David Benavidez Vs Demetrius Andrade Interim WBC Super Middleweight title fight

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 02, 2023, 04:18:41 PM

I read this article about Benavidez and this is what he says,

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“I feel like Canelo does need me,” Benavidez told Pro Box TV. “If he really wants to cement his legacy and make big fights happen. At the end of the day, he’s fighting for money too. He gets paid a lot. I think if he wants to keep getting paid like this then this is the biggest fight to make. Boxing needs this fight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-i-feel-like-canelo-needs-me--179688

I think this is true, I mean who wouldn't want big money at the end of the day? And so if Canelo claiming to be one the best in this era then he should really give the young Benavidez at chance to fight him for money and legacy.

And it's good that we see this in media, so that Canelo will be pressure somewhat to listen to his fans and non-fans to give David a fight next year.

In the year 2024, we will see if Canelo will give the young and hungry Benavidez a chance to fight him, Mayweather gave him a chance when he was an up-and-coming boxer back then so why not return the favor and give Benavidez a chance to prove himself, he doesn't want to leave boxing questioning his legacy because he avoided a fighter like Benavidez.
Canelo mentioned a lot of fighters in his list but never Benavidez and this makes us believes that he tries to avoid Benavidez because he believes that what happened to him against Bivol could happen again here.

I'm locking this thread now, let see if there will be a change of minds and the Canelo will agreed to fight Benavidez.

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I read this article about Benavidez and this is what he says,

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“I feel like Canelo does need me,” Benavidez told Pro Box TV. “If he really wants to cement his legacy and make big fights happen. At the end of the day, he’s fighting for money too. He gets paid a lot. I think if he wants to keep getting paid like this then this is the biggest fight to make. Boxing needs this fight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-i-feel-like-canelo-needs-me--179688

I think this is true, I mean who wouldn't want big money at the end of the day? And so if Canelo claiming to be one the best in this era then he should really give the young Benavidez at chance to fight him for money and legacy.

And it's good that we see this in media, so that Canelo will be pressure somewhat to listen to his fans and non-fans to give David a fight next year.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2023, 06:41:19 AM

Quote from: Jating on November 30, 2023, 05:24:06 AM

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

Canelo is done for this year, he'd made two successful fights this year and won via UD. He deserves a break and to enjoy with his family, but certainly he'll come back next year with a new fight, hopefully against someone who could really match him, like the fans will be puzzled a bit on who will win. I know against Benavidez the fans would stil favor Canelo, but at least they'll not think it's going ot be a one sided fight.

On the case about Canelo not fighting a fellow mexican, I think money can change this mind, so let's just watch out for that PATIENTLY. Grin

But most likely he will take his vacation to really think who he will really wanted to face next to defend his belt. If Benavidez is the interim champion WBC champion, then as the regular champion Canelo should honor and fight David.

And yes, I don't know what Canelo says that he doesn't want to fight a fellow Mexican when we all know that there are few Mexican that we know of that campaigns in his division or even none for that matter, this is just a excuse on his part.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2023, 06:41:19 AM

Quote from: Jating on November 30, 2023, 05:24:06 AM

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

Canelo is done for this year, he'd made two successful fights this year and won via UD. He deserves a break and to enjoy with his family, but certainly he'll come back next year with a new fight, hopefully against someone who could really match him, like the fans will be puzzled a bit on who will win. I know against Benavidez the fans would stil favor Canelo, but at least they'll not think it's going ot be a one sided fight.

Yes, most likely though he will have to take another long rest, usually he fights on Cinco De Mayo, as it's usually a weekend holiday, I expect that maybe next year he will announce who's fighter he is going to face and then have that at that preferred date of him.

Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2023, 06:41:19 AM

On the case about Canelo not fighting a fellow mexican, I think money can change this mind, so let's just watch out for that PATIENTLY. Grin

If the money is right on the table? yeah for sure he will chance his mind and fight Benavidez next, it's really up to how big the money is for him and definitely if David wanted to fight him, he will agree on a pay cut just to get that chance.

