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I bought the SEEK Camera for thermal camera. 
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************  THERMAL CAMERA *********************************

Got this recommendation from m1n1ngP4d4w4n.  What a wonderful device!  I previously used the Laser Heat gun which was very cheap and great at quick spot checking but nothing like this THERMAL CAMERA!

You can quickly view all the HOTSPOTs.  


Would you provide the brand / model of the thermal camera you are using?  And maybe your thoughts on it now that you have had it awhile?

thanks
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always an informative thread to come back and read and always love the updates yun
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Many different ways depending on how your PSU blows out the heat.  Best to find a way that is both SEXY and can remove heat quick
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D3 ARMY!!!!!!!!!

Fun

Looks like lots of fun.  I'm basically working on getting ready for the same thing.  I have 12 coming in about a month, and I've just recently committed to 7 more if all sellers come through. 

I was looking at how you did the PSU's.  Could you or would you recommend doing the same setup of 2x6 rack for PSU's in the front or over top of the D3's.  I just wonder how to do the same setup as you all stacked next to each other.  I guess once I get a few units in hand next week (hopefully) if deals come through then I can start playing Legos with them and build/stack them around lol.

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@Searing - Yeah 12cents / kw and above is never fun.

@Citronick - I'm not sure what the concern is.  D3 cost less than L3 during launch.  $1450 vs 2400.  Only recently did the price of L3 drop below 2k.  My L3 that I bought in May / July more than paid for themselves so yeah they're great investments and paid for the D3.  I have no concerns on the D3.  Remember when the S7 and S9 came out, they were so powerful that they killed difficulty for at least a few months before it properly adjust.  The D3 is many more times as the most powerful Baikal miners so it's expected the shock would be much worst but it will recover.  The current batch does 18-20GH vs advertised 15GH so it's doing well above $15/day.  Should be no issues ROI and then free money.  L3 are roughly in the same range 15-17/day but of course at much less wattage and noise.   I still see D3 as being a good powerful house for a while.

@ Scrappy Do - It's not always that simple.  Most residential house including mine actually have 125AMP not 200AMP so you're actually lucky to start off with 200AMP.  Even 3000SF homes in TX can have 125AMP services.  It's also not true that commercial rates is higher than residential.  IT all depends on the area.  Commercial TDU or energy charges are much less than residential so say you have 5 cents a kw in Texas, your TDU charges are almost another 4cents per kw in additional making it 9 cents.  Whereas commercial depends on your provider and usage and can be less than 1.5 cents for TDU so for the same place, commercial is much cheaper.   You can also lock in for 3years with commerical.  My home have a residential and commercial meter.  The commercial is much cheaper rate due to lower TDU.   Also there are much more restriction on power and noise at home then commercial including the max your transformer can support, single phase residential vs 3 phase commercial.  3 Phase will give you a lot more wattage for the same amperage used, bar none the most important thing u want to have if you want to scale.   There are pros and cons to both residential and commercial when it comes to cost but if you're going to go big, it makes 100% sense to do commercial vs many home sites due to lower energy cost, better insurance coverage, tax purposes and safety, etc.

P.S You don't need 1 phase to 3 phase connectors.  You can load balance the phases at the breaker level and use single phase PDU so cost is not really a factor but you can support a whole lot more rigs with the same amperage.






I can attest to comercial tda rates being around 50 percent of what i paid for residential , its much cheaper here too

3phase is great an all but not available in most residental zoned areas, you can still get large amps in single phase setups but it will cost you three times as much.
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@Scrappy - What city are we talking about here?  Please remember most residential houses share 1 transformer / pedestal with others so there is a cap on what you can use and that is usually about 400AMP single phase which is similar to 300 AMP 3 phase.   You can request for higher if they are willing to upgrade but usually most will cap you around that and in a small chance you may get lucky and they will allow more.  

I don't see how you can't get better rate commercially then residential unless it's in city where you are not allowed to choose from multiple vendors like Boston.    In Texas you can actually use power brokers and the more power u use, the cheaper your rates can be.   If you are running ASIC then many sites is not an issue.  If you're running GPU farms, the less sites you have, the better as its' more resource intensive so you want to minimize the travel.  9 cents a kw is hardly a bargain.  If you want to Scale, you need the 6 cents or less.  I find that very hard to get for residential unless you're in the Hydro area of Washington.  For the rest of the USA, it will HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL AREA.  For residential, you may get lucky for maybe 3-12 months but you can't bet on 36 months or higher.

 Cabot AR. By no means am I in a city. I am as rural as it gets. Yes we do share a transformer, luckily I own the house next door and we share it alone. They have upgraded it already.

 Again, I am rural. There is no competition, there is no choice. In fact this holds true if I move to a commercial property in the city. Look up First Electric Coop. You will see.

