Topic: Default trust is the most important metric here in my opinion. (Read 548 times)

Can you explain your reasoning on that? I like the rotating more ( I mean the entire system is clearly nothing like a meritocracy  and is dangerous) but explain why rotating would make it a meritocracy over leaving the most included in.

Or is that not what you meant?  I am genuinely curious.

You can but don't do it with The Pharmacist :-D

So AI does not miss much. Useful.

Dynamic obviously and the list above is dynamic.

It took me few weeks to figure out how it's working after the change. So, you are pretty faster if you have noticed it on the other day.

I'm at 64 - maybe I need to go to the currency board and buy some Bitcoin or something.

See loyce.club/trust/ranking/ (and it's explanation).

I dunno I think I like this idea. Don't keep a static list and keep moving people round instead kinda makes more sense... Its a more stable form of meritocracy?

Yep - I read it, but that doesn't mean that I understand all the nuances and wrinkles. It seems that there are a few other people who agree that it is a bit wrinkly.

Look at this!
52 53 inclusion!!!



Consider making a stat to show the list of users of top 100 inclusions. I guess you and theymos will have the most number.

I see Jet Cash is still hustling in the topic. Did anyone redirect him to the Trust page changed topic created by theymos when he changed it a year ago?

It doesn't help that everything is called "trust". This is how I put it:

I think you have hit the nail on the head there Loyce. I'm rubbish as a guardian of DT2, as I just put people on ignore, rather than tagging them and getting into flame wars. I'm not sure i am qualified to determine if a person is and ICO or alt scammer. That doesn't mean that you couldn't trust me with your wallet though, and this is why I think the system needs to be renamed. Outsiders will not be aware of the distinction, and will assume that trust relates to trading activity.

Yeah I feel you, I can't also suggest you to visit the marketplace for you to trade for that place has full of scammer with people getting red trust still going to scam and able to scam to new comers that has no idea about the scam events in that section and the trust system.

Giving red trust will be also a difficult decision to do because purely accusation may result to something wrong in the implementation of the Trust System. I had seen some trolling about this because they had been disappointed by the system itself. They say that the trust system not really works well with users that are here abusing the trust system.

For now, the trust system works best but not all the time that it was being utilized well and are still subject for abuses. The real question is how to get away from the accusations from the trolls that says the Trust system is completely a mess for them as they mention it. However, I still do believe in other users that are DT1 and are doing good and doing their responsibility even if they did not get paid just to make a tag for the scammers and fraud people out their. It so hard for now but I think in the future everything will be change. There is always a constant change for everything and the forum is still in the process of that change.

It doesn't, but it makes sense for DT1 to require some activity, as they're the "guardians" of DT2.
There are several DT2-ratings that should be removed by now, but they're still active because the user hasn't been online for months. Some of them will never be online again. At least that can't happen to DT1.

Thanks for the suggestion that one just mentions "default trust" rather than a ranking on it. My feeling is that it isn't worth mentioning if one is just a basic member though. I'll remove the mentions when I get the chance later.

I've run a metal recycling business, and I currently sell .com domain names, and I have an involvement in crypto, each of those businesses id full of scammers thieves and frauds, and a reputation for honesty is difficult to achieve and to maintain. Since the takeover of escrow.com, and all the problems they had with payment, and the $600 million dollar penalty imposed on PayPal a few years ago, I am cautious about paying 3rd parties for an escrow service. The exception is the Name Solo market place, but they have stopped paying out in Bitcoin. I do my own research to discover if a person is to be trusted, and I haven't had too many failures. I'm not very well known in the worldof the Internet, so I feel that I need to publish some associations to build credibility, and I thought that DT1 would be one such association. I'm not sure of the value of the Jet Cash account including the domain JetCash.com and the alt accounts, but I suspect it is well above the value of my average domain name sales. Just to clarify, neither my accounts or the domain are for sale.

I'm concerned that trust here is a matter of winning a lottery, and it can be removed if one id offline for a few days - how does a short posting holiday affect one's trustworthiness.If Theymos did remove me manually, then it is a bit of a slap in the face, and I'm not sure what I have done to provoke that, so I am assuming that the decision to remove me was made by the lottery script. At the moment. my feeling is to ignore the Default Trust system here, and wait for a trading related system if it ever arrives.

Even better: check my DT1-election: Rank up pipeline for Jet Cash, this accounts for some of the DT1-criteria:

TL;DR: theymos removed you on September 6. I expect the next DT1-reshuffle within a week. I'm in the same boat

I made a site for that too: Is LoyceV still on DT? (ignore the glitch 3 days ago)

You can just state you're on DefaultTrust, which is true. But if this is a reason for someone to trade with you, it can mean they're hoping for green DT feedback, which shouldn't be the reason for a trade.

Being on DT is very helpful when tagging scammers as a warning before they get Nuked.

The pharmaceutical narrative affecting your trust ranking?  Where are you posting your opinions about COVID-19 primarily, is it in Serious Discussion or Ivory Tower?  I'll have to un-ignore those sections if that's the case, because I'm interested to read your opinions.

