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January 23, 2017, 09:42:32 PM
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Wow, those two who did the interviewing (specially the one wearing the "top" hat), sure did a bad job at it :


* Constantly interrupting those who they interviewed
* Making an interview from the toilet (wtf?)
* Throwing a lot of Monero based assumptions about Dash into the face of the person they interviewed

and thats just from watching the first 5 minutes.

To sum it all up in a few words : a very amateurish low quality Monero biased interview
Well, at least Dash got some free publicity out of it .. and any publicity is good publicity i have been told  Grin

In the end the only thing that got destroyed was the reputation of those two interviewers, if they had any reputation to begin with.

No I can't agree with you, Coingun and dash got what they deserve. Coingun blurted something about Bitcoin buble for that he shoud be crucified right there on the toilet seat
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i am thinking of making a thread about this (me and my friends will have a little party again  Cheesy )...this angle is not discussed openly.. masternodes was secretly hidden from the public's eye for 1 month by Evan and co. after instamining they accumulated more and more Xcoin/darkcoin/DASH before they announced they will POS the coin by making masternodes Wink ... He (Evan) even said "but I think it’s not important to the discussion" ..you sly rat  Cool

tip: for easy/quick reading just check the "red" words and dates.

this will give you folks a different angle on the instamine (crosspost from why dash instamine matters thread)

dash's first month


Ok I get it now. So it is no good. But can anyone explain why the price is rising?

It's rising because it's one of the most coherent monetary assets on coinmarketcap, being that it retains bitcoin's blokchain transparency while improving massively on its fungibility to the point that distinguishing characteristics between addresses are effectively eliminated.

Further, Dash has established a balanced approach between reserve and currency markets thats almost unmatched by any other cryptocurrency asset. That's to say that while some proportion of the coin supply is made available by holders on exchanges for trading, a significant proportion of the rest of it is deployed on the network and earns a return for its holders.

This is in fact not really true.  The coins held in Master nodes are not production investment that earns interest as in a normal currency reserve system, where "saving" is in fact (delegated) investment in production capital.  In other words, "saved" money in a normal monetary economy are not "put in a box" but are again actively used by entrepreneurs to buy production capital.  That money keeps flowing, in other words, it is not locked up in a box as is the case in a Master node.

The "interest earning" in Master nodes is nothing else but a re-distribution of seigniorage by mining ; in other words, a tax on every currency holder, that goes in the pockets of Master node holders: a transfer of wealth from active users to "passive possessors".

In a normal economy, the interest earned comes from the risk taken.  A master node locked up doesn't take the slightest bit of risk but earns 45% of the seigniorage.

You can say that in bitcoin too, there is inflation because of mining.  However, because in bitcoin, the full seigniorage goes to the miner, that miner will also be pushed by competition to BURN most of the seigniorage in PoW.  In DASH, because the miner will only receive 45% of the seigniorage, competition will only make him burn 45% of the seigniorage in PoW, and the rest goes in the pockets of Master nodes and the "gouvernors".  Now, that is EXTREMELY SIMILAR to central banking and their interest rates on issued currency feeding a whole bunch of elite with free money, taxed by inflation on all the others.

In bitcoin, at least, this "tax" is entirely (or almost entirely) burned by PoW, so there is not really a self-accumulation of wealth without risk by the "richies of the first hour(s)".

Also because of this lucrative locking up of a large part of the money supply in master nodes, the ACTUAL available market cap of DASH is way lower than is calculated, because the available coin supply is seriously lower than the total number of coins existing.  

But all this is not to point out that DASH is a kind of rip off.  There is simply no other way to do some form of automated secured coinjoin mixing with bitcoin technology: you need "trusted parties", and so you need to provide them with sufficient incentive to do so (the master nodes).  This implies re-centralisation, governance, and hence, taxes and lucrative happenings for the elite which get richer.

The remaining question is how many master nodes are under independent control.  If that number is too small, then the anonymity of the mixing becomes compromised too.




masternodes are already in plan even before they launched dash....hence the importance of the instamine to grab an astounding amount of dash

This is another lie (a lie you like to repeat again and again). I know because I was there.

