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Topic: Deep Web Drug Market Disappeared Overnight, $12 Million in Bitcoin Missing (Read 2370 times)

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Well, This is not new. We must be careful with our bitcoins, and not use this places like wallets, because risk is huge.
hero member
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This could be resolved with a multi sig wallet I would think. Hopefully someone with more technical knowledge of multi sig wallets can chime in on this. My rule of thumb is that if something requires you to trust someone with your currency don't do it. 
The marketplace offered multisig, but it's up to imbecile users to utilize it. Oddly enough, darknet market users tend to be risk takers and a bit lazy.

I suspect that they've been running a fractional reserve for months now, slowly cashing out coins.




legendary
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the deep web now it's more like a scam-fest of bitcoin than naything else, i'm not really surprised

Hackers have never pledged allegiance to the cosa nostra...
I don't see why not. Aren't most hackers Italian?

are you sure about this? i thought, many hacker come from russia
legendary
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Hackers have never pledged allegiance to the cosa nostra...
I don't see why not. Aren't most hackers Italian?

Didn't know that, but that doesn't change anything. Very few Italians are part of organized crime.

So I guess this calls for legalizing drugs so that people won't get stolen anymore.
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This could be resolved with a multi sig wallet I would think. Hopefully someone with more technical knowledge of multi sig wallets can chime in on this. My rule of thumb is that if something requires you to trust someone with your currency don't do it. 
A few people have attempted to address your question, however have not done so to my satisfaction.

First of all true multisig would be somewhat difficult to implement because it would make it very difficult for many people to use because many people have the knowledge of bitcoin of a new; it would make it more difficult to obscure/tumble bitcoin while customers had their funds on 'deposit' at the sites (I know that SR1 did this for their customers, and would assume that other dark markets offered similar services); and probably most importantly it would make it a lot more difficult to collect whatever fee the market is charging for listing/selling products.

In addition to the above, it would probably create a number of instances where a lot of deals would end up taking place outside of the marketplace which would open the door for scams.

In order to describe how multisig works, you first need to know how a bitcoin address is calculated. In order to calculate a bitcoin address, you first need the private key, from the private key, you can easily calculate the public key, from the public key you can calculate the bitcoin address.

In order to calculate a multisig address, you will need to combine multiple public keys, as well as determine what "m" and "n" are when expressed as 'm of n', you would do this by having each party circulate a public key to a private key that they control. Once this is done, assuming that everything went smoothly, then the buyer and the seller can sign a tx giving all of the funds to the seller
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What about the reloaded version of silk road that was working on i2p? I remember people over at /r/darknetmarkets being too scared to even try it just because of it's name. Yet i2p is supposed to be safer to some extent.
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Hackers have never pledged allegiance to the cosa nostra...
I don't see why not. Aren't most hackers Italian?
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When most people read recent news regarding this incident, they pitty the people that lost money, thinking how its the average buyers of somewhat illegal stuff,but not all that bad overall..
You're wrong; majority of funds were held by the sellers (dealers), since there was no need for regular folks to keep their money there. You come in , buy what u need and thats that, no need
to keep funds there and take the risk of loosing them.
Don't worry, people that lost their funds got enough left to take that blow, and im glad that marketplace got closed, it only brought bitcoin to media and public rage, same like silkroad did.

cheers
sr. member
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I'm surprised no one saw this coming. It was the perfect plan for the admins. The criminals can not report their losses to law enforcement or else they would get in trouble for selling drugs, and the admins are running a website for criminals.
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So the criminals turned out to be criminals. I for one am shocked.

Not fair. Some time ago, there used to be honour among thieves.  Wink

Hackers have never pledged allegiance to the cosa nostra...

This wasn't a problem with hackers. It was the adminstration/escrow providers of Evolution who took off with the bitcoins.
it's not proved yet. The problem is always with either inside jobs (members of the exchange itself steal it) or they somehow get hacked by external agents. I think the inside job theory is always the more plausible one.
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This is worring... Here in Brazil it is not a crime to use drugs, its a crime just selling then... So, when I buy at a dark marketplace from a vendor outside my country, there is no crime at all...

