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November 16, 2020, 03:16:04 AM
#70
I'm seeing banks as not completely dying once bitcoin gains traction over mainstream media but wiuld take measures to integrate themselves to the new world. Like what the OP stated, they can set a buy crypto with us now, pay it later scheme to help investors jumpstart or boost their portfolios while still keeping their commerce alive. They wouldn't be easy to go down especially if we consider the fact that most banks have been here before our grandmas were born. Not that it's a good thing, but not a bad thing either. So unless we create or discover a complete replacement for banks, this is what I assume will be the case for the years to come.
I agree with you banks will switch to lending cryptocurrency one of the options is shown
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54966182
The proposed project has a solution for lending cryptocurrencies backed by smart contract tokens without fear of losing financial assets in the event of negative market volatility.
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November 13, 2020, 01:00:10 PM
#69
If ever Bitcoin in the near future will become a world currency, I guess in your statement you were right that all bank companies in  the whole world will be gone for sure. Because ever payment options will be based on Bitcoin transaction. And about debt, I don't know actually, if that happens, but one thing for sure I know is that Bitcoin will really be spike for sure in the future.
i dont think it can because theres so many countries that ban bitcoin but if let say all countries are now legalizing btc i still dont think that banks will be closed because bitcoin supply is not unlimited but money printing can be and banks are the only one that can do that . about debt , it can always happen to most of us that are in tight situation  but debts cant make the price rise because people are going to have a hard time buying a coin if they have debt and they are also going to sell thier coin for cash to pay the debt .
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November 13, 2020, 07:21:24 AM
#68
If ever Bitcoin in the near future will become a world currency, I guess in your statement you were right that all bank companies in  the whole world will be gone for sure. Because ever payment options will be based on Bitcoin transaction. And about debt, I don't know actually, if that happens, but one thing for sure I know is that Bitcoin will really be spike for sure in the future.
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November 13, 2020, 06:12:53 AM
#67
Of course, the dept is something very bad and brings nothing but troubles.
That happens when loans/debts are taken without prior planning of how you should return it and what are your plans on using the money you took to get something extra out of it. If you see you would earn less than the interest you will pay then obviously don't take a loan.

I had a lot of problems as I decided to buy a car in dept, but the problem was I had no money to pay for my debt, and only in three months I started receiving calls from a debt collecting company.
Don't mind me saying but that is the worst attitude, not having backup and taking loan to buy a car is like
'let's enjoy today , what happens tomorrow, I don't care!'

They called me unstoppable. It was not right as they did not give me a quiet day. Thankfully I found a law company that helped me resolve all the problems as my rights have been violated. If you have the same problem, I think it would be helpful for you to check the site I am talking about. So if you are interested, just check how works. Stay safe and have a  wonderful day!
You are lucky that you came out of this because it is nearly impossible when you don't have earnings and you spend like a king without thinking of future consequences.
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November 11, 2020, 06:01:45 PM
#66
I'm seeing banks as not completely dying once bitcoin gains traction over mainstream media but wiuld take measures to integrate themselves to the new world. Like what the OP stated, they can set a buy crypto with us now, pay it later scheme to help investors jumpstart or boost their portfolios while still keeping their commerce alive. They wouldn't be easy to go down especially if we consider the fact that most banks have been here before our grandmas were born. Not that it's a good thing, but not a bad thing either. So unless we create or discover a complete replacement for banks, this is what I assume will be the case for the years to come.
It seems that even now payment transactions and payment acceptance are not the main source of income for modern banks, so I think the idea of a threat to the banking sector coming from cryptocurrencies looks a little far-fetched. There are payment services for such things, and that's where you can look for potential conflicts of interest. Banks, as financial organizations that accumulate financial resources and issue the necessary amount to their customers, remain afloat and, if allowed by regulatory state organizations, will also lend cryptocurrencies.
Of course, if only relying on payments and receiving payments will not make the bank grow and become a bank with very much wealth, the bank must increase its use to get a lot of money, by providing credit, loan, capital and other offers, essentially giving money to them. customers with a few percent interest, well the bank will benefit from a percentage of the interest.
legendary
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November 11, 2020, 05:54:58 PM
#65
I'm seeing banks as not completely dying once bitcoin gains traction over mainstream media but wiuld take measures to integrate themselves to the new world. Like what the OP stated, they can set a buy crypto with us now, pay it later scheme to help investors jumpstart or boost their portfolios while still keeping their commerce alive. They wouldn't be easy to go down especially if we consider the fact that most banks have been here before our grandmas were born. Not that it's a good thing, but not a bad thing either. So unless we create or discover a complete replacement for banks, this is what I assume will be the case for the years to come.
It seems that even now payment transactions and payment acceptance are not the main source of income for modern banks, so I think the idea of a threat to the banking sector coming from cryptocurrencies looks a little far-fetched. There are payment services for such things, and that's where you can look for potential conflicts of interest. Banks, as financial organizations that accumulate financial resources and issue the necessary amount to their customers, remain afloat and, if allowed by regulatory state organizations, will also lend cryptocurrencies.
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November 11, 2020, 05:34:35 PM
#64
I'm seeing banks as not completely dying once bitcoin gains traction over mainstream media but wiuld take measures to integrate themselves to the new world. Like what the OP stated, they can set a buy crypto with us now, pay it later scheme to help investors jumpstart or boost their portfolios while still keeping their commerce alive. They wouldn't be easy to go down especially if we consider the fact that most banks have been here before our grandmas were born. Not that it's a good thing, but not a bad thing either. So unless we create or discover a complete replacement for banks, this is what I assume will be the case for the years to come.
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November 11, 2020, 04:35:50 PM
#63
The banking system has to be treated separately when we talk about crypto. Because it is a system that is being replaced little by little by the defis. In these cases of uses the bank does not participate. There are already debit cards loaded with crypto designed especially for users, there are loans whose support that users have are cryptos. The bank would have to take a big step to offer its users traditional crypto-backed services.
That is the great thing about defis that I am very much in love with nowadays, they have created a blockchain that could actually represent people like banks without the need of authority and centralization. One day we are going to have something that is so decentralized and in a way that does everything a bank does that people will stop needing banks and I think that will be the day when we are actually doing awesome.