Anyone can read the Dash thread from day one to check.


here goes... get ready for some ass whoopin! and check the dates


Great, now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones! Time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do.

this is posted after the 48hr instamine

ka ching! Evan and his friends pocketed a lot of coins.... great indeed very great Evan *clap* *clap*

aaaaannd before he posted this (quote below)

Evan already forked DASH from 84 Million supply to about 21 Million

and you can see him posting, WTB 20,000 and WTB 10,000 DASH  <------ the greed of this guy knows no boundary  Grin

and then this! (the vision of this project and milestones)

In reply to: http://www.reddit.com/r/DRKCoin/comments/1yit1a/using_coinjoin_for_anonymity_is_errorprone/

I'm posting this here, for everyone's benefit. Thanks!

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Hi, I am Gnosis, the Anoncoin developer working on implementing Zerocoin. First of all, I think it is excellent that there is so much interest in developing a fully anonymous currency. I am not just a developer but also a user, or I will be when an anonymous currency exists! When coin creators compete, the coin users win!
However, CoinJoin has been around for a while, and it has not seen much use for anonymity. There's a good reason for that: it's not very anonymous.
Quoting my bitcointalk post:
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CoinJoin has questionable anonymity compared to Zerocoin. The reason is that with CoinJoin, two or more users must somehow partner up and forge a transaction together. They communicate over a secure channel to do this. The coins are only mixed among these "partners." Picking partners you can trust is a significant obstacle: how can you know that your partners will "forget" the mixing that happened? One may try to repeat this 10 times with randomly chosen partners, but how can you know that your partners are not all just sock puppets of one malicious entity (on an anonymous network, it is trivial to create as many fake users as you want )? If that is the case, then your efforts are in vain.
Compare this with Zerocoin, where you put your coins in an accumulator, and they are mixed with the coins of all users who have put coins into that accumulator, since the beginning of Zerocoin. There would be a different accumulator for different denominations of Anoncoins (1, 5, 10, 50 ANC, etc.).
To put it simply, the more users' coins your coins are mixed with, the more anonymity you have.
I cannot speak to Darkcoin's implementation (or planned implementation) of CoinJoin since I cannot seem to find any specs or code on their Github or their site. If anyone knows, please point me to them.
I look forward to a practical and secure solution for anonymity from the DarkCoin devs! Smiley

First off, these are fantastic questions. The answer to implementing this in such a way where it is very difficulty to exploit is by adding cost and verification.

Here’s the gist of how I envision DarkSend to work in the long run. Some of what I’m going to mention is done, some of it I’m working on currently. I’d love some ideas on possible attack vectors on my implementation, so we can make it as bulletproof as possible.

Pools

DarkSend adds various extensions to the Bitcoin protocol for implementing transaction pooling. Like normal Coinjoin the pools take transactions in stages. The stages currently are:

POOL_STATUS_IDLE
POOL_STATUS_ACCEPTING_INPUTS
POOL_STATUS_ACCEPTING_OUTPUTS
POOL_STATUS_SIGNING
POOL_STATUS_TRANSMISSION

So the users relay these items throughout the network as the stages happen. After all items are gathered into the pool, the transactions are merged together into one, remotely signed and then broadcasted.

Masters

To defeat propagation problems, master nodes are elected each new block. They are responsible for being the authority of what goes into the joined transaction each session. This is done in a tamperproof way, but I think it’s not important to the discussion.


So what is the cost?

There must be a cost to using this anonymous network, otherwise like you say there will be issues with millions of accounts popping up. I’m not dead set on which solution(s) to implement, but here’s a couple ideas:

Burnt Identities

Higher difficulty shares to the current block would be mined and then stored in the blockchain permanently. Multiple of these would be used for each transaction and would be “burnt” when misused, causing the attacker to have to mine them again.  

Verification?

To use the pools it will require unique unspend outputs, someone that wants to mess with the system would have to have a large pool of funds in many addresses. So to attack a pool with 100 slots, you would require funds dispersed to 99 addresses, on 99 nodes working in common.

