[DASH] What happened to Masternode Blinding? [DARKSEND UNUSABLE] - page 2.

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Quote from: saddambitcoin on December 07, 2015, 06:41:23 PM

I did some searching on DashTalk and I found out what happened to Masternode Blinding. Whatever the case, anything longer than Instant Mixing is unacceptable.

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DAPI will also include a vastly improved version of masternode blinding. All requests through the system can be blinded, so that they are redirected through the system to a masternode that doesn’t have any direct contact with the end user. This is the reason we will not be building masternode-blinding into the v12 client.

Source: https://dashtalk.org/threads/development-update-oct-19-2015.6429/

So he uses Bitcointalk to make positive announcements

and he uses Dashtalk to make negative announcements

DAPI will only be released in 12-18 months at the earliest (more likely never based on Evan's track record)

Until then, i guess DASH users are stuck with mixing times of 20 hours - 72 hours to send a simple anon tx.

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I did some searching on DashTalk and I found out what happened to Masternode Blinding. Whatever the case, anything longer than Instant Mixing is unacceptable.

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DAPI will also include a vastly improved version of masternode blinding. All requests through the system can be blinded, so that they are redirected through the system to a masternode that doesn’t have any direct contact with the end user. This is the reason we will not be building masternode-blinding into the v12 client.

Source: https://dashtalk.org/threads/development-update-oct-19-2015.6429/

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 07, 2015, 01:45:28 PM

On April 9 2015 eduffield said anon Darksend transactions were "Lighting fast"

Quote from: eduffield on April 09, 2015, 04:30:41 PM

************ Please Update To 11.2.22! ****************

- DS Speed Improvements : Darksend should be lightning fast now on mainnet. We're going to delay the implementation of masternode blinding because there's two separate mobile wallets that are in the process of implementing Darksend and the reference implementation needs to be super stable during this period of time. Once we have the mobile wallets done (which should have Darksend and InstantX support) we can move back to improving Darksend.

Yet it still takes atleast 20+ hours to send one. How is that lighting fast?

The failure to implement Masternode Blinding as promised would seem to explain the dumps for the past 6 months. Is this also the reason Stonehedge abandoned DASH?

I stand corrected..you posted this before me. Damn you! Embarrassed

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 07, 2015, 01:13:24 PM

It takes 20+ hours for a Dash transaction.

The problem was supposedly fixed 8 months ago.

But Masternode blinding is MIA.

I'm sure there's a completely plausible Duffsplanation for this, just like there was for the "accidental" instamine.

20 hours is just the tip of the iceberg look at below 72 hours:

Quote from: smoothie on December 06, 2015, 06:15:56 PM

This reddit discussion from a few months ago gives insight into how long darksend mixing should/could take:

link: https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/3etq0y/what_is_the_point_of_darksend_mixing_in_the/

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In the dashcore wallet it has darksend mixing, it doesnt give any options but says 1000drk/2 rounds, so it will try to mix my balance of 10drk 100x over? or 200x over? Whats the point of this if i can darksend when i send payment?
edit: Its been over 2 hours and only says 8% which it said 20minutes into it, it keeps saying it failed will retry like theres something wrong with the network, is darksend a working feature?

Tungfa:

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You can change the mixing settings in " Wallet Preferences"
Mixing makes pre mixed coins available for DS ! For the mixing you need other coins/wallets to be mixing with you, so if nobody is online mixing it will take longer. be patient, DS works

2d2d2d2aasdasd:

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Its been running since i made this post and its only at 9%, how patient do i have to be, like 72 hours patient?

Tungfa:

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depends on how many coins, how many rounds
what are you doing 1000 Dash / 2 Rounds ? 72 hours definitely

2d2d2d2aasdasd:

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I dont even have 1000 dash, i have like $20 worth. Its set at 1000 dash by default but im assuming that means it will mix up to 1000, right, like how could it mix more than there is?
So basically to use dash anonymously i got to leave my computer on for 3 days?

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Quote from: obit33 on December 07, 2015, 12:35:05 PM

Quote from: ArticMine on December 06, 2015, 05:13:04 PM

Mixing Dash is actually very simple.

