David Benavidez Vs Demetrius Andrade Interim WBC Super Middleweight title fight - page 3.

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A win may result in a fight against the cash cow in Canelo Alvarez, so for sure, this is going to be a great fight.

Looking forward to that happening in the future.

Canelo has been waiting for a tough opponent and I find Benavidez a tough one that could possibly give a close fight against Canelo. This fight hopefully is a stepping stone for the big fight to happen, and although I believe that Benavidez would be listed as the underdog by our beloved bookies, I feel that this dog has a decent chance of upsetting Canelo.

Yeah, that's what we all wanted to see for Canelo, being tested again by a young fighter who is very ambitious like David Benavidez. And hopefully, Canelo will no longer hide on the reason that he doesn't want to face another Mexican, he has done if before throughout his career, so what makes it different this time?

And I do agree that when David said that Canelo should look good in his win against Charlo so that he can get back his confidence after a dismal performance against Ryder. And then he will give him the opportunity to fight him because of that. And that's what really happen, Canelo looks sharp against a fighting that goes up 2 weight class and then beat him. Now that he has his confidence back, all David can do is win in this fight and then call Canelo again and see if he will response for a big fight next year, Cinco de Mayo.

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Quote from: coin-investor on November 23, 2023, 10:29:42 AM

Two days before the fight I would like to summarize the general sentiment of some of the members here, only a few members voted including me but I'm 100% it is also the sentiment of the boxing community

Benavidez by KO   - 11 (91.7%)
Benavidez by UD   - 1 (8.3%)
Andrade BY KO   - 0 (0%)
Andrade BY UD   - 0 (0%)
DRAW   - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 12

So it's very clear here that Andrade has little or no chance at all you will make a lot of money if you bet for Andrade and he upsets Benavidez.
Benavidez is a huge favorite but that doesn't mean that Andrade will not give him a good fight and the fight will be boring because there's too much stake in this fight.

Yes, the sentiments as with Benavidez to win in this fight, I mean it make sense, he is the bigger guy and has the power to knockout out Andrade. What Andrade possesses is technical skills, but it's hard to overcome the physical advantage of David, unless Andrade is not going to get tired or not be hit by David.

So I will echo the sentiments of the boxing community.

And if you look at the betting line, Benavidez by KO or by decision is still very appealing, it's above 2.x odds as of now.

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Two days before the fight I would like to summarize the general sentiment of some of the members here, only a few members voted including me but I'm 100% it is also the sentiment of the boxing community

Benavidez by KO   - 11 (91.7%)
Benavidez by UD   - 1 (8.3%)
Andrade BY KO   - 0 (0%)
Andrade BY UD   - 0 (0%)
DRAW   - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 12

So it's very clear here that Andrade has little or no chance at all you will make a lot of money if you bet for Andrade and he upsets Benavidez.
Benavidez is a huge favorite but that doesn't mean that Andrade will not give him a good fight and the fight will be boring because there's too much stake in this fight.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 23, 2023, 06:50:00 AM

A win may result in a fight against the cash cow in Canelo Alvarez, so for sure, this is going to be a great fight.

Looking forward to that happening in the future.

Canelo has been waiting for a tough opponent and I find Benavidez a tough one that could possibly give a close fight against Canelo. This fight hopefully is a stepping stone for the big fight to happen, and although I believe that Benavidez would be listed as the underdog by our beloved bookies, I feel that this dog has a decent chance of upsetting Canelo.

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Well you just have to love Benavidez Jr during that press conference, it seems that he is really mad at his every opponent. Good to see that Charlo remains cool and yeah, another mind games and I think Charlo is the clear winner here.

The main event though is still very interesting, David Benavidez and Andrade knows what is on the line here.

A win may result in a fight against the cash cow in Canelo Alvarez, so for sure, this is going to be a great fight. And if Charlo vs Jr turns out to be also a entertaining fight then we got our money's worth.

