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Quote from: Hhampuz on April 07, 2019, 10:34:34 PM

TECSHARE, I think it's the same for both sides..

You saw one newbie earlier in this thread speaking out against Og and he instantly got attacked and labelled a sockpuppet. Although chances are high they are, it still is the same as when people voice their opinion against the other side.

I usually get shit for having certain people on my trustlist etc. but I'm just trying (lately) to be more neutral with it all. Constant fighting leads to nothing but pain and misery and I do believe we could all benefit here without all of the drama. In the past I was afraid to speak up against certain people in public as I was afraid of the repercussion it would bring. None of these people are currently on my trust list today though.

All in all I think we could all learn things from each other and strive for greatness and positivity rather than the current rot we are in.

I really don't know what you mean by "the same for both sides" as it doesn't really make any sense. Do you really believe that newbies are randomly showing up with strong opinions in meta right off the bat? Come on man I know you are not that naive.

I agree all the infighting is shit, but you know what, without that drama no one gives a FUCK about any of this, until it is their ass in the sling of course, then suddenly their eyes are wide open. It is really easy to let it all be when you are not a target and find yourself comfortably within the in group, and of course there is strong incentive to stay there by not rocking the boat.

People have already decided they are going to penalize me because of their personal feelings or ulterior motives. As a result, I really don't have any incentive to be very nice any more now do I? The ones who know I am trustworthy will continue to trust me and the ones who have judged me will continue to do so even if I start handing out hugs and ass kisses. That is the flip side of the in group, people ostracized with no avenue for redemption. So be it, I will do my best to be a thorn in the side of the worst perpetrators until people start doing something about these issues.

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Meh.

TECSHARE, I think it's the same for both sides..

You saw one newbie earlier in this thread speaking out against Og and he instantly got attacked and labelled a sockpuppet. Although chances are high they are, it still is the same as when people voice their opinion against the other side.

I usually get shit for having certain people on my trustlist etc. but I'm just trying (lately) to be more neutral with it all. Constant fighting leads to nothing but pain and misery and I do believe we could all benefit here without all of the drama. In the past I was afraid to speak up against certain people in public as I was afraid of the repercussion it would bring. None of these people are currently on my trust list today though.

All in all I think we could all learn things from each other and strive for greatness and positivity rather than the current rot we are in.

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 10:30:16 PM

I know simple logic is a problem for you, but I didn't leave you a rating over it so, this can pretty much be summarized as you again trying to contrive my criticism of you as abuse of the trust system. You however have repeatedly used the trust system as a tool of retaliation against those who criticize you. Not the same things at all, but you know this and are simply being disingenuous as usual.

There you go again, rating me because you're jealous of my DT membership.

You seem to do this repeatedly, and are just attempting to manipulate as usual. :/

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 10:30:16 PM

Also the fact that people who have repeatedly trusted me with large sums some how don't feel I am worth an inclusion, or even outright exclude my self as well as other vocal critics with very solid reputations with no explanation. Of course if this was the case no one would admit to it...

So you must have done something to make them lose the trust...

TECSHARE

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Quote from: Vod on April 07, 2019, 07:58:59 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 07:33:14 PM

Do you go around compulsively negative rating people with little to no substantiation?

You do. On this page you claimed I take medication for mental issues with no substantiation. I guess that makes you a manipulator...

Or your logic doesn't apply to someone that isn't on DT?

I know simple logic is a problem for you, but I didn't leave you a rating over it so, this can pretty much be summarized as you again trying to contrive my criticism of you as abuse of the trust system. You however have repeatedly used the trust system as a tool of retaliation against those who criticize you. Not the same things at all, but you know this and are simply being disingenuous as usual.

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 07, 2019, 08:49:37 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 07:33:14 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 07, 2019, 07:18:55 PM

I definitely do not know who you are referring to. It sounds like you are talking about me. I am on default trust and am #10 on bpip.org in trust. So given above, it sure sounds like you are saying I am a manipulative control freak.

We have traded many times so I am assuming you don't mean that; but read over what you wrote and realize it is what your are implying. While you may have legitimate issues with some DT members maybe don't attack us all in one statement.