 Asics multi farm, GPU's all in one location. 9 cents is in the top 10% lowest rates in the nation. Again we are talking Arkansas. One of the poorest states in the nation. Hell I was paying 8 cents till last year. Sad

 Nah 3-12 months my ass, I been in the game since 012. Smiley My Coop has learned what I do, and happy to provide it. Hell, back in 014, they literally were walking around in the yard and I stopped them and said " What's up guys?" They were curious why I was burning so much then. I opened the doors let them come in and clamp to the machines. They saw the draw I was pulling and left me alone. Until..... I needed more power and then they knew me and their engineers keep finding ways to feed me.

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@Scrappy - What city are we talking about here?  Please remember most residential houses share 1 transformer / pedestal with others so there is a cap on what you can use and that is usually about 400AMP single phase which is similar to 300 AMP 3 phase.   You can request for higher if they are willing to upgrade but usually most will cap you around that and in a small chance you may get lucky and they will allow more. 

I don't see how you can't get better rate commercially then residential unless it's in city where you are not allowed to choose from multiple vendors like Boston.    In Texas you can actually use power brokers and the more power u use, the cheaper your rates can be.   If you are running ASIC then many sites is not an issue.  If you're running GPU farms, the less sites you have, the better as its' more resource intensive so you want to minimize the travel.  9 cents a kw is hardly a bargain.  If you want to Scale, you need the 6 cents or less.  I find that very hard to get for residential unless you're in the Hydro area of Washington.  For the rest of the USA, it will HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL AREA.  For residential, you may get lucky for maybe 3-12 months but you can't bet on 36 months or higher.
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@Searing - Yeah 12cents / kw and above is never fun.

@Citronick - I'm not sure what the concern is.  D3 cost less than L3 during launch.  $1450 vs 2400.  Only recently did the price of L3 drop below 2k.  My L3 that I bought in May / July more than paid for themselves so yeah they're great investments and paid for the D3.  I have no concerns on the D3.  Remember when the S7 and S9 came out, they were so powerful that they killed difficulty for at least a few months before it properly adjust.  The D3 is many more times as the most powerful Baikal miners so it's expected the shock would be much worst but it will recover.  The current batch does 18-20GH vs advertised 15GH so it's doing well above $15/day.  Should be no issues ROI and then free money.  L3 are roughly in the same range 15-17/day but of course at much less wattage and noise.   I still see D3 as being a good powerful house for a while.

@ Scrappy Do - It's not always that simple.  Most residential house including mine actually have 125AMP not 200AMP so you're actually lucky to start off with 200AMP.  Even 3000SF homes in TX can have 125AMP services.  It's also not true that commercial rates is higher than residential.  IT all depends on the area.  Commercial TDU or energy charges are much less than residential so say you have 5 cents a kw in Texas, your TDU charges are almost another 4cents per kw in additional making it 9 cents.  Whereas commercial depends on your provider and usage and can be less than 1.5 cents for TDU so for the same place, commercial is much cheaper.   You can also lock in for 3years with commerical.  My home have a residential and commercial meter.  The commercial is much cheaper rate due to lower TDU.   Also there are much more restriction on power and noise at home then commercial including the max your transformer can support, single phase residential vs 3 phase commercial.  3 Phase will give you a lot more wattage for the same amperage used, bar none the most important thing u want to have if you want to scale.   There are pros and cons to both residential and commercial when it comes to cost but if you're going to go big, it makes 100% sense to do commercial vs many home sites due to lower energy cost, better insurance coverage, tax purposes and safety, etc.

P.S You don't need 1 phase to 3 phase connectors.  You can load balance the phases at the breaker level and use single phase PDU so cost is not really a factor but you can support a whole lot more rigs with the same amperage.


 I guess that is the major difference in the actual providers. Here, I cannot get commercial cheaper no matter what I do. Trust me I have spoke to damn near everyone at the coop, and even considered buying commercial property, but there simply is no advantage. That may be a major difference as well beings as though I am on a coop. One thing about it, they issue a check yearly based on the companys profits and it is paid back based on usage. Smiley Perhaps if I were on a pure profit company like Entergy it may be different.

 As far as noise goes, I am in the county so no city rules apply and I have acreage so as not to disturb any of my neighbors. Not to mention they all know what I do, and we watch each others back. Smiley

 BTW.. What do you consider big? I'm running 600th/s and working on another 500.