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^^ Yes, there's more action and trash talking between Charlo and Benavidez,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99NVn1KX8Ec

For sure this will be the fight that everyone wanted to see, with such animosity and disdain against each other, we might see a knockout here.

Charlo though trying to be cool, but for sure he is very competitive and wanted to take that head off. I like what the host is doing though, he is adding fuel to the fire and putting words into their mouth for more hype. Or Charlo just playing mind games with the young Benavidez. And Andrade, stepping away every time Benavidez goes to their side as if saying I don't want none of that. Hehehehe.

So they took the face-off from the main card and make it their own. Grin

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So they are in a catchweight at 163? For sure Charlo can't make it to 160 lbs already without draining himself. And we have seen his twin brother going as high as 168 lbs and it seems he is perfectly fine. However, this brothers doesn't want to obviously in the same weight class, that's why Jermell is at 154 lbs, and Jermall at 160 lbs.

As for his fight with Benavidez Jr, yes, they love to trash talk and so this could be what boxing fans wanted to see. Although Boogeyman and David Benavidez is a good fight, curiosity could be on Jr vs Jermall and we wanted to see if Jermall still has what it takes after being out of the boxing ring for a long time due to mental problems. Also, wanted to see as well if Jr can back up all of his trash talking.

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David Benavidez says that this fight is still 50/50. And that's how he respect Demetrius Andrade and he even give credits Andrade for making the negotiations very easy, without any fuzz. And so this fight could be the biggest for Benavidez, and obviously, another step for Canelo which is their plan after all. And here is the live press conference, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHhusx2SCQ

If there is a trash talking in this fight, it's his brother against Charlo, here is the video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzf-TnKolE

And it's interesting that this fight is at 163 lbs? because as Benavidez Jr says, Charlo has gone through a lot (mental issues), but then attack him by saying that he doesn't have the discipline, LOL.

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^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

It's bad, and with what the current world economy is doing, everyone is really trying to save their money and this could be one reasons why there are a lot of fights that are not really making money in terms of PPV.

And if they increase the price then most likely boxing fans will have to retort to other methods of watching the fight, it could be some streams somewhere or even in some platform like Facebook wherein there are individuals too streaming high profile fights. But I do agree that this could be one reason that after many years, Sho suddenly shuts down their business because they are not making money anymore. So I doubt that the PPV that Manny and Floyd did before can be broken.

I'm not sure if it's because of the cost or if people just aren't as keen on shelling out for PPV these days. There's this other avenue where folks can catch the fight online for free....you know, those illegal streams that are all the rage now. If someone can get a link, they get to enjoy the fight without dropping a dime. Bumping up the PPV price might be the promoters' solution. Even with the increase, the folks who are really eager to watch would still be willing to spend over the cash. I mean, these are the folks who aren't really feeling the grasp of the economic struggle.

There are fans who even went to watch the fight live, and buying tickets in the thousands, and willing to spend that kind of money. So maybe there are still fans that can buy PPV, but obviously the numbers are going down since we went back to norm. We can't take into account that it's expensive for the majority of boxing fans, $70-$80 and up? that is exorbitant for a fight in my opinion. Unless it's really a great fight and there are hype around it.

But in this fight, there's none, both as we have observed, are respecting each other, so it didn't add up to the hype that most boxing fans are looking. At least a good storyline to begin with. So it's really hard to see how much this fight is going to made in terms of PPV numbers and it could be way below expectations. Plus as you have said, there are a lot of illegal streamers right now that are taking a cut on the profits.

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Quote from: btc_angela on November 19, 2023, 03:26:09 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on November 12, 2023, 11:07:56 PM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 12, 2023, 10:34:39 PM

^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

It's bad, and with what the current world economy is doing, everyone is really trying to save their money and this could be one reasons why there are a lot of fights that are not really making money in terms of PPV.

And if they increase the price then most likely boxing fans will have to retort to other methods of watching the fight, it could be some streams somewhere or even in some platform like Facebook wherein there are individuals too streaming high profile fights. But I do agree that this could be one reason that after many years, Sho suddenly shuts down their business because they are not making money anymore. So I doubt that the PPV that Manny and Floyd did before can be broken.