And speaking of that, I've seen title of Floyd Mayweather telling Canelo to do that as he also gave Canelo his chance to fight him when Alvarez was not even a house hold name and couldn't speak English if I remember it correctly. It was Oscar who gave him that big break coming into the America and being seen for the first time by the American crowd and boxing fans. They couldn't believe that he is Mexican because of how Canelo looks.

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Quote from: Jating on November 30, 2023, 05:24:06 AM

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

Canelo is done for this year, he'd made two successful fights this year and won via UD. He deserves a break and to enjoy with his family, but certainly he'll come back next year with a new fight, hopefully against someone who could really match him, like the fans will be puzzled a bit on who will win. I know against Benavidez the fans would stil favor Canelo, but at least they'll not think it's going ot be a one sided fight.

On the case about Canelo not fighting a fellow mexican, I think money can change this mind, so let's just watch out for that PATIENTLY. Grin

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^^ Of course their first choice is Canelo, but it seems that Canelo has the same reason why they don't want to fight David Morrell. So it will just go round in circles. So unless Canelo bring his oath of not fighting another Mexican, or think that David Benavidez deserves it with 2 great wins against Caleb Plant and Andrade, then it will be a go.

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

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Speaking of David Benavidez next opponent, here is what his father has to say,

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Jose Benavidez Sr. says WBA ‘regular’ super middleweight champion David Morrell needs to prove himself by defeating Caleb Plant before a fight between him and David Benavidez would make sense.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/jose-benavidez-sr-says-david-morrell-should-fight-caleb-plant-to-prove-himself/

So he literally shuts down the idea for his son to fight David Morrell although Morrell has the belts. And I don't know why the name of Caleb Plant has surfaces. But in any case it will be trash talking game if we imagine Plant vs the Charlo brothers.

This might be a good fight, boxers hating each other with animosity.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 28, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

Quote from: Jating on November 28, 2023, 04:05:47 PM

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

I read one article in my feed I'm trying to find that article so I can post it here but Benavidez is not on Canelo's list, his options are Munguia Crawford, Spence, and the other Charlo he just feels that Benavidez is not yet qualified to be on his list even though the boxing community and the Benavidez camp is demanding it, unless there's a big push for the fight to happen, Canelo will again cherry pick opponents and Benavidez will be looking for another fight to prove that he is the new king.

That's a questionable hit list for Canelo, and obviously this two, Crawford and Spence are 147 lbs, so just like Charlo he needs to go up 3 weight class, this is not what we expect from Canelo, but obviously good money fights. Munguia? Not another name fighter, so why he will give him that chance? Jermall his original target just won against a blown up 154 lbs in Benavidez Jr. It this is what Canelo wanted then it will be a big question on his legacy.

And fans are not going to agree with his choices here, we are clamoring him to give Benavidez a chance. And if he doesn't want to, then he is afraid of the young DB, in my opinion.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 28, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

Quote from: Jating on November 28, 2023, 04:05:47 PM

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

I read one article in my feed I'm trying to find that article so I can post it here but Benavidez is not on Canelo's list, his options are Munguia Crawford, Spence, and the other Charlo he just feels that Benavidez is not yet qualified to be on his list even though the boxing community and the Benavidez camp is demanding it, unless there's a big push for the fight to happen, Canelo will again cherry pick opponents and Benavidez will be looking for another fight to prove that he is the new king.

I believe that the Andrade fight is enough for Benavidez to qualify to be on his list because Andrade and Benavidez are two fighters that are being avoided by many boxers and Andrade took the risk to fight Benavidez because this is the fight to get into Canelo's list.

I think it's time for the boxing organizations to decide that Benavidez should be the mandatory opponent.

And If I also remember though, when Canelo sign with Al Haymon, it was reported that his target is Charlo (either of the twins), Benavidez and Morrell. So their could be changes for Canelo's 3 fight deal with PBC.