Other possible fee-less solutions?

There is interesting research on protecting against sybil attacks that lends itself really well to a decentralized ledger, such as this paper:

http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/Workshops/InformationSecurity/slides/gamesandreputation.pdf

The idea is to build a social graph of the inputs and outputs of each entry and they should all know different people. If 99 of them all have the same “friends” that they associate with, then they’ll have to enter a different pool. Which will ensure the pool is not full of the nodes belonging to the attacker.

An application for machine learning?

I’m been making models for trading equities for over 7 years now. I ran a financial firm that sold the signals for a few years and I have experience with natural language processing using classifiers. So, I could make a classifier and actually embed it into Darkcoin to determine which pool a node should use, to separate out nodes that seem to be in common.

Other ideas?

I’m open to ideas on how to provide the best security to the network. I would love to hear what people have in mind.

I’ve been working on DarkSend about a month and we’ve already fixed the decentralization and propagation issues, this is just another bridge to cross in the future.

Thanks!

BOOM! a month after the launch date (instamine), accumulation and forking the coin...GREAT indeed Evan *clap* *clap*


postlude...


it is not about just bugs in the code, its about how sneaky and untrustworthy dash beginnings is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPt9YLdQF4

"Jeff (AKA “coingun”) has a computer science background with specialization in Network Operations and Distributed Dynamic Network Asset scaling. He comes to Dash with a decade of experience designing, developing, and deploying dynamically scaling web assets built around the LAMPS stack. He has a passion for security, cryptography, and hardware hacking."

I was early miner of DASH and must to say that some guys just had GPU miners while othere were runnig CPU one and that was obious that "fishy" was going on. Now from perspective i think allso to that translation from DARK to DASH was just to make greater foll effect not improve coin at  end.
"spork" - that was funny part of interview. All was even ok and iformative and as you said trashing DASH.

At least we got some mining opportunity located next to that ASIC wars taking place at Bitcoin country. In a way Litecoin's revolutionary SCRYPT algo backfired on us.
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I never heard the inside explanation for the name change but I remember DARK getting a lot of shit for it - because people were on crypto social media using photos of DASH in Singapore (a payment processor) and saying that was Darkcoin.   DASH is a pretty large brand in Singapore and they sponsor kids events and community events.  So it looks pretty cheap when a bunch of Libertarian bros co-opt the name of a reputable business for Darknet pedophilia and drugs and marketcap pumping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABacWeJsomg

If there is an alternate with any adoption in Singapore then it's probably XEM, through Dragonfly Fintech, but XEM is more focused on Malaysia.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPt9YLdQF4

"Jeff (AKA “coingun”) has a computer science background with specialization in Network Operations and Distributed Dynamic Network Asset scaling. He comes to Dash with a decade of experience designing, developing, and deploying dynamically scaling web assets built around the LAMPS stack. He has a passion for security, cryptography, and hardware hacking."

I was early miner of DASH and must to say that some guys just had GPU miners while othere were runnig CPU one and that was obious that "fishy" was going on. Now from perspective i think allso to that translation from DARK to DASH was just to make greater foll effect not improve coin at  end.
"spork" - that was funny part of interview. All was even ok and iformative and as you said trashing DASH.
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it looks like it looks strange and ridiculous, why did not they interview in the right place, and this is just lelucoin describe the people here waiting and queuing up to use the toilet lol ... not feasible to provide a good example. Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPt9YLdQF4

"Jeff (AKA “coingun”) has a computer science background with specialization in Network Operations and Distributed Dynamic Network Asset scaling. He comes to Dash with a decade of experience designing, developing, and deploying dynamically scaling web assets built around the LAMPS stack. He has a passion for security, cryptography, and hardware hacking."

OK first off, the interviewer on the right is Vince Vaughn, and 2nd, they are doing the interview in a bathroom, which took me 5 min to even realize they were in a bathroom, AMAZING.