I'm not sure if it's because of the cost or if people just aren't as keen on shelling out for PPV these days. There's this other avenue where folks can catch the fight online for free....you know, those illegal streams that are all the rage now. If someone can get a link, they get to enjoy the fight without dropping a dime. Bumping up the PPV price might be the promoters' solution. Even with the increase, the folks who are really eager to watch would still be willing to spend over the cash. I mean, these are the folks who aren't really feeling the grasp of the economic struggle.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 12, 2023, 11:07:56 PM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 12, 2023, 10:34:39 PM

^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

It's bad, and with what the current world economy is doing, everyone is really trying to save their money and this could be one reasons why there are a lot of fights that are not really making money in terms of PPV.

And if they increase the price then most likely boxing fans will have to retort to other methods of watching the fight, it could be some streams somewhere or even in some platform like Facebook wherein there are individuals too streaming high profile fights. But I do agree that this could be one reason that after many years, Sho suddenly shuts down their business because they are not making money anymore. So I doubt that the PPV that Manny and Floyd did before can be broken.

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We are just about a week from this fight and most likely they have winded down their training so that they won't overtrain.

I still think that Benavidez will win this fight, no offense to Andrade, but he hasn't face a boxer that has the caliber of David. Yeah, seems that there's no hype in this fight as both are cordial against each other.

But this is going to be competitive and I wouldn't be surprised if Benavidez is the first person to knockout Andrade.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 12, 2023, 10:34:39 PM

^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 12, 2023, 12:08:11 PM

This fight is just weeks away, but I don't know, it is just me or others see that there are no hype in this fight? It could be because this two is showing respect with each other? And then in their interview, you will really hear that they don't talk against each other but instead focusing on what they want to do in the future, that is facing Canelo Alvarez. Both of them as far as we know are looking for Canelo in the future.

But I guess they need to have a storyline so that fans might go and watch this fight. As I will say that they are no PPV stars, although there are undercard that is good as well. Like in the Plant vs Benavidez, there is animosity and so it makes the fight more interesting as compare to this one which look very soft to me, just saying.

Benavidez says that if he wins this fight and Canelo is not available, he might go and fight Morrell as he had the WBA regular belt.

That's probably why Showtime is getting out of boxing at the end of the year. These fighters aren't household names and shouldn't be on PPV, but the purses they're demanding require that you charge fans so much money to watch them. Pushing everything to PPV limits the popularity of fighters like Benavidez and of the sport overall. Even a megafight like Crawford vs Spence only got 650k buys — which is really poor for a fight hyped up for many years — so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

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This fight is just weeks away, but I don't know, it is just me or others see that there are no hype in this fight? It could be because this two is showing respect with each other? And then in their interview, you will really hear that they don't talk against each other but instead focusing on what they want to do in the future, that is facing Canelo Alvarez. Both of them as far as we know are looking for Canelo in the future.

But I guess they need to have a storyline so that fans might go and watch this fight. As I will say that they are no PPV stars, although there are undercard that is good as well. Like in the Plant vs Benavidez, there is animosity and so it makes the fight more interesting as compare to this one which look very soft to me, just saying.

Benavidez says that if he wins this fight and Canelo is not available, he might go and fight Morrell as he had the WBA regular belt.

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Quote from: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 01:27:26 PM

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I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

It's pretty obvious that Benavidez badly wants Canelo because it's not only all the Super Middleweight titles are at stake here, but another title that is at stake here, and also a big title is the title of the greatest Mexican fighter, I believe Canelo Alvarez already achieved that and Benavidez wants to take that away.
And Canelo doesn't want this to happen, I'm sure Canelo is hoping that Andrade can upset Benavidez.

That is what I'm trying to say, Benavidez and his camp, really wanted Canelo, but Alvarez as of this time doesn't want to give Benavidez his dues and just hiding on a lot of excuses. But in order to put pressure on Canelo, he needs to win this one again in a knockout or at least should be very convincing that Canelo might give him a shot on all of his belts and no longer hide on his "doesn't want another Mexican" fight.