Banks are the only reason why I got involved with crypto and it is going to stay that way, I am using a digital bank now and I do not have any physical space for my bank, and that was a big improvement for me, if I can stop with that and move fully towards having a decentralized situation without any banks but still able to use my money everywhere I go? That would be insane.
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November 10, 2020, 08:07:26 AM
#62
I was wondering what everybody's thoughts were on issuing debt based on cryptocurrency. Debt is an extremely important factor for economies to grow. In a simple example, very few people would actually be able to purchase a house without debt. If you can't purchase large cost items like cars and houses, to name a few, the economy will literally collapse. Not to mention that transportation would become a very big problem. There's more examples to be made for starting businesses and many more but I won't discuss that in my original post.

Cryptocurrency is not inherently a debt instrument and cannot simply be "printed" or issued past its limit. I know a lot of people here feel that banks should die and banks are evil, but realistically I don't see how an economy can survive without debt instruments and issuers. If Bitcoin does replace all currency, does this mean that banks will collapse, or issue their own cryptocurrency to 'lend coins' to people who would like to make a big purchase and pay it off over time? Would it even be possible to pay interest back on a large scale if a coin has a finite supply? If there is 21 million Bitcoin in debt lent out and circulating, how could there possibly be a way to collect more than that by the bank. Would multiple cryptocurrencies solve a problem like that, or would it mean that the debt just gets pushed off onto some other coin and then also onto another infinitely?

I love Bitcoin and all this technology, however I have not theorized a way in which it can completely rework debt instruments and the institutions that supply them. IE: Banks.

Would love to have a discussion going on this topic. I have pretty limited economic logic!

I agree with you that banks are not really evil because these central organizations are the ones behind why the economy of each country is still intact. Without banks, many countries would collapse because majority relies on the debts.

Debts aren’t necessarily bad. It just depends on how the debtor manages and allocate the money he borrowed from the banks. There are good debts and bad debts. The bad debts are those that does not bring income and are just spent over expensive and non-essential things or projects. On the other hand, good debts are those that generate income and are spent over important things, projects, and programs so that the citizens can benefit.

In crypto world, I think there’s already existing some sort of process like those of banks where they could borrow certain crypto. I’ve read a thread in marketplace perhaps where the users here can borrow any as long as their account has reputable history such as good no negative tags, much better if it has trust, and is already at high rank (been in crypto world for a long time). In addition, the user must post in the thread how much he wants to borrow, the span of time he can repay, and of course a collateral so that it’s guaranteed to be paid by the borrower.
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November 07, 2020, 06:04:11 PM
#61
The banking system has to be treated separately when we talk about crypto. Because it is a system that is being replaced little by little by the defis. In these cases of uses the bank does not participate. There are already debit cards loaded with crypto designed especially for users, there are loans whose support that users have are cryptos. The bank would have to take a big step to offer its users traditional crypto-backed services.
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November 07, 2020, 08:05:40 AM
#60

Cryptocurrency is not inherently a debt instrument and cannot simply be "printed" or issued past its limit. I know a lot of people here feel that banks should die and banks are evil, but realistically I don't see how an economy can survive without debt instruments and issuers. If Bitcoin does replace all currency, does this mean that banks will collapse, or issue their own cryptocurrency to 'lend coins' to people who would like to make a big purchase and pay it off over time? Would it even be possible to pay interest back on a large scale if a coin has a finite supply? If there is 21 million Bitcoin in debt lent out and circulating, how could there possibly be a way to collect more than that by the bank. Would multiple cryptocurrencies solve a problem like that, or would it mean that the debt just gets pushed off onto some other coin and then also onto another infinitely?