1) Sell Dash for XMR on Poloniex
2) Send XMR to own XMR address
3) Send XMR to a second XMR address with a mixin of say 5
4) Sell XMR for Dash on Shapeshift.io

Voila! Mixed Dash. No need to wait for weeks or worry about masternode blinding.

Edit: When sending the XMR to Shapeshift.io also use a mixin of say 5

hats of to you sir, I laughed a lot, especially because it seems to be true also...

best regards

Artic that was pretty smoooth. Cheesy

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 06, 2015, 03:52:58 PM

DASH mixing takes a very long time Sad

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Quote from: eduffield on April 09, 2015, 04:30:41 PM

************ Please Update To 11.2.22! ****************

- DS Speed Improvements : Darksend should be lightning fast now on mainnet. We're going to delay the implementation of masternode blinding because there's two separate mobile wallets that are in the process of implementing Darksend and the reference implementation needs to be super stable during this period of time. Once we have the mobile wallets done (which should have Darksend and InstantX support) we can move back to improving Darksend.

You missed that one where he says Darksend should be lightning fast now.

20 hours from that user above....is "LIGHTNING FAST" Undecided

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Can we get an update from the DASH team about the ETA for Masternode Blinding? DASH mixing is horribly slow and unuseable. Thanks.

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On April 9 2015 eduffield said anon Darksend transactions were "Lighting fast"

Quote from: eduffield on April 09, 2015, 04:30:41 PM

************ Please Update To 11.2.22! ****************

- DS Speed Improvements : Darksend should be lightning fast now on mainnet. We're going to delay the implementation of masternode blinding because there's two separate mobile wallets that are in the process of implementing Darksend and the reference implementation needs to be super stable during this period of time. Once we have the mobile wallets done (which should have Darksend and InstantX support) we can move back to improving Darksend.

Yet it still takes atleast 20+ hours to send one. How is that lighting fast?

The failure to implement Masternode Blinding as promised would seem to explain the dumps for the past 6 months. Is this also the reason Stonehedge abandoned DASH?

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Quote from: illodin on December 07, 2015, 01:18:39 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 07, 2015, 12:54:06 PM

Quote from: illodin on December 07, 2015, 11:51:24 AM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 07, 2015, 10:31:46 AM

Are DASH users stuck with 20+ hours of mixing time to send a simple anon tx for the next 12-18 months?

You can have standard coins and anonymous coins in your DASH wallet. You can mix standard coins and they will become anonymous coins. This process currently takes time. When you have anonymous coins in your wallet you have mixed a month ago for example, you can spend them immediately, there's no waiting as they have already been mixed.

I see. So if I want to send an anon transaction of 100 DASH, I'll buy the coins on the exchange and send it to my DASH wallet. Then I'll need to wait 20+ hours before I can send 100 DASH as an anon tx. How is that "Lighting fast" ? Have you ever seen a bolt of lightning in the sky for 20+ hours? Because I haven't Roll Eyes

I'm sorry you didn't like Dash's answer to anonymity.

With Dash if you don't have any anonymous coins mixed already and your use case is to keep buying them on an exchange so you can send them immediately, that opens you to all kinds of timing attack vulnerabilities. Perhaps rethinking using Dash would be would be advisable.

FTFY

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 07, 2015, 12:54:06 PM

Quote from: illodin on December 07, 2015, 11:51:24 AM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 07, 2015, 10:31:46 AM

Are DASH users stuck with 20+ hours of mixing time to send a simple anon tx for the next 12-18 months?

You can have standard coins and anonymous coins in your DASH wallet. You can mix standard coins and they will become anonymous coins. This process currently takes time. When you have anonymous coins in your wallet you have mixed a month ago for example, you can spend them immediately, there's no waiting as they have already been mixed.

I see. So if I want to send an anon transaction of 100 DASH, I'll buy the coins on the exchange and send it to my DASH wallet. Then I'll need to wait 20+ hours before I can send 100 DASH as an anon tx. How is that "Lighting fast" ? Have you ever seen a bolt of lightning in the sky for 20+ hours? Because I haven't Roll Eyes

I'm sorry you didn't like the answer.

