Topic: Death Penalty for Drug Smuggler (Read 2830 times)

I think its totally messed up over the top law.  The problem is not smuggling drugs, producing drugs etc.  The problem is in the taking of drugs from people who dont know what they are doing.

Someone with better english writing, explaining exactly my views on this....

dear izanagi, thank you very much for your opinions. Sincerely I appreciate it and value it very much. It's dear to my heart so thank you again for bringing this subject.  . yes, but you, simply.

Normally I wouldn't have let you understand. But I don't know why, I love to know that you and your like will know. Why, it's like a wave, you can't stop it, only your defenses will be grinded, inch by inch until there is the path cleared (or flashed at once, what ever). What Path shall you ask. A path that can't be blocked, the path of life.

Understand that I thank you for having felt in the trap, at the right time, at the right place...


Dear Furio, yes it's a total violation of the path of life. On this Earth there are only 2 country where I can understand a certain ban on certain usages of certain plants, Saudi Arabia, as the birth place of Islam, and China due to past internal problems.

And dear justinetime,

Deadlier Armies = weaker armies lifestyle is folded or annihilated.

I have to go, on a shopping spree... me that thought that would be used only once . what a fools...

key word : preventive warfare - all plants are part of the creation - fight the plants, fight the keepers - you are just humans, the butterflies - you stayed, you assume.

Curiosity, scepticism and to question everything is something which brings the world forward. If there were nothing like this, Bitcoin wouldn't exist. People still would believe that the earth may be flat and someone paints the stars at the sky.

Defending the death penalty, imho, means that there is a total lack of curiosity and scepticism. It is a total believe that the judical and political system always are right. Such a belief is the enemy of change.

Have you ever thought about how quick a law may change? What if your government would decide that persons involved in Bitcoin deserve death penalty because of "market places" like Silk Road? Would you cheer this?

However, there are two issues: Drugs and death penalty.

Death penalty doesn't change anything. People are killed in the USA. Has this any effect? No. Canada, for example, had the death penalty. Funny enough: Once it was abolished, the murder rate sunk. So making a correlation between death penalty and crime rate is utterly wrong. Beside this: A country prohibits killing and kills? Do you know how many people are being killed for political reasons, yet disguised as "crime". Or how many poor are killed for crimes, while rich people get away with just the same? Death penalty is unjust, unrevokable and whoever supports it also supports the fact that innocent may be killed - in their name. Unless you have a total believe in the judical and political system - just as many Nazis had.

Now regarding drugs: I don't take any - well, not true: I do smoke cigarettes and, from time to time, drink a glass of wine. Depending on where I live, this could put me in danger. It is a cultural question what is seen as drug and what not. In Switzerland, Absinth was put on a drug list for many years. If you do your research, you'll find out it wasn't because of the danger of Absinth, but because the producers of beer and wine were afraid to lose parts of the business.

In Europe, Cannabis was legal for many years, and in some parts of my country, farmers still smoke their "good night"-pipe every evening. Until about 100 years ago, Cannabis was sold in pharmacies - so was heroine, cocaine and a lot more. It was mainly a political reason why it was put on the prohibition list. And speaking about political reasons: Why do you wish the death penalty for drug traffickers but don't ask your government to do the same on the bankers who make a lot of money out of the proceedings? Why don't you ask for the death penalty for all the officers of the Indonesian army who are deeply involved into drug smuggling? Because they are the same who influcence the legal system which is sentencing people to death...

It is pure hypocrisy to support the death penalty for these guys and at the same time support the political, legal and judical system which is involved in drug trafficking.

I think that you won't keep your family out of drugs because there are no drugs on the market. Never ever. You can kill all the actual trafficants, in  no-time you will have new people taking their place.

Please educate you childrens properly, don't ask the state to keep them out of troubles, because the state will fail miserably (and probably will end up with your sons in prison).

They smug about 8,3 kg HEROIN to bring out of BALI , for my law that were very very heavy weight.
Because of that he must be heavily punish.