Would love to have a discussion going on this topic. I have pretty limited economic logic!
This matter I have been thinking for a long time and I have come to my conclusion. I think that due to the lack of transparency and the lack of headquarters, lending online will also be very difficult. Obviously, those businesses cannot recover debtors who don't want to pay off debt Smiley
In addition, due to legal issues in each country, Cryptocurrency cannot easily be operated comfortably.
Those are the great challenges that no government has the best solution to that problem. So lending Bitcoin is not possible at the moment and I believe that Bitcoin is not yet able to replace banks. Smiley
sr. member
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November 07, 2020, 06:48:47 AM
#59
Crypto is not a banking system, it is not compared to what you can do with credit cards or loans or anything like that, you do not get mortgage to buy a house from "dollar", that is the thing you use to buy and not place where you get the loan. Crypto is equal to dollars in this example, or if you want gold, because we call it digital gold for its limited nature, and you do not care about debt of your dollar and how you will pay it back to anything related to dollar itself, you do it towards banks that gave you that loan.

It means, if one day we move towards a lot more crypto world, you could always have banks that issue crypto loans. Why do we not have proper crypto loans right now? Because there is no regulations about it, the moment governments allow banks to issue crypto loans where if you do not pay back you will have a seize of your assets, we could always have that, just like dollars.
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November 05, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
#58
Bitcoin is a really good thing and every one of us here loves Bitcoin for so many reasons. But I have never for once thought that the Bitcoin will replace our currencies, nope I have never had that kind of thought, maybe I see it differently from the way other people are seeing it.

I still believe that it will gain huge adoption but not the way some people here do describe it, I just think it will become a normal thing in the online world, an asset that people are going to love, most especially because they can transact money easily without stress and within few minutes (though it can be hours sometimes).
sr. member
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November 05, 2020, 11:44:22 AM
#57
everyone has a different point of view. and this time with the opening topic providing an opportunity for sharing, both experience and knowledge of debt, both in the banking sector and others.
As for from my personal point of view, in the case of bank problems, if applied to a cryptocurrency loan this is quite neutralized appropriately, where there will be most of the bitcoins, whereas to make payments there is a huge risk if the additional interest is around 2.5%. imagine what the total must be paid. this is going to be more difficult. but in terms of a different understanding with a long time interval we will invest in bitcoin with a fairly large profit as well.
legendary
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March 23, 2018, 06:55:32 AM
#56
It will be quite tricky to give out debts in cryptocurrency but with enough data and planning I think it's possible. Banks found a way to do it and collect on payments, someone could figure out a way to do the same with crypto. It would need mass adoption first though and you would have to have crypto wallets linked to ssn so payments can be collected from the debtors.
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March 23, 2018, 06:44:06 AM
#55
I was wondering what everybody's thoughts were on issuing debt based on cryptocurrency. Debt is an extremely important factor for economies to grow. In a simple example, very few people would actually be able to purchase a house without debt. If you can't purchase large cost items like cars and houses, to name a few, the economy will literally collapse. Not to mention that transportation would become a very big problem. There's more examples to be made for starting businesses and many more but I won't discuss that in my original post.

Cryptocurrency is not inherently a debt instrument and cannot simply be "printed" or issued past its limit. I know a lot of people here feel that banks should die and banks are evil, but realistically I don't see how an economy can survive without debt instruments and issuers. If Bitcoin does replace all currency, does this mean that banks will collapse, or issue their own cryptocurrency to 'lend coins' to people who would like to make a big purchase and pay it off over time? Would it even be possible to pay interest back on a large scale if a coin has a finite supply? If there is 21 million Bitcoin in debt lent out and circulating, how could there possibly be a way to collect more than that by the bank. Would multiple cryptocurrencies solve a problem like that, or would it mean that the debt just gets pushed off onto some other coin and then also onto another infinitely?

I love Bitcoin and all this technology, however I have not theorized a way in which it can completely rework debt instruments and the institutions that supply them. IE: Banks.

Would love to have a discussion going on this topic. I have pretty limited economic logic!
the problem is quite complicated when the relationship between the bank and crypto, there are banks that do not accept and there are also banks that accept, it is difficult to solve it, I think we can change some alternatives from bitcoin into money, many applications that provide it only possible tax will be great that we get
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March 23, 2018, 06:33:27 AM
#54
I was wondering what everybody's thoughts were on issuing debt based on cryptocurrency. Debt is an extremely important factor for economies to grow. In a simple example, very few people would actually be able to purchase a house without debt. If you can't purchase large cost items like cars and houses, to name a few, the economy will literally collapse. Not to mention that transportation would become a very big problem. There's more examples to be made for starting businesses and many more but I won't discuss that in my original post.