If you don't have any anonymous coins mixed already and your use case is to keep buying them on an exchange so you can send them immediately, that opens you to all kinds of timing attack vulnerabilities. Perhaps rethinking your approach would be advisable.

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

It takes 20+ hours for a Dash transaction.

The problem was supposedly fixed 8 months ago.

But Masternode blinding is MIA.

I'm sure there's a completely plausible Duffsplanation for this, just like there was for the "accidental" instamine.

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Quote from: illodin on December 07, 2015, 11:51:24 AM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 07, 2015, 10:31:46 AM

Are DASH users stuck with 20+ hours of mixing time to send a simple anon tx for the next 12-18 months?

You can have standard coins and anonymous coins in your DASH wallet. You can mix standard coins and they will become anonymous coins. This process currently takes time. When you have anonymous coins in your wallet you have mixed a month ago for example, you can spend them immediately, there's no waiting as they have already been mixed.

I see. So if I want to send an anon transaction of 100 DASH, I'll buy the coins on the exchange and send it to my DASH wallet. Then I'll need to wait 20+ hours before I can send 100 DASH as an anon tx. How is that "Lighting fast" ? Have you ever seen a bolt of lightning in the sky for 20+ hours? Because I haven't Roll Eyes

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What a surprise. The usual trolls from the Monero community talking about Dash in a new thread (as usual).

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Quote from: ArticMine on December 06, 2015, 05:13:04 PM

Mixing Dash is actually very simple.

1) Sell Dash for XMR on Poloniex
2) Send XMR to own XMR address
3) Send XMR to a second XMR address with a mixin of say 5
4) Sell XMR for Dash on Shapeshift.io

Voila! Mixed Dash. No need to wait for weeks or worry about masternode blinding.

Edit: When sending the XMR to Shapeshift.io also use a mixin of say 5

hats of to you sir, I laughed a lot, especially because it seems to be true also...

best regards

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 07, 2015, 10:31:46 AM

Are DASH users stuck with 20+ hours of mixing time to send a simple anon tx for the next 12-18 months?

You can have standard coins and anonymous coins in your DASH wallet. You can mix standard coins and they will become anonymous coins. This process currently takes time. When you have anonymous coins in your wallet you have mixed a month ago for example, you can spend them immediately, there's no waiting as they have already been mixed.

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Are we going to get a response from the DASH crew on this or what?

Why is the Github showing 404 now? Has Masternode blinding been abandoned?

Are DASH users stuck with 20+ hours of mixing time to send a simple anon tx for the next 12-18 months?

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Quote from: generalizethis on December 06, 2015, 04:27:31 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 06, 2015, 04:20:29 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 06, 2015, 04:15:20 PM

Wow so if we use the reduction of 80% then it originally took 100 hours to mix dash using dark send?

Either that or Evan spoke too soon because he behind the scenes developer wasnt done yet or evan straight up lied.

It seems the 20 hours should have been improved to 4 hours, but it was never actually implemented.

Was four hours suppose to be super fast?

In "Dash-talk" yes I guess so.

Their community appears to operate in an alternate dimension where time is not a factor of importance.

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Mixing Dash is actually very simple.

1) Sell Dash for XMR on Poloniex
2) Send XMR to own XMR address
3) Send XMR to a second XMR address with a mixin of say 5
4) Sell XMR for Dash on Shapeshift.io

Voila! Mixed Dash. No need to wait for weeks or worry about masternode blinding.

Edit: When sending the XMR to Shapeshift.io also use a mixin of say 5

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 06, 2015, 04:20:29 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 06, 2015, 04:15:20 PM

Wow so if we use the reduction of 80% then it originally took 100 hours to mix dash using dark send?

Either that or Evan spoke too soon because he behind the scenes developer wasnt done yet or evan straight up lied.

It seems the 20 hours should have been improved to 4 hours, but it was never actually implemented.

Was four hours suppose to be super fast?

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Quote from: smoothie on December 06, 2015, 04:15:20 PM

Wow so if we use the reduction of 80% then it originally took 100 hours to mix dash using dark send?

Either that or Evan spoke too soon because he behind the scenes developer wasnt done yet or evan straight up lied.

It seems the 20 hours should have been improved to 4 hours, but it was never actually implemented.

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