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Don't let our family close to these

Different country = different rules
Rules evolved because in different countries there are different habits, different ways of life.

Why is that mate , op is just copying from the internet what he read .
He is giving his opinion like everyone else here and you should respect that .

- madness

Sadly, OP is not a human.

Don't forget that they are providing something people want. It may not be for you, but every society does drugs. It could be a dangerous drug like alcohol or something less harmful like weed. It is even older than humanity.
We do agree that prison for drug users is a waste though.

If your opinion stems only from an economic argument, you might want to see these: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty, http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work, and http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/20/california-death-penalty-execution-costs. Also, notice that in for-profit prisons, inmates are basically used as slave labor - sure it's not labor to enrich society at large, only the pockets of the fat cats.

They should have death penalties in the united states, reduces the costs we need to pay for these criminals to stay alive, not contributing anything to the society and only taking away from it. Don't know why we are wasting tens of (hundreds for some prisons) thousands of dollars per year per inmate of tax money.

They show nudity on TV in many western (non-US) countries, other than a premium cable channel that is. As far as I can tell, the difference is the Religious Right is absent in those countries to inflict their personal sense of shame and prudishness on an entire nation.

Well, we're talking about penalties for civilians in custody here, not for war criminals. But without going too much in that direction, even in some of those cases you mention, like preventing desertion and such, I wouldn't support the death penalty.

Now, to be honest, I'm not all that familiar with the situation in Indonesia, but I'm not sure "a war on drugs" is the right solution. There are a few countries that either have already or are moving towards decriminalizing drug use, though probably only some types (at least initially) - is there any reason this wouldn't be a better approach? I'm not sure popular opinion there would support moving in this direction, but hypothetically...

Also, it's true they might not have the resources to handle imprisoning more people, but that just hints at a larger problem - and also to touch upon (oYo)'s idea of having "the bleeding hearts" pay for imprisonment and rehabilitation: as far as I'm aware, at least in the US, executions end up costing far more than any other type of sentence. This isn't directly because of the cost of executing someone, of course, that's pretty cheap, but rather due to legal costs during trial, appeals, and so on. And considering someone's life is on the line, I wouldn't want those safeguards to be removed, which would just lead to even more innocent people being executed than already are.

Finally, and to address (oYo)'s hypothetical situation, a couple of points:

- There are more ways than just one to deal with those situations, or at least help prevent them: removing the monetary incentive those actions have, and improving people's living conditions could be a good starting place.
- Many of those people are from very poor backgrounds, and others probably had their own lives destroyed at one point - as far as I know, you can't pin criminal activity on genetics alone. That isn't to say there shouldn't be consequences to their actions, but they aren't inhuman monsters that need to be eradicated at first site.
- I'm not sure rehabilitation doesn't work in those cases; I've never seen evidence to support that. Now, if you're talking about for-profit prisons and the like, then we have another problem altogether.

Drug laws are like nudity laws. They come from people who think they should decide how I should live. They make no sense at all. That is why I can watch 20 sadistic murders on TV each night while drunk to the point of death. But I can't smoke a harmless weed or see a nipple on TV. It's mind control and the freedom to explore new ideas could lead to change. OMG, not change!

Killing doesn't undo anything that's been done, so there's no reason for it. Because all people are born equal, no person can ever assume the right to take life over another person.

Says who mate ? A serial killer don't give a shit about other peoples life , so why would people give a shit about his life ? If he don't care about people rights then simply people don't care about his right .
What if someone killed your father,mother , brother whatever ... you won't seek for revenge or at least make sure he die with death penalty ?
~ Madness.

Simplest answer: Because your right to life is absolute. No person or group of persons has the right to take it from you.

If you don't mind my question ... why is that , it's not like goverments are the good people .
and what do you expect from goverments to do for Pedophiles who rape kids , for a serial killer ... we shouldn't kill those too ?

~ Madness.