Do you go around compulsively negative rating people with little to no substantiation? Do you abuse your position on the trust list to silence people who disagree with or criticize you? Do you coordinate with others to make sure people who criticize your in group are excluded? No? Then I am not talking about you. I am very sorry you feel offended by my statements. I would however consider you part of the later group of people intimidated into not supporting people whom you otherwise would agree with in order to protect yourself from these unscrupulous users populating the default trust.

I can assure you I am intimidated by no one here.

Edit to add: I don't think i do any of the things you detailed.

I don't think you do any of those things either. Regarding pressure to not voice opinions, I can only make that conclusion based on private messages of support I get from users here on some of these issues that for some reason they don't feel like they can state publicly.

Also the fact that people who have repeatedly trusted me with large sums some how don't feel I am worth an inclusion, or even outright exclude my self as well as other vocal critics with very solid reputations with no explanation. Of course if this was the case no one would admit to it...

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 07:33:14 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 07, 2019, 07:18:55 PM

I definitely do not know who you are referring to. It sounds like you are talking about me. I am on default trust and am #10 on bpip.org in trust. So given above, it sure sounds like you are saying I am a manipulative control freak.

We have traded many times so I am assuming you don't mean that; but read over what you wrote and realize it is what your are implying. While you may have legitimate issues with some DT members maybe don't attack us all in one statement.

Do you go around compulsively negative rating people with little to no substantiation? Do you abuse your position on the trust list to silence people who disagree with or criticize you? Do you coordinate with others to make sure people who criticize your in group are excluded? No? Then I am not talking about you. I am very sorry you feel offended by my statements. I would however consider you part of the later group of people intimidated into not supporting people whom you otherwise would agree with in order to protect yourself from these unscrupulous users populating the default trust.

I can assure you I am intimidated by no one here.

Edit to add: I don't think i do any of the things you detailed.

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 07:33:14 PM

Do you go around compulsively negative rating people with little to no substantiation?

You do. On this page you claimed I take medication for mental issues with no substantiation. I guess that makes you a manipulator...

Or your logic doesn't apply to someone that isn't on DT?

TECSHARE

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Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 07, 2019, 07:18:55 PM

I definitely do not know who you are referring to. It sounds like you are talking about me. I am on default trust and am #10 on bpip.org in trust. So given above, it sure sounds like you are saying I am a manipulative control freak.

We have traded many times so I am assuming you don't mean that; but read over what you wrote and realize it is what your are implying. While you may have legitimate issues with some DT members maybe don't attack us all in one statement.

Do you go around compulsively negative rating people with little to no substantiation? Do you abuse your position on the trust list to silence people who disagree with or criticize you? Do you coordinate with others to make sure people who criticize your in group are excluded? No? Then I am not talking about you. I am very sorry you feel offended by my statements. I would however consider you part of the later group of people intimidated into not supporting people whom you otherwise would agree with in order to protect yourself from these unscrupulous users populating the default trust.

Lesbian Cow

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 03:33:12 PM

Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 07, 2019, 02:43:05 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 01:37:48 PM

Quote from: phantastisch on April 07, 2019, 12:25:55 PM

Does anybody else think DefaultTrust is slowly turning into a popularity contest where you have to abide by rules from the established members or else you are shunned?
Even if I get the intention of forcing a member to "clean"(maintain aka evict some undesirables,... ) his trust list to stay in DT1, this feels kinda wrong.

Trust is sometimes a fickle bitch, but while i have lauda distrusted i respect everybody elses decision to trust lauda and don't go into a frenzy distrusting people.

The reaction with willi9974 was in my opinion a bit overboard, a notice like "hey you are in DT1, can you please look at what does this mean and update your list accordingly?" should have sufficed.

This has always been the case for the default trust. At first people pretended this was not the case and the staff tried to cover for them, but eventually the environment of having no rules meant it just continually devolved into this ball washing circle jerk we have today where the most manipulative control freaks sit atop the default trust. These people care more about getting their dopamine hit from making little red marks and controlling people than serving this community equitably.

I take issue with the bold part as you are painting everyone on DT with the same brush. There are some good people on DT who are not manipulative control freaks and I for one take offense at your statement.