Benavidez also targets Munguia as well, and even to go as high as 175 lbs for Bivol and Beterbiev. Also another video of Benavidez surfaces when he was till very young at 18 years old and been a sparring partner of GGG and discusses the power of Golovkin that time.

So let's see why Canelo is still not interested to give Benavidez the chance to fight him.

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Quote from: Jating on November 28, 2023, 04:05:47 PM

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

I read one article in my feed I'm trying to find that article so I can post it here but Benavidez is not on Canelo's list, his options are Munguia Crawford, Spence, and the other Charlo he just feels that Benavidez is not yet qualified to be on his list even though the boxing community and the Benavidez camp is demanding it, unless there's a big push for the fight to happen, Canelo will again cherry pick opponents and Benavidez will be looking for another fight to prove that he is the new king.

I believe that the Andrade fight is enough for Benavidez to qualify to be on his list because Andrade and Benavidez are two fighters that are being avoided by many boxers and Andrade took the risk to fight Benavidez because this is the fight to get into Canelo's list.

I think it's time for the boxing organizations to decide that Benavidez should be the mandatory opponent.

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Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

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Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

Not sure what you meant, but Canelo and DB are in the same division. So if we go by your argument that Canelo will not go to 175 lbs, then the logical fighter he needs to face is DB. However, Benavidez Sr, says that if Canelo doesn't want to fight then his son might to up to face the 175 lbs in Bivol and Beterbiev.

Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

I say that he is no longer or maybe not so prime is the opponents that he has face, against a unknown John Ryder and fighting in his native Mexico, his performance is not that good as many other boxing pundits have noticed.

And his next fight against a blown up Charlo, who went 2 divisions up, so obviously Canelo win that one in a dominant fashion.

However, against a young DB in his prime? We will see if Canelo still has it.

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Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

Have you read this article
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/shawn-porter-says-benavidez-doesnt-need-canelo-alvarez/, This is a good read for those who think that it's possible to have a Canelo - Benavidez fight this is an insight from former welterweight Shawn Porter who I also think that Canelo has no intention of fighting Benavidez, he never mentioned in any of his interview of the possibility of meeting Benavidez in the ring.

I never doubt that Canelo is great but Benavidez is just too massive and far stronger and better than Canelo and the article presented the fact, but I still want to see the fight happen, if it happens it's going to be both fighters' biggest, and can be considered a legacy fight, Benavidez is very much willing it's just up to Canelo if he wants to fight him.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Have not watched the live fight but indeed that the fight isn't that exciting and enjoying because of how Andrade perform in this one .

Now I think this is the best waiting , to wait for Canelo fighting Benavidez , this is also the time to create another thread for the upcoming fight .

Congrats Benavidez , this is your fight and all angles pointing to you winning the bout.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and as expected Benavidez exploited the weakness of Andrade. Benavidez was not fazed by the signature volume punching of Andrade since he has a solid defense and has a quick enough reaction to counter and land devastating punches. As a result Andrade got stunned many times and even got KD. Instead of adjusting Andrade keep on doing the same thing that resulted to more injuries that make Andrade and his corner request to stop the fight during the break after the 6th round.

Have watched it also now mate and all you've said is right proving that it is not about How many punches the boxer can throw but how much he can deliver .
this also shows how strong and great benavidez to face Canelo .
maybe the interesting part now is about Canelo facing Benavidez , Want to save some funds to put a bet in this fight if happens .

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^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

As for the supporting bout of Benavidez Jr vs Charlo, it's uneventful, I mean Charlo came in over weight, so what you do you expect?

It's not going to be fair to Benavidez Jr and we all know that Jr is just a blow up 154 lbs fighter.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 26, 2023, 05:22:03 PM

I agree with the majority here,

a. Benavidez is real and Canelo should be threaten by now
b. Bigger and younger
c. Power in both hands, will pressure anyone at this division
d. Can go as high as 175 lbs and potential fought the 2 head Russian champions, Dmitri Bivol or Arthur Beterviev

So the question, how long will Canelo Alvarez avoid David Benavidez?