You should also watch their Roger Ver interview, with loads of people coming in and out for a piss and Roger freaking out. It's pretty hilarious.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPt9YLdQF4

"Jeff (AKA “coingun”) has a computer science background with specialization in Network Operations and Distributed Dynamic Network Asset scaling. He comes to Dash with a decade of experience designing, developing, and deploying dynamically scaling web assets built around the LAMPS stack. He has a passion for security, cryptography, and hardware hacking."

OK first off, the interviewer on the right is Vince Vaughn, and 2nd, they are doing the interview in a bathroom, which took me 5 min to even realize they were in a bathroom, AMAZING.
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I'll talk about everything else except the facts that dash is a scam.


I'll focus on the facts possibility that there are still profits to be squeezed out of it by enticing unknowing victims into the self enriching scam ponzi.





For those still questioning the FACT it was a captive instamined scam coin that had it's minting reduced to magnify their instamined loot...


Threads examining the evidence of the captive instamine and reduction of the minting to magnify such instamining ...PROOF OF SCAM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-the-darkcoindashdashpay-instamine-matters-999886

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-darkcoin-instamine-2-millions-drks-50-of-darkcoin-in-circulation-560138

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/darkcoin-now-known-as-dash-big-scam-lets-take-a-closer-look-559028

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/darkcoin-aka-dash-the-biggest-ongoing-scam-in-crypto-995710

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dash-aka-darkcoin-victim-resources-999084

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-darkcoin-instamine-2-millions-drks-50-of-darkcoin-in-circulation-560138



I had previously thought that the current developments were being funded from the HUGE % of scammed coins the devs took at the start. I had thought it was good they had stuck around for that at least. I now hear that that is not the case. They instead just set up a ton of masternodes to prop up the price and absorbing a large % of the new mintings and take another 10%  to fund the development. What a scam. Of course they stuck around they are sitting on a self funding self enrichment scheme where they don't even use their scam loot to pay for any development at all.

Anyone mining or investing in this are simply throwing money at these rogues. They mined up blocks of 500 coins many blocks per second at some points, then after sucking up a huge % of the total minting they decided it was not large enough so took away 75% of all the future coins it would have been possible to mine. Then they decided of what little was left to mine they would take some of those too by simply saying for every 1000 coins we scammed you out of(2 blocks we mined several of per second) we now want a cut of all the new block rewards that are mined and we will make all the future decisions. Who would want to join this scam now at this point?

I know that there are certain legalities one must observe regarding premined tokens if you live in certain areas. I wonder what the authorities would make of the comparison between and capitve instamine and a premine. There is actually no difference except scammers like evans try to pass a captive instamine off as a fair launch. So really it's like a dishonest premine. Should be extra penalties for intentional deceit.

I'm sure when dash is large enough there will be reason enough for him and the other devs to be investigated in more detail. Or perhaps evans and his pals will get of lightly and dash will crash and burn before anyone really bothers examining it's history in detail. I bet they get out first though sadly and honest miners and investors will get burned hardest of all.








legendary
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seen all your tricks  Cool

Well none of mine are as effective as that little "squiggle" on your flowchart.

That sure is a handy tool for when you're short on cognizance Wink



well.. that little "squiggle" is as simple as it gets to explain your dead end pursuit for technological advancement...your shitcoin is outdated, lost to innovation... that's what you get when you can't build your coin from scratch in the beginning, cloning bitcoin and building on top of it's code base, the algo was taken from quark's 6 hashing algo (X6) and made it X11, hell can't even think of a name for your coin(stole dashcoin's name), did you know darkcoin name was still not Evan and co. original name? it was taken from a coin that didn't launch..

....speaking of being "short on cognizance Wink" LOL
legendary
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seen all your tricks  Cool

Well none of mine are as effective as that little "squiggle" on your flowchart.