No, I am not. Everyone here knows exactly who I am talking about and I went on to describe the individuals. Unfortunately though most of those people a top of the list still make excuses for them regardless, and are intimidated against openly supporting certain trustworthy people for fear of gaining their ire.

I definitely do not know who you are referring to. It sounds like you are talking about me. I am on default trust and am #10 on bpip.org in trust. So given above, it sure sounds like you are saying I am a manipulative control freak.

We have traded many times so I am assuming you don't mean that; but read over what you wrote and realize it is what your are implying. While you may have legitimate issues with some DT members maybe don't attack us all in one statement.

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 06:32:22 PM

You mean like when you are caught abusing your position in the default trust to punish people for criticizing you and you pretend like it was justified over and over again even though you fail to substantiate your claims? Thanks for being yet another example of the dog pile that results any time the chosen are criticized.

No, I meant don't lie like you just did a few posts ago. Tongue

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be constructive or S.T.F.U

Quote from: Vod on April 06, 2019, 03:58:44 PM

don't wear an avatar

you wear the boobs-licking avatar which i personally find the most interesting avatar on forum so far, specially the tongue part. Roll Eyes

Quote from: phantastisch on April 07, 2019, 01:27:28 PM

I did ask that we treat people with some humility, maybe we should even ask them if they really want to be in DT1.

humility? i think you taking this shit too seriously, plus to a certain extent, one should use the trust system the same way whether on DT or not.

TECSHARE

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Quote from: Vod on April 07, 2019, 06:22:16 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 06:06:40 PM

I think you are having delusions again. Go take your meds.

Anyway, don't paint everyone in DT with the same brush. And don't lie when you get caught. Tongue

You mean like when you are caught abusing your position in the default trust to punish people for criticizing you and you pretend like it was justified over and over again even though you fail to substantiate your claims? Thanks for being yet another example of the dog pile that results any time the chosen are criticized.

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 06:06:40 PM

I think you are having delusions again. Go take your meds.

Anyway, don't paint everyone in DT with the same brush. And don't lie when you get caught. Tongue

TECSHARE

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Quote from: Vod on April 07, 2019, 04:01:43 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 03:53:11 PM

Who am I jealous of Vod, you? What am I jealous of that I don't already have?

??

The thing you constantly whine about.... DT membership.

I think you are having delusions again. Go take your meds.

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 03:53:11 PM

Who am I jealous of Vod, you? What am I jealous of that I don't already have?

??

The thing you constantly whine about.... DT membership.

TECSHARE

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Quote from: Vod on April 07, 2019, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 03:33:12 PM

No, I am not. Everyone here knows exactly who I am talking about and I went on to describe the individuals. Unfortunately though most of those people a top of the list still make excuses for them regardless, and are intimidated against openly supporting certain trustworthy people for fear of gaining their ire.

I don't, and I believe you are judging based on jealousy. :/

Who am I jealous of Vod, you? What am I jealous of that I don't already have?

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 03:33:12 PM

No, I am not. Everyone here knows exactly who I am talking about and I went on to describe the individuals. Unfortunately though most of those people a top of the list still make excuses for them regardless, and are intimidated against openly supporting certain trustworthy people for fear of gaining their ire.

I don't, and I believe you are judging based on jealousy. :/

TECSHARE

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Quote from: Lesbian Cow on April 07, 2019, 02:43:05 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 01:37:48 PM

Quote from: phantastisch on April 07, 2019, 12:25:55 PM

Does anybody else think DefaultTrust is slowly turning into a popularity contest where you have to abide by rules from the established members or else you are shunned?
Even if I get the intention of forcing a member to "clean"(maintain aka evict some undesirables,... ) his trust list to stay in DT1, this feels kinda wrong.

Trust is sometimes a fickle bitch, but while i have lauda distrusted i respect everybody elses decision to trust lauda and don't go into a frenzy distrusting people.

The reaction with willi9974 was in my opinion a bit overboard, a notice like "hey you are in DT1, can you please look at what does this mean and update your list accordingly?" should have sufficed.

This has always been the case for the default trust. At first people pretended this was not the case and the staff tried to cover for them, but eventually the environment of having no rules meant it just continually devolved into this ball washing circle jerk we have today where the most manipulative control freaks sit atop the default trust. These people care more about getting their dopamine hit from making little red marks and controlling people than serving this community equitably.