Cryptocurrency is not inherently a debt instrument and cannot simply be "printed" or issued past its limit. I know a lot of people here feel that banks should die and banks are evil, but realistically I don't see how an economy can survive without debt instruments and issuers. If Bitcoin does replace all currency, does this mean that banks will collapse, or issue their own cryptocurrency to 'lend coins' to people who would like to make a big purchase and pay it off over time? Would it even be possible to pay interest back on a large scale if a coin has a finite supply? If there is 21 million Bitcoin in debt lent out and circulating, how could there possibly be a way to collect more than that by the bank. Would multiple cryptocurrencies solve a problem like that, or would it mean that the debt just gets pushed off onto some other coin and then also onto another infinitely?

I love Bitcoin and all this technology, however I have not theorized a way in which it can completely rework debt instruments and the institutions that supply them. IE: Banks.

Would love to have a discussion going on this topic. I have pretty limited economic logic!
If that is the case, just like the fiat money, I think it is possible for cryptocurrency to be loaned. Maybe there are some investors there have their bitcoins loaned. I just cannot imagine how it works to think that the value of the coins is volatile.
newbie
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March 23, 2018, 06:19:46 AM
#53
To tell you the truth I would not like be a person who is going to lend in cryptocurrency. Just imagine. You have lent 1 BTC when it was about 2000USD and even now bitcoin value is about 8500 USD...
sr. member
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March 07, 2018, 05:41:23 AM
#52
I see debt as a poison that slowly but surely has become a tool that allows the upper layer to suppress the lower class of the society. We're living in a system that's purely based on debt, and build up with debt. Central banks keep printing money like it's nothing, just to keep the economy going. People are able to take out loans and mortgages that don't represent their own financial capabilities, which basically means that financial institutions are willingly putting people into debt. I am anti any form of debt, and handle the main principle being that if you don't have the money for it, don't buy it.

Technically there are certain ways to allow whatever entity to issue certain crypto tokens endlessly, just like central banks are able to print money, but that doesn't change anything from the fact that you're not improving anything. The only thing you're doing is relocate the problem and give it a different name. Nah, debt in whatever form of shape is poison.

I agree with your views on debt. Debt is truly a modern tool for slavery by willing victims...in fact people are so eager to get into debt with some level of excitement (symptoms of greed and being a victim of our over-commercialized world). The debtor is always under the choke of the one giving off the debt, generally speaking. However, if properly managed and in good terms debts can be having positive impacts too. In fact, we have to get into a balanced state otherwise we can get burdened by things we should be avoiding with.
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March 07, 2018, 05:32:50 AM
#51
I was wondering what everybody's thoughts were on issuing debt based on cryptocurrency. Debt is an extremely important factor for economies to grow. In a simple example, very few people would actually be able to purchase a house without debt. If you can't purchase large cost items like cars and houses, to name a few, the economy will literally collapse. Not to mention that transportation would become a very big problem. There's more examples to be made for starting businesses and many more but I won't discuss that in my original post.

Cryptocurrency is not inherently a debt instrument and cannot simply be "printed" or issued past its limit. I know a lot of people here feel that banks should die and banks are evil, but realistically I don't see how an economy can survive without debt instruments and issuers. If Bitcoin does replace all currency, does this mean that banks will collapse, or issue their own cryptocurrency to 'lend coins' to people who would like to make a big purchase and pay it off over time? Would it even be possible to pay interest back on a large scale if a coin has a finite supply? If there is 21 million Bitcoin in debt lent out and circulating, how could there possibly be a way to collect more than that by the bank. Would multiple cryptocurrencies solve a problem like that, or would it mean that the debt just gets pushed off onto some other coin and then also onto another infinitely?

I love Bitcoin and all this technology, however I have not theorized a way in which it can completely rework debt instruments and the institutions that supply them. IE: Banks.

Would love to have a discussion going on this topic. I have pretty limited economic logic!
if for example there is a bitcoin loan for the supply of 21 million bitcoin, and for those users who want to debt on a large scale and with a certain period of time, interest on a considerable scale will make them object.

okay if there is a significant increase of bitcoin and some people who owe can benefit and pay back to pay the interest.

but if for example the bitcoin price actually goes down, it will make their load bigger, we know that bitcoin is fluctuating, so we can not predict the price well, and of course the determination of interest here will also be a bit difficult. bitcoin parties also certainly do not want users to get a lot of losses.
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