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Ziskinberg

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Quote from: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 05:41:37 PM

Quote from: actmyname on January 23, 2018, 05:32:20 PM

Quote from: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 05:08:55 PM

Actmyname....well, this one is tricky. He's engaged in discussion on this topic, which shows an open mind. But then there are those....rampages...which are also opinion based.

Which rampages? Are you talking about the bulk ratings in which I go to a spam megathread and tag prominent users there?

I have already stated that the negative trust will be removed when a week's worth of quality posting occurs.

There is one option that I have which could work: to instill a neutral trust feedback that prompts users to improve their post quality (and to PM them in bulk about it the day of). If they do not improve the quality within 2 weeks a negative tag will be placed upon them. How do you feel about that?

Fair enough on the "rampage" comment if it's to do with megathreads - I admit I only scanned. I can edit or remove the comment if you wish. I'm not here to score cheap points.

I like that you are being so open-minded on this - regardless of whatever you infer from my posts, I want you to know I respect this.

Your idea of bulk PMing is excellent. May I suggest that the PM list be shared with the mods also? That way they can filter the ones you have to tag by banning as many as possible before they get loose - if they don't improve, of course. 2 weeks seems more than reasonable - very fair.

Great reply. Thank you

Now actmyname starting to realize that the decision he made to tagged bunch of accounts was not fair as he considered shifting the from negative to neutral trust which he made some guidelines himself that if not followed based on his evaluation,he will again red tagged certain accounts.

Why not just focus on what Theymos said " Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts." because his words are final, don't make your own judgement which would eventually lead you in making a decision which is against the rules.

The best solution to do IMO is just to put a rating in neutral trust as that is fair, we want to be fair here, as this forum is for everyone who wants to learn.

HodorHodl

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Quote from: actmyname on January 23, 2018, 05:32:20 PM

Quote from: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 05:08:55 PM

Actmyname....well, this one is tricky. He's engaged in discussion on this topic, which shows an open mind. But then there are those....rampages...which are also opinion based.

Which rampages? Are you talking about the bulk ratings in which I go to a spam megathread and tag prominent users there?

I have already stated that the negative trust will be removed when a week's worth of quality posting occurs.

There is one option that I have which could work: to instill a neutral trust feedback that prompts users to improve their post quality (and to PM them in bulk about it the day of). If they do not improve the quality within 2 weeks a negative tag will be placed upon them. How do you feel about that?

Fair enough on the "rampage" comment if it's to do with megathreads - I admit I only scanned. I can edit or remove the comment if you wish. I'm not here to score cheap points.

I like that you are being so open-minded on this - regardless of whatever you infer from my posts, I want you to know I respect this.

Your idea of bulk PMing is excellent. May I suggest that the PM list be shared with the mods also? That way they can filter the ones you have to tag by banning as many as possible before they get loose - if they don't improve, of course. 2 weeks seems more than reasonable - very fair.

Great reply. Thank you

actmyname

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Quote from: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 05:08:55 PM

Actmyname....well, this one is tricky. He's engaged in discussion on this topic, which shows an open mind. But then there are those....rampages...which are also opinion based.

Which rampages? Are you talking about the bulk ratings in which I go to a spam megathread and tag prominent users there?

I have already stated that the negative trust will be removed when a week's worth of quality posting occurs.

There is one option that I have which could work: to instill a neutral trust feedback that prompts users to improve their post quality (and to PM them in bulk about it the day of). If they do not improve the quality within 2 weeks a negative tag will be placed upon them. How do you feel about that?

otrkid70

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Quote from: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 05:08:55 PM

The issue is that the whole damn thing is based on opinions.

The Pharmacist has a boner for people he feels don't speak English to his standard. This does not make them untrustworthy, and so is misuse of the system.

Lauda has no time for people she feels don't see as deeply as her. I'm not entirely sure on what map the direction she's looking can be found, but that's my issue. This also does not make them untrustworthy, and so is misuse of the system.

Actmyname....well, this one is tricky. He's engaged in discussion on this topic, which shows an open mind. But then there are those....rampages...which are also opinion based.

You know, I get that all these people are trying to protect the foremost forum for a subject they care deeply about. And they're working with broken tools. Theymos probably never realised this forum would grow like it has, but there you go - yay, crypto

The practices that are happening at the moment are exclusionary. This is not good. The forum was founded for people to discuss crypto, and this includes the clueless, the stupid, the slow, the rude, the arrogant and the just plain weird.

Warn the abusers. Ban the persistent. Trust tag the scammers.

If they're not scamming, leave the trust button alone. It's not what it's for.

OgNasty just posted this. He is top of the foodchain in regards to DT. It's all good now.

Quote from: OgNasty on January 23, 2018, 05:02:08 PM

Quote from: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 04:56:23 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 23, 2018, 04:39:47 PM

Quote from: Blazed on January 22, 2018, 05:30:26 PM

I have also reached out to Theymos to see what his stance on red trust for shit posting is and will let you guys know.

If his reply is the below, what would be your response?

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

I think DT users such as yourself Ognasty and Blazed will have to pressure him to get a clear answer on this. You 2 users are at the top of the DT food chain and i think only users with your status are capable of getting him to crack under pressure. It would be nice to hear his Final view on the matter.

theymos has already given his guidance. I believe the responsibility of DT users such as myself and Blazed would be to exclude users who engage in this behavior. I have done so. Blazed has done the opposite.

HodorHodl

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The issue is that the whole damn thing is based on opinions.

The Pharmacist has a boner for people he feels don't speak English to his standard. This does not make them untrustworthy, and so is misuse of the system.

Lauda has no time for people she feels don't see as deeply as her. I'm not entirely sure on what map the direction she's looking can be found, but that's my issue. This also does not make them untrustworthy, and so is misuse of the system.

Actmyname....well, this one is tricky. He's engaged in discussion on this topic, which shows an open mind. But then there are those....rampages...which are also opinion based.

You know, I get that all these people are trying to protect the foremost forum for a subject they care deeply about. And they're working with broken tools. Theymos probably never realised this forum would grow like it has, but there you go - yay, crypto

The practices that are happening at the moment are exclusionary. This is not good. The forum was founded for people to discuss crypto, and this includes the clueless, the stupid, the