I take issue with the bold part as you are painting everyone on DT with the same brush. There are some good people on DT who are not manipulative control freaks and I for one take offense at your statement.

No, I am not. Everyone here knows exactly who I am talking about and I went on to describe the individuals. Unfortunately though most of those people a top of the list still make excuses for them regardless, and are intimidated against openly supporting certain trustworthy people for fear of gaining their ire.

Lesbian Cow

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 07, 2019, 01:37:48 PM

Quote from: phantastisch on April 07, 2019, 12:25:55 PM

Does anybody else think DefaultTrust is slowly turning into a popularity contest where you have to abide by rules from the established members or else you are shunned?
Even if I get the intention of forcing a member to "clean"(maintain aka evict some undesirables,... ) his trust list to stay in DT1, this feels kinda wrong.

Trust is sometimes a fickle bitch, but while i have lauda distrusted i respect everybody elses decision to trust lauda and don't go into a frenzy distrusting people.

The reaction with willi9974 was in my opinion a bit overboard, a notice like "hey you are in DT1, can you please look at what does this mean and update your list accordingly?" should have sufficed.

This has always been the case for the default trust. At first people pretended this was not the case and the staff tried to cover for them, but eventually the environment of having no rules meant it just continually devolved into this ball washing circle jerk we have today where the most manipulative control freaks sit atop the default trust. These people care more about getting their dopamine hit from making little red marks and controlling people than serving this community equitably.

I take issue with the bold part as you are painting everyone on DT with the same brush. There are some good people on DT who are not manipulative control freaks and I for one take offense at your statement.

Lafu

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Quote from: ?? on ??

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But i got some pm and infos to change it and glad about that some People has written to me !

In this case for willi9974 its a bit more as the list from me in the past and he changed it already i and havnt looked at it for now !

The question is would he be on DT ?

So i guess it would be a nice and good thing to pm Users if this happens again for other Users in the future !

Sure it depends on what User it is and his History !

Anyway , hope he will solve his list and change it how he thinks it will be good !

TECSHARE

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Quote from: phantastisch on April 07, 2019, 12:25:55 PM

Does anybody else think DefaultTrust is slowly turning into a popularity contest where you have to abide by rules from the established members or else you are shunned?
Even if I get the intention of forcing a member to "clean"(maintain aka evict some undesirables,... ) his trust list to stay in DT1, this feels kinda wrong.

Trust is sometimes a fickle bitch, but while i have lauda distrusted i respect everybody elses decision to trust lauda and don't go into a frenzy distrusting people.

The reaction with willi9974 was in my opinion a bit overboard, a notice like "hey you are in DT1, can you please look at what does this mean and update your list accordingly?" should have sufficed.

This has always been the case for the default trust. At first people pretended this was not the case and the staff tried to cover for them, but eventually the environment of having no rules meant it just continually devolved into this ball washing circle jerk we have today where the most manipulative control freaks sit atop the default trust. These people care more about getting their dopamine hit from making little red marks and controlling people than serving this community equitably.

Quote from: Lauda on April 07, 2019, 12:27:39 PM

Quote from: phantastisch on April 07, 2019, 12:25:55 PM

The reaction with willi9974 was in my opinion a bit overboard, a notice like "hey you are in DT1, can you please look at what does this mean and update your list accordingly?" should have sufficed.

He's not a special snowflake, he's a random. If I changed my list today adding every single user that gave me positive rating i.e. started trust farming/abusing my position, I'd be swiftly removed as well.

Another great example of how having no official rules turns some one who simply didn't absorb the unwritten rules via osmosis into a victim of the dopamine click addicted control freaks that think it is something to be proud of that they are an assembly line of uncountable accusations to the detriment of the user base.

Quote from: Lauda on April 07, 2019, 01:29:32 PM

I dislike treating anyone with humility, that's more for Loyce and actmyname also known as the Switzerland's of BTCT. I'm a witch after all, and a tyrant apparently.

Spoken like a true control freak with no regard for others. You pretend what you are doing is for the community using this as a shield for your destructive behavior, really it is only to serve your own obsessive desire to control others.

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