That sure is a handy tool for when you're short on cognizance Wink

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nobody answered my inquiry about blockchain analysis unmasking DASH

Well at least your spelling's an improvement on your analytical deductions, even though it has some ways to go Wink


staying away from the topic again?? hehe.. seen all your tricks  Cool ..what now? gonna rain off topic posts again with your buddies and bury my post in pages of gibberish again?  Grin  .. you, me and bitcointalk are not going anywhere buddy, go and play with your monero friends again if you aren't going to answer my inquiry  Tongue
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nobody answered my inquiry about blockchain analysis unmasking DASH

Well at least your spelling's an improvement on your analytical deductions, even though it has some ways to go Wink
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its only pseudo claim to fame, anonymity, does not exist.

Feel free to demonstrate this claim at your convenience  Wink

Meanwhile, if you include the one design priority you deliberately left out then you'll in fact discover that Dash is as yet unsurpassed as a privacy coin  Grin


nobody answered my inquiry about blockchain analysis unmasking DASH privacy, back then...i guess it's time to show this again....DASH peddlers cmon!  Grin

BTW it was really fun watching the video, the DASH person got grilled but he is technically inclined (supposed to give good answers)...he tried to white wash the "instamine" word, suggested a better word, got lost and cannot find a better word to substitute the "instamine" LOL .... he was a fanatic and i guess that two got out of control because it will really become fun to troll that "fanatic" hehe



4) Most important, those who use PrivateSend have nothing to worry about, because the financial privacy it offers is pretty much ironclad. ICEBREAKER has been trying to crack a 4-round PrivateSend transaction that I posted nearly a year ago and still can't do it.

tl;dr Use PrivateSend, and we can't control what private companies do in any event.

- they will know you are mixing because prior to mixing they can watch your coins, and say "oh it became obfuscated therefore it was mixed"..

- and they also know that your coins came from wallet mixing because it wasn't generated by mining pools and POS masternodes...

that's a huge security hole for your privacy  Tongue



So I know that normally we aren't supposed to quote trolls, but I think these are two relatively valid points that can be easily addressed for any non-trolls that might be interested.

1) Yes, anybody who watches the blockchain will know that coins have been mixed. That's one of the core design elements of Dash--the ability to mix coins. That's like saying "They will know that a Monero user is trying to obfuscate their spending because they're using Monero." That's not really a secret. PrivateSend makes it so that they can't trace a transaction back to its source address. Nobody cares if you've mixed your coins. We all mix our coins. So what?

2) Yes, that one is also self-evident. It's right there in the blockchain. So what that those funds came from mixing? You can't trace a tx back to its source wallet, and there's your financial privacy.

It's sort of like saying "Ohhhhh...his phone is locked! He is trying to protect his privacy!"...granted...but everybody locks their phones. Unless you can bypass the lock, you don't know what's on the phone.

okay..lets expand a little

so the remaining privacy for dash is "tracing proof" but not block chain analysis


your analogy:
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It's sort of like saying "Ohhhhh...his phone is locked! He is trying to protect his privacy!"...granted...but everybody locks their phones. Unless you can bypass the lock, you don't know what's on the phone

they know what's on your phone (call logs and dates), they just can't trace whose your calling to.

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its only pseudo claim to fame, anonymity, does not exist.