Im new to dark marketplaces. Its better for me, cause I dont like to buy drugs in the places where they are sold in Brazil, wich are way worse then any drug selling place in world... (Rio de Janeiro lives in a "silent civil war")... And ppl that sell drugs in dark marketplaces use to create the substances in a home laboratory, or plant it, etc. What I mean is... Its a violence-less trafic, and I think it can weakens the traditional mafia in a long term, if ppl get massively to know about those markets... But, no one talks about this option of buying... Deepweb needs a better marketing (lol).

About the markets...

I used the one called Drug Market, wich doesnt seen to be so famous, (EDITED FROM HERE ON:) and i got f****** SCAMMMMED........... the site itself is a scam. Didnt realize not a single vendor answered anything, all the profile descriptions was linking to other market sites... But, as I am a begginer in this deep web world... I falled into the scam...
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So the criminals turned out to be criminals. I for one am shocked.

Not fair. Some time ago, there used to be honour among thieves.  Wink

Hackers have never pledged allegiance to the cosa nostra...

This wasn't a problem with hackers. It was the adminstration/escrow providers of Evolution who took off with the bitcoins.
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So the criminals turned out to be criminals. I for one am shocked.

Not fair. Some time ago, there used to be honour among thieves.  Wink

Hackers have never pledged allegiance to the cosa nostra...
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So the criminals turned out to be criminals. I for one am shocked.

I don't think selling/buying drugs should make you a criminal. One day the gov may call us all criminals for merely using bitcoin if they try outlaw it.



I would actually like to see more darkness markets. I am not a drug user and don't own any weapons but I do think it takes power away from the cartels which is never a bad thing. I would also rather people get their drugs etc. from a UPS package than out on the streets. Silk Road and other dark market users seemed to provide a safer product as well because even in a place like that reputation was important.

It doesn't take away power from the cartels, only legalization will do that. Where do you think the drugs come from in the first place? The cartels are just the wholesalers, but they might be selling on the darkmarkets themselves for all we know.
twn
legendary
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thats the weak point of btc. That kind of actions make the prices goin down. and for the new people they afraiding for getting btcs
hero member
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Is BTC really that cumbersome to hold?

I'll keep holding my MØ stash with a 256-bit entropied login.  For my petty cash, I'll keep using a key file.

I wonder how many "wallets" are "secured" with low entropy passwords.  There's no point in having a higher entropy key when the password used to "secure" it can be broken offline in no time.

Is the problem with all of these agents or BTC's clunky security implementation?
You can always expect the worse when you are dealing with criminals... why would you get in such trouble? if getting your coins lost in a somewhat decent exchange is very possible, imagine if you give bitcoins to some random dudes selling drugs lol.
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Is BTC really that cumbersome to hold?

I'll keep holding my MØ stash with a 256-bit entropied login.  For my petty cash, I'll keep using a key file.

I wonder how many "wallets" are "secured" with low entropy passwords.  There's no point in having a higher entropy key when the password used to "secure" it can be broken offline in no time.

Is the problem with all of these agents or BTC's clunky security implementation?

Is that a secured offline cold storage wallet on offline PC?  I`m confused about this , can you specify please...

So the criminals turned out to be criminals. I for one am shocked.

Now that's ironical...and self evident

So the criminals turned out to be criminals. I for one am shocked.

Not fair. Some time ago, there used to be honour among thieves.  Wink

Your tax collector won't show you mercy so why would these drug crooks do it?
legendary
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So the criminals turned out to be criminals. I for one am shocked.

Not fair. Some time ago, there used to be honour among thieves.  Wink
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This could be resolved with a multi sig wallet I would think. Hopefully someone with more technical knowledge of multi sig wallets can chime in on this. My rule of thumb is that if something requires you to trust someone with your currency don't do it. 

And/or decentralized exchanges.

This could be resolved with a multi sig wallet I would think. Hopefully someone with more technical knowledge of multi sig wallets can chime in on this. My rule of thumb is that if something requires you to trust someone with your currency don't do it. 
According to the article they did have a multi sig wallet (at least thats what they described) But they could have just been lying about that I guess.

Who cares more darknets dye hopefully less will pop up. Just sucks that there isn't even any honor among thieves these days with bitcoins

Multi sig is pointless if you're not one of the parties involved. If the owners are saying they all have multi sig on the funds then you're still just trusting them that they're all not going to conspire to run off with the funds together so it's meaningless really.

If someone really wanted to I am guessing they could set up a multis wallet that includes the user as part of the required signature. Localbitcoins has a system that works fairly well.
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