 Guess what I am saying is, for me, commercial makes no sense as the rates are higher, and you really get no benefit where I am. I have all my farms linked and do stratum up from a server so I see no reason to get 1 massive connection as it stands right now. I am completely fine with multiple sites and my rates. Smiley

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@Citronick - I'm not sure what the concern is.  D3 cost less than L3 during launch.  $1450 vs 2400.  Only recently did the price of L3 drop below 2k.  My L3 that I bought in May / July more than paid for themselves so yeah they're great investments and paid for the D3.  I have no concerns on the D3.  Remember when the S7 and S9 came out, they were so powerful that they killed difficulty for at least a few months before it properly adjust.  The D3 is many more times as the most powerful Baikal miners so it's expected the shock would be much worst but it will recover.  The current batch does 18-20GH vs advertised 15GH so it's doing well above $15/day.  Should be no issues ROI and then free money.  L3 are roughly in the same range 15-17/day but of course at much less wattage and noise.   I still see D3 as being a good powerful house for a while.

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yeah.... actually I have been milking it in since December last year with Baikals, Ibelinks and D3s.... hopefully X11 profitability will recover soon :-)
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@Searing - Yeah 12cents / kw and above is never fun.

@Citronick - I'm not sure what the concern is.  D3 cost less than L3 during launch.  $1450 vs 2400.  Only recently did the price of L3 drop below 2k.  My L3 that I bought in May / July more than paid for themselves so yeah they're great investments and paid for the D3.  I have no concerns on the D3.  Remember when the S7 and S9 came out, they were so powerful that they killed difficulty for at least a few months before it properly adjust.  The D3 is many more times as the most powerful Baikal miners so it's expected the shock would be much worst but it will recover.  The current batch does 18-20GH vs advertised 15GH so it's doing well above $15/day.  Should be no issues ROI and then free money.  L3 are roughly in the same range 15-17/day but of course at much less wattage and noise.   I still see D3 as being a good powerful house for a while.

@ Scrappy Do - It's not always that simple.  Most residential house including mine actually have 125AMP not 200AMP so you're actually lucky to start off with 200AMP.  Even 3000SF homes in TX can have 125AMP services.  It's also not true that commercial rates is higher than residential.  IT all depends on the area.  Commercial TDU or energy charges are much less than residential so say you have 5 cents a kw in Texas, your TDU charges are almost another 4cents per kw in additional making it 9 cents.  Whereas commercial depends on your provider and usage and can be less than 1.5 cents for TDU so for the same place, commercial is much cheaper.   You can also lock in for 3years with commerical.  My home have a residential and commercial meter.  The commercial is much cheaper rate due to lower TDU.   Also there are much more restriction on power and noise at home then commercial including the max your transformer can support, single phase residential vs 3 phase commercial.  3 Phase will give you a lot more wattage for the same amperage used, bar none the most important thing u want to have if you want to scale.   There are pros and cons to both residential and commercial when it comes to cost but if you're going to go big, it makes 100% sense to do commercial vs many home sites due to lower energy cost, better insurance coverage, tax purposes and safety, etc.

P.S You don't need 1 phase to 3 phase connectors.  You can load balance the phases at the breaker level and use single phase PDU so cost is not really a factor but you can support a whole lot more rigs with the same amperage.




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 Just an overview of the thread as I did not read it all. Several things point out to me that just make me say wtf?!?!?!?!

 1. I see all these people talk of AC for their rigs... Have you lost your flipping mind? I am in Arkansas and we see several days a year over 100 degrees and also have extreme humidity. The only issue I have ever had is fans burning out and this is in a non filtered environment. So this misconception that you need some fancy ass ac/filtered air is bullshit.

 2. Standard service to a house here is 200amp. I have added a 300 amp to a separate building on my property, and working on another 300amp next door (we bought that house as well) in addition to the 200 amp already there. The key is (at least here) if your building is on a foundation (concrete) they typically will allow a shop on the same premises as the house and do so for free. Now, If you have a portable building ( no concrete) you must provide the ditch and conduit to the panel (which you must also purchase). I just finished this and it cost me $1300 for a 320 foot underground ditch and conduit. Add in the meter/breaker box and service disconnect (which no matter how you do it you must pay for on your own) $2200.

 With all that said, Residential service is by FAR cheaper than commercial. Sure you can argue reliability and who comes up first in an outage, but bottom line .09kw/h kicks .14kw/h commercials ass including so called reliability. Now I know your saying "yea but I need security". Cameras and my guns take care of that I assure you. "But what about when I run out of power or I want 3 phase?" Believe it or not there are 1 phase to 3 phase connectors that are very inexpensive.

 1 more thing on this... Another major benefit to going residential and taking advantage of the services already there are you do not need to pay for transformers. They MUST provide them for residential customers. Since I started mining, I have seen them upgrade my pole and several others just to provide for me!

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D3 ARMY!!!!!!!!!


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Fun

sent you a pm....but at my 12c kWh that big a boat won't float at these x11 prices........ (I have 4k plus for 2 units, ONE 2nd batch at $2.6k and ONE nov batch at $1.4k)

not my most 'prudent' ASIC investment, of any flavor ASIC,  this year it seems Sad



My D3s are in the slumps...

yun9999 - you should have gotten more L3+
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D3 ARMY!!!!!!!!!