But no, I really don't think any of that has anything to do with where you stand as far as being on DT.  Frankly, I stopped paying attention to who is or isn't on it months ago, and though I assume I'm probably still on DT2, in truth I have no idea. 

Why does it matter to you so much whether you're trusted on the forum?  It isn't going to give more weight to your opinions on things like COVID-19.

Fighting scammers, not being a scammer, time, and getting to know other members on a level that's more than superficial.  Those things help over time--but there are trading opportunities on the forum, e.g., in the Currency Exchange section, although that's not a great way to obtain green trust from a DT member if that DT member is prudent as far as handing out positive feedbacks goes.

That is clearly a possibility but I have seen conclusive proof of the opposite taking place.

For instance a prolific and huge scam hunter, no evidence of any financial wrongdoing ever, always fighting for fairness and equality  was punished by proven scammers on DT1 for whistleblowing on them and this was sanctioned and supported by many other DT1 scammmer supporters. The majority of Dt1 that frequently post on meta (a couple of exceptions) are untrustworthy and have all run away from answering questions on some of the scamming, scammer protecting and willful scam facilitating for pay or trust abuse or lying about financially related wrongdoing.

If I am not mistaken the same proven scammer that you teamed up with to conduct your " charity work" is perhaps one of the most untrustworthy members here. So I'll take your word with a bag of salt as I prefer to watch peoples actions rather than listen to their words.

So I wouldn't try to reinforce the false and misleading claim that being on DT1 is any kind of reference or guarantee of honesty or constantly working to make the " community safe ". The only important thing I can say about being on DT1 is that it appears to work like a honey pot for the most driven, greedy and untrustworthy. (based on my research on meta and rep in recent times)

I would say there is much evidence to suggest that DT1 is a racket where many collude to ensure they can spam the highest paying sigs and crush the competitors of their sponsors or own projects.

This thread is full of provable mistakes, willful misleading and deliberately ignoring independently verifiable evidence that refutes their claims.

Jetcash and most people ( not all) on this thread are certainly not suitable for positions of trust.
They are either willing and deliberate scammer protectors, or willing to support a system they know is corrupt and broken or just willing to look the other way.  

The merit and trust systems here are dangerous. Those promugating the notion that DT1 is an important metric or some kind of reference or guarantee they are trustworthy is a certainly a troll.

Again if any part of this post can be refuted or you require a further drill down on any point I've made here whatsoever they can request and I will provide evidence that you can verify for yourself.

The only sensible post is from actmyname. I would say only that he is overly optimistic certainly he should change meritorious with merited and is debatable with proven to be untrue after many debates.
Also the intention to decentralize does not really mean it is successful or advantageous or that 10 other users have really been chosen it is could be now a lot of socks or is going to be a lot of socks.

Also is something really decentralized if one person designs it and enforces the very lax rules?
Was the DT1 more trustworthy in it's old form?
I think that although some went rogue there are many more holes and more subtle or insidious dangers with the current systems by far.

Still compared to the other posts it was more realistic aka far nearer the truth and far less misleading than the rest.

Even the post from ieoeoe has some value. I hope he's okay.

You could just say that you're a member of Default Trust. But in general using it as some sort of "credit rating" is wrong IMO. Being in Default Trust means your judgement is trusted. It doesn't necessarily reflect your creditworthiness or other attributes that are important in trading. That's what trust feedback is for, which doesn't depend on you being in DT1 or DT2.

Whether that matters at all outside of Bitcointalk is another story. Someone coming here and claiming they have a reputation on some other site where we can't verify it, or even check if the reputation/account may have been purchased, would be treated with great suspicion. I would imagine same would apply in reverse.

This could be indeed a good course of action; either rename, either split into it's trading and forum behavior "components".

I recognise about 75%.

The English speaking ones are just old members like mods and core devs with a few other meta members there.
Some will be from sections sich as the Russian section which is pretty big afaik and a lot of other local boards have a large following..


The site i suggested would've

What's wrong with merely stating that you fulfill the requirements for being chosen as one of the council of DT1's? The nature of the requirement by itself shows that you are trusted by multiple meritorious individuals. One could associate that with being trusted by various accounts of reputable status, though this is up for debate.

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FWIW I hardly look at trust anymore and pass most things through escrow. Why even think about it?

Addendum:

The whole point of the revised DT system is to encourage users to create custom lists. This has been successful in some part, due to the fact that there even exist DT1 users: accounts would have had to set at least 10 users on their trust list, which should invariably increase decentralization from the base case of "theymos trust user"

My response may be a little bit off-topic but first of all, I want to say that Default Trust shouldn't be the most important metric here! Because Trust is abused and this is the place where we are more likely anonymous. Default Trust and trust scores in overall may give a little bit boost in confidence someone to take first step in trading or trusting something, it's like gambling where chance of win is 90% but you don't know whether that 10% shine or not.

Why do you have to improve trust ratings? It's just numbers and it's easy to fake numbers. Anyone can organize a good plan about how to boost their trust, even with trading. Someone may trade even thousands of USD just for trust score, it's like investment in your trust. But there are other people who have a need of trading and find this place a good one to trade and built trust naturally that they really deserve.

Trust system is dilemma here.