I am one of those who support the call of the boxing community for the Canelo - Benavidez fight to happen, but after stumbling over this article and reading the analysis of former welterweight champion Shawn Porter I come to believe that Canelo will continue to ignore Benavidez and will prefer to hang up his glove than fight David Benavidez because of his legacy and because he's been fighting for 20 years and he cannot keep up fighting a guy who has a massive size and has a cheat code in his body.
If ever they will fight Canelo will need to bring all his aces to fight a guy so massive and has never been tamed on all his 28 fights.

I'll keep this thread open for members here to prove Porter is wrong or right in his analysis.

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“We know that’s probably the biggest money fight that he [Benavidez] could have, but I just think that he’s better, he’s stronger, and he’s got too much youth. He’s got too much experience, and he’s got too much health,” Porter said. Porter is right. Benavidez doesn’t need Canelo because the boxing public already views him as superior to the small 5’8″, but only because of his youth and huge size advantage.

Source: Shawn Porter Says Benavidez Doesn't Need Canelo Alvarez - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/shawn-porter-says-benavidez-doesnt-need-canelo-alvarez/)

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I agree with the majority here,

a. Benavidez is real and Canelo should be threaten by now
b. Bigger and younger
c. Power in both hands, will pressure anyone at this division
d. Can go as high as 175 lbs and potential fought the 2 head Russian champions, Dmitri Bivol or Arthur Beterviev

So the question, how long will Canelo Alvarez avoid David Benavidez?

Also Charlo won by a UD against the younger Benavidez, and with his going overweight, it might be good as well to throw his name in the mix for 168 lbs. A good storyline as well for David Benavidez if ever they will consider Charlo as another opponent in the future, avenge his brother's lost.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 26, 2023, 01:46:39 AM

Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Have not watched the live fight but indeed that the fight isn't that exciting and enjoying because of how Andrade perform in this one .

Now I think this is the best waiting , to wait for Canelo fighting Benavidez , this is also the time to create another thread for the upcoming fight .

Congrats Benavidez , this is your fight and all angles pointing to you winning the bout.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and as expected Benavidez exploited the weakness of Andrade. Benavidez was not fazed by the signature volume punching of Andrade since he has a solid defense and has a quick enough reaction to counter and land devastating punches. As a result Andrade got stunned many times and even got KD. Instead of adjusting Andrade keep on doing the same thing that resulted to more injuries that make Andrade and his corner request to stop the fight during the break after the 6th round.

He really imposed his will in the beginning and not allow Andrade to established his. And as what others seen, he was relentless and pressure fighter, reminds me of when Margarito is at his prime fighting Miguel Cotto, prior to Margarito's being caught with plaster of paris.

So with that kind of no nonsense attack and really at your face all the time, Andrade was broken by Benavidez slowly every round. And you can see the expression on the face of Andrade that he is not responding to his corner giving him what to do. Benavidez is too big and too strong for him.

We will have to wait though before we can see if Canelo is going to fight Benavidez, make it official before someone creates a thread.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 26, 2023, 01:46:39 AM

Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Have not watched the live fight but indeed that the fight isn't that exciting and enjoying because of how Andrade perform in this one .

Now I think this is the best waiting , to wait for Canelo fighting Benavidez , this is also the time to create another thread for the upcoming fight .

Congrats Benavidez , this is your fight and all angles pointing to you winning the bout.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and as expected Benavidez exploited the weakness of Andrade. Benavidez was not fazed by the signature volume punching of Andrade since he has a solid defense and has a quick enough reaction to counter and land devastating punches. As a result Andrade got stunned many times and even got KD. Instead of adjusting Andrade keep on doing the same thing that resulted to more injuries that make Andrade and his corner request to stop the fight during the break after the 6th round.

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