Feel free to demonstrate this claim at your convenience  Wink

Meanwhile, if you include the one design priority you deliberately left out then you'll in fact discover that Dash is as yet unsurpassed as a privacy coin  Grin
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Although Dash is a scam I don't see it dying a quick death anytime soon as it's setup to prevent it from doing so is ingenious.  In order to be a masternode within the Dash system entitling that node to part of the block reward, the masternode operator must hold 1000 dash.  Currently there are 4335 masternode operators therefore holding a minimum of (lets do the math) 4,335,000 Dash out of a current supply of 7.045 Million dash (Roughly 62%).   45% of the block reward keeps going to these masternode operators, therefore their market-share of the dash network will essentially never go down.  With 62% of the coin supply that will essentially never be sold, it won't die a quick death but instead it will be agonizingly slow as other investors become slowly disenfranchised with the altcoin.  Considering also that 10% of the block reward is reserved to such things as marketing efforts, Dash itself is in a position to pay, buy off, or suppress any negative press.  These marketing efforts will again cause its death to be a slow spiral instead of a quick one.  
Dash will slowly die as investors eventually realize that it's a scam as its only pseudo claim to fame, anonymity, does not exist.  With users haivng to voluntarily opt-in to trust the masternode operators to mix their individual coins its not anonymous as analysis can be done on transactions that have not been voluntarily mixed and maternodes themselves could easily be the ones doing the analysis.  Unless the system acts to trustlessly anonymize all coins/tokens in the system, it is not anonymous.
The concern that I believe Dash should be aware of is Evan Duffield's marketing of Dash as a virtual corporation with different tiers within the corporation.  I've seen numerous presentations where he has touted Dash itself as having hired numerous full time developers, and the masternode operators as being part of the corporation upper level along with miners who are all being paid out from the block rewards.  I think that he is setting himself up to be sued by various governmental agencies such as the US Securities and Exchange Commission whereas he is acting as a de facto CEO.  I can easily see him and any other identifiable individuals associated with Dah taken down for various SEC or other similar government violations.  Once the head of the snake/scam is cut off, its over.
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I didn't know that dash had any reputation to be destroyed...
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Ooh, shiny things!!
You trolls are so funny. Keeping repeating "proven scam" doesn't make something a scam nor does it constitute proof of such. Keep up the publicity stunts though!  Your work is invaluable  Grin
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zealots

Speaking of which, how's your forehead these days ?

I hear these come in handy. You might even be able to pick one up on alphabay using a certain stealth coin that doesn't tax your sense of injustice so acutely. There you go - relief for you on 2 fronts at once - don't say I'm not helpful !

You'll need it because apparently...



Your trading tips are of course also appreciated. Hopefully you'll stick around Wink



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...I can't see many people wanting to mine them for much longer.

A visit to your local optician should fix that.





Not much left to mine that is profitable on gpu.  It's a scam coin. The tech to me is secondary in importance. If it had amazing tech (which many of the top coders on this board say it has not) then it should be cloned and distributed in a fair manner as most of the other POW coins of that time were.

Since it apparently has nothing going for it except zealots and deep pocket whales who are just reaping all benefits of the ponzi through their masternodes and hoards of cheap coins they got for captive instamining it can never seriously get adopted because any person looking into it via google or other means will immediately be hit with the facts of the scam.

The captive instamine, slashing of the minting and masternodes however is kind of a touch of genius for a guaranteed self enrichment scheme.

Evans to me is not the worst thing about dash and personal attacks on his person other than to attack his actions on the captive instamine and slashing of the minting should be avoided - he's a scammer yes but whether he is an ugly ginger scammer or not ( i have never really seen what he looks like anyway so I have no clue nor am interested) is neither here nor there. He should dump that and move on to something else.

I didn't watch the interview but why bother? so many of the top coders on here have looked at dash and found it inferior to other projects trying to accomplish the same thing.  I don't care about xmr or really any anon coins although I am supporting dnet just on the basis of I hope they can clone and dethrone dash.  Anon is not something I am passionate about so I don't have vast knowledge of other anon coins.

The dash spammers here are zealots and for the most part not that rude or aggressive - shame they could not have found an honest project to get behind. When dash implodes (it is taking a lot longer than I thought these guys have staying power that is for sure) it will happen fast like all ponzi schemes. I hope the honest investors and miners get out first.

Qwizzie - come and join an honest project like dnet PIVx or any other coin that is not a proven scam coin. I have over 100 different coins and don't care to become a zealot over any one project. However I can see you like to focus on only one. I will assist you choosing a new honest project free from any scamming past.

I have asked you before why choose dash? it is not technically superior to other coins. It is no longer ahead of its time. It is a proven scam.. so why? why choose dash to invest you time an effort when you say you don't even have a huge stake in it?

Why not liquidate your share in dash and become a whale in dnet or PIVx?

Or any other honest coin with a good dev team?

Anyone liquidating even 1 masternode in dash will have a FAR greater chance of huge returns with PIVx (dnet)






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