Quote from: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 01:27:26 PM

And if Benavidez wins convincingly Canelo has no excuse not to fight Benavidez, the boxing organizations and the boxing community will demand it, and if this happens I have a feeling that this is going to be the biggest Mexican fight since the Barrera - Morales fight, it is a fight for Mexico's pound for pound fighter, and the Mexican boxing community will be a thrill to have this fight happen.

100% agree on this, Maybe Canelo is afraid of David Benavidez and just hiding on excuses. But I doubt it though, but in any case, Benavidez should continue to fight and shows what he got and take that 0 of Andrade. That era though is very different, all Mexican great boxers really proved their point by fighting each other.

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Not sure if everyone has heard of Andre Berto before, he was one of the best 147 lbs about 10 years or more ago. He held the WBC belt before losing to Victor Ortiz.

And we will have his revenge to another man who beat him, Robert "The Ghost" Guererro, another good fighter in that era. But both of them are already way past their primes already and it jus surprises that this two are going to square it off.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/andre-berto-fighting-robert-guerrero-in-rematch-on-november-25th/

They will be on the undercard of Benavidez vs Andrade.

Berto’s been retired for 5 years and Guerrero should’ve stayed retired after announcing it 6 years ago. This fight really makes no sense. These old guys shouldn’t still be taking punishment. It’s a really bad look for the sport. They will never be contenders again and the money would be better invested in developing younger talent, which is something PBC really needs to improve on.

And it just shows how powerful Al Haymon is, I mean he can still inserted this fighters even if they seems to be no longer in their prime years. And they are like giving them a big favor as the paycheck will come to them, might be just in the 6 digits, but still that is a big numbers if they guys have retired for good already.

So not buying the whole revenge narrative, and even who wins in this fight, it should be no bearing for the rankings.

But at least either one of them will like to become a stepping stone for the young guys, then they might continue to fight at least one more.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 08, 2023, 07:06:11 PM

Not sure if everyone has heard of Andre Berto before, he was one of the best 147 lbs about 10 years or more ago. He held the WBC belt before losing to Victor Ortiz.

And we will have his revenge to another man who beat him, Robert "The Ghost" Guererro, another good fighter in that era. But both of them are already way past their primes already and it jus surprises that this two are going to square it off.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/andre-berto-fighting-robert-guerrero-in-rematch-on-november-25th/

They will be on the undercard of Benavidez vs Andrade.

Berto’s been retired for 5 years and Guerrero should’ve stayed retired after announcing it 6 years ago. This fight really makes no sense. These old guys shouldn’t still be taking punishment. It’s a really bad look for the sport. They will never be contenders again and the money would be better invested in developing younger talent, which is something PBC really needs to improve on.

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^^ Yeah, familiar with Berto and I will say that his he was like Broner, minus the trash talking. He had a good skills back then and if I remember correctly, he is supposedly to fight Mosley then, after Mosley beat Margarito. But a big earth quake hits Haiti (where Andre's family came from), so he has to go there and raise money for the country.

And after that, he goes back fighting but it seems that he has lost his hype already. He was one of Floyd's hit list and so they fought. But we all know that nobody beats Mayweather and so Berto looks very amateurish in that fight.

Obviously this is for the money and not for the revenge against another old fighter in Guererro. I don't know how this old boxers can still get a fight in a very good match like this one.

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Not sure if everyone has heard of Andre Berto before, he was one of the best 147 lbs about 10 years or more ago. He held the WBC belt before losing to Victor Ortiz.

And we will have his revenge to another man who beat him, Robert "The Ghost" Guererro, another good fighter in that era. But both of them are already way past their primes already and it jus surprises that this two are going to square it off.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/andre-berto-fighting-robert-guerrero-in-rematch-on-november-25th/

They will be on the undercard of Benavidez vs Andrade.

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