because it's uncertain and because it's money you or your father can't afford to lose right now, it's dangerous to invest in bitcoin with it. Also, does your father understand what bitcoin is and how it works? If he doesn't, I think you should talk to him first and explain how it works correctly so he understands what he's getting into and what to expect so he can comprehend the danger involved in this transaction. And if he is interested, you can proceed to invest in bitcoin.

I recommend that you attend to more immediate demands before investing in bitcoin.
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,  but if this is the only money sitting around  better not make a huge investment!

People always feel confident or have no control when they see the many benefits that others get in investing. So they kind of lost their best minds and used huge funds. They don't think there's a big risk that could happen. Actually, investing does not require large costs. Start small, make it big. New people sometimes lack patience and act carelessly. But if they feel confident in their abilities, then starting an investment with large funds and good management is a little better.

They are blinded with some information that they can earn huge profit with investing on it, but they failed to realize that its so risky to do this knowing that bitcoin is so volatile and we may go up or worst down without us knowing so if market badly goes down for sure hus father might lose huge part of his money since for sure he will get affected on situation and might decide to dump for damage control.

Its really good to invest on bitcoin but this is good only for spare amount of money and not came from loan, retirement or even your last money on hand.

That's what is happening with most of the newbies, they just look at the profit other people get from investing and don't understand the risks they can take when investing in bitcoin. If bitcoin could be profitable easily and without any risk, we would all be able to borrow money to invest and become rich without calculating the risk. What OP is doing is actually quite risky, using retirement money to invest in bitcoin and what's worse, it's not his money. He won't understand what his father sacrificed to earn that money.
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