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Fun

sent you a pm....but at my 12c kWh that big a boat won't float at these x11 prices........ (I have 4k plus for 2 units, ONE 2nd batch at $2.6k and ONE nov batch at $1.4k)

not my most 'prudent' ASIC investment, of any flavor ASIC,  this year it seems Sad

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D3 ARMY!!!!!!!!!









Fun
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All my rigs are shut down.   Water level is breeching 30% up driveway.   It's not looking good.............7 more days of rain.    All detention ponds and bayou are breached.
 Only thing we can do is pray.  Only 1 life jacket in the house, who gets it?  L3 or 1080TI?
flood insurance will pay for all your losses

not If they don't have flood insurance, which is seprate from normal insurance which doesn't usually cover floods or flooding, also knowing that only 12 percent of people in texas in and around the affected areas have flood insurance. chances are if his house flooded he may not get squat back because flooding wasn't covered

I want to say max flood insurance payout is like $250k for house(structure - maybe more if he had it registered as a business) and maybe $100k for appliances. Not sure where he is but if it was the SW side or Kingwood area he may be in a world of hurt. Spent most of this week in Kingwood helping clean up a co-workers house. Sad stuff

250k only ? that wont even cover most house structures, that cant be right

That's what I keep hearing. I tried to navigate the FEMA website to confirm which I knew was the wrong approach. Googling around shows the $250k structure + 100k personal property.
The best article I found was Consumer Report

https://www.consumerreports.org/flood-insurance/what-flood-insurance-does-and-does-not-cover/




honestly the only good info is that of which comes from the insurance company not off some danm 3rd party consumer reports website, not all insurance is the same, at best that's prolly an average and not the full information from a particular insurance company as there are lots of them, lots of insurance that people have DONT cover personal stuff, covers structure at best unless they are paying a premium which in texas I doubt any or most have that kind of insurance

Move out to the mountain west, it's cold during winter that you don't need air conditioning and during the summers the basements stay really cool that you'll need minimum air conditioning for your rigs. 
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1080TI have very good wattage / hash rate if you're willing to under clock them at a lost of hash.  You can easily do over 500 Sols at 125W so it would beat the 1070 hands down but you wouldn't do that as you would be losing money.  At 200W and 700 Sol via Power Limit of 200, definitely not a bad deal either.   For a very large environment, less rigs to achieve the same hash is usually better as you have less rigs to maintain, service, RMA, power and build.   Where 1070 excels is for ETH 30 MH vs 36-38 for 1080TI.  I have a lot of 1070s too when they were at $340 or less but not at 400+ which is where the 1080TIs is a much better value per dollar. 


Yeah I got to the party late & am at over $400/each GPU. I seriously considered 1060s(for a while) & buying used off eBay etc. But finally just pulled the trigger for 1.5GH on ETH. Zcash is something else I'm waiting to try, just doesn't seem as profitable just yet. Still I'd love to tell my wife "remember those $750 GPUs?.. I ordered 8 of them!" haha
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hey yun i was watching somebody on youtube saying that the 1060's are better power effency then the 1070 / 1080's they are running 8 of them ? is it true
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1080TI have very good wattage / hash rate if you're willing to under clock them at a lost of hash.  You can easily do over 500 Sols at 125W so it would beat the 1070 hands down but you wouldn't do that as you would be losing money.  At 200W and 700 Sol via Power Limit of 200, definitely not a bad deal either.   For a very large environment, less rigs to achieve the same hash is usually better as you have less rigs to maintain, service, RMA, power and build.   Where 1070 excels is for ETH 30 MH vs 36-38 for 1080TI.  I have a lot of 1070s too when they were at $340 or less but not at 400+ which is where the 1080TIs is a much better value per dollar. 
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EVGA SC2 are actually the best in terms of performance and heat management.  Aorus are unnecessarily FAT and you can't fit 6 into a server case or same foot print as 6 EVGA SC2.  They also don't handle heat as well and will throttle very badly.  I bought 60 Aorus but I regret that decision.  Knowing what I know now, I would rather pay the premium and get SC2.  Even within the EVGA line, there are differences in heat management which dictates performance.  A cooler card will hash the full hash rate vs losing 100+ sol when overheating.  This is why you see the 24K BTU behind the Aorus to get the full hashing power.   They are very sexy at night though, I must give them that.  


Fans to help my 1080TI stay cool and sexy.



Looks really nice dude!

What hashrate are you getting on your TIs? I opted for 1070s for the better wattage/hashrate & assumed more 1070s would beat less 1080TIs but there's got to be a reason you spent $300 more per GPU right?
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