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Topic: Decentralized exchange Bitsquare crowdfunding campain now live! - page 3. (Read 4102 times)

hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley

Prefer? Ther is no decentralized alternative yet out.

There is Ripple, it's been two years, and its working great. Oh no, wait, TradeFortress said it was a scam, and we are supposed to follow and herd around any troll who sounds like a Bitcoin fundamentalist. I forgot here is Bitcointalk, my apologies.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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Current status: 29 pledgers and 22% funded.

Keep it up folks!
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
I want to exchange 100 btc for dollars in the USA right away. Can this exchange do that? How would it happen and what would I need to do? Are you licensed to do it? Explain it to me like I'm 5.
full member
Activity: 207
Merit: 100
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley
there is not any decentralized exchange yet

bitshares is a decentralized exchange

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

Its not Fiat. IOU are not Fiat.

You do realize that if you have your money in bank, exchange or on paypal that you have an IOU for fiat.

The stable currencies on the bitshares block chain are not IOUs from a centralized entity, it is an IOU from the block chain that is backed by more the 2x its value in a liquid collateral and earns interest. If you understand how a bank works than you understand that you can automate the functionality of it on the block chain. That is you can create a collateralized debt instrument that is enforced by the block chain and is not subject to counterparty risk.

We don't want fiat, we just want the price stability of fiat and to not really on opaque financial intermediaries that can lose or seize our money.  
k99
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Activity: 346
Merit: 255
Manfred Karrer
150,000 readers? They are only needed 567 donators (with minimum 0.175 BTC ) to fund the next version of Bitsquare! - P2P exchange
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tlfi5/150000_readers_they_are_only_needed_567_donators

Just trying to give it even more voice Smiley

Thanks HostFat!
staff
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1209
I support freedom of choice
150,000 readers? They are only needed 567 donators (with minimum 0.175 BTC ) to fund the next version of Bitsquare! - P2P exchange
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tlfi5/150000_readers_they_are_only_needed_567_donators

Just trying to give it even more voice Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1004
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley
there is not any decentralized exchange yet

bitshares is a decentralized exchange

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

and why the people are not using it and they do still prefer centralized shit exchangers?
Too complicated, mr old man investor just wants to log in and spend some money in the broker like they do in forex, thats why the Gemini exchange makes sense, unless they fail at running it and it becomes another centralized fail.


is it not Bitcoin about liberty, anonymity, freedom, no centralized authority? Gemini makes sense in what why? it will be a MSB exchanger....which will MUST require a lot of documents and they will report to IRS and  other tax authorities.

Why would someone still use Bitcoin when he/she has a huge market outside of Bitcoin where the forex/brokers are requesting the same documents.
k99
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Activity: 346
Merit: 255
Manfred Karrer
i installed it but why do i need to enter an emailaddress?

and even when i enter one, i cant sent the funds (cant "confirm")  Embarrassed

Email is only important if you donate >= 1 BTC so we can contact you for shipping the reward (wood wallet). Otherwise enter anything there...

There is a user guide on the Lighthouse page if you have troubles: https://www.vinumeris.com/lighthouse/usage
If you can explain more in details or send a screenshot I might help more.
k99
sr. member
Activity: 346
Merit: 255
Manfred Karrer
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley
there is not any decentralized exchange yet

bitshares is a decentralized exchange

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

Its not Fiat. IOU are not Fiat.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
--------------->¿?
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley
there is not any decentralized exchange yet

bitshares is a decentralized exchange

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

and why the people are not using it and they do still prefer centralized shit exchangers?
Too complicated, mr old man investor just wants to log in and spend some money in the broker like they do in forex, thats why the Gemini exchange makes sense, unless they fail at running it and it becomes another centralized fail.

Mr old man investor doesn't have the same need than honeybadger.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1028
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley
there is not any decentralized exchange yet

bitshares is a decentralized exchange

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

and why the people are not using it and they do still prefer centralized shit exchangers?
Too complicated, mr old man investor just wants to log in and spend some money in the broker like they do in forex, thats why the Gemini exchange makes sense, unless they fail at running it and it becomes another centralized fail.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1004
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley
there is not any decentralized exchange yet

bitshares is a decentralized exchange

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

and why the people are not using it and they do still prefer centralized shit exchangers?
full member
Activity: 207
Merit: 100
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley
there is not any decentralized exchange yet

bitshares is a decentralized exchange

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1014
In Satoshi I Trust
i installed it but why do i need to enter an emailaddress?

and even when i enter one, i cant sent the funds (cant "confirm")  Embarrassed
k99
sr. member
Activity: 346
Merit: 255
Manfred Karrer
Is there some sort of a ticker somewhere to see how much there is collected?

If you download the Lighthose app and import our project file you can view the current pledges. At the moment we have 13 pledges and 20.5 BTC.
A generous 10 BTC from Olivier Janssens as well as a donation from Mike Hearn.
k99
sr. member
Activity: 346
Merit: 255
Manfred Karrer
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

The main concern I see with Coinffeine is that they use that micropayment on the Fiat side, that means you have a high number of small fiat payments between 2 accounts of the same payment processor.
That is a pattern which even the dumbest monitoring system will be able to track and so the payment processor or bank will know exactly that those 2 account holders are involved in a BTC exchange.
Who else make hundreds of 1 EUR payents in 1 minute?

So the Single point of failure test will fail as you are dependent on that payment processor/bank to support bitcoin and you lose your privacy.
Furthermore it is limited to OKPay so both traders need an account there. They plan to add more paymnet options/banks, but I cannot image that there will be a big variety (they need an open banking API which is normally not available beside a few modern payment processors). Also I think it will not be possible between different banks due the cost structure of the micropayments. Micropayments can be cheap inside one bank as its only an internal database entry change, but as soon you leave the bank you have higher costs and delays.

It is an exchange model built for banks to letting them take part in the bitcoin exchange business without getting involved directly with Bitcoin (see interview with CEO: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/bitcoins-and-gravy-49-coinffeine-the-distributed-bitcoin-exchange).
Its an interesting business model for banks but has nothing to do with the idea of decentralisation.

It is good to have additional exchange models like Coinffeine but as I said it is not decentralized.
I see it similar to those attempts to include an exchange into the banking account like some banks have tried it (and got closed again after regulatory pressure). http://www.dagensia.eu is one example for such...
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1014
In Satoshi I Trust
"Download both the Lighthouse application and the Bitsquare project file and import the project file into the Lighthouse application"

thats a big hurdle to raise funds  Undecided . maybe i dot that, but the 99 other people that go an that website.
legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1427
Very interesting project, it will take a lot effort from devs and people around it to make it a success.

Once I have a bit more free time I will thoroughly review the whitepaper.

Is there some sort of a ticker somewhere to see how much there is collected?
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1001
Love that there are so many projects jumping on board with Lighthouse already.

I was worried this was just another money making scheme for Mike Hearn (sorry mike - the decentralized trustless world has turned me into a paranoid freak that doesn't trust anyone.  ironically.)

Are there any projects dedicated to bringing on more developers for Bitcoin protocol?

-B-
k99
sr. member
Activity: 346
Merit: 255
Manfred Karrer
This is what we need, i want to see tons of working decentralized exchanges happening.
What is the difference if you compare this to Coinffeine??

then why does the BTC community prefers centralized shit exchangers? Smiley

Prefer? Ther is no decentralized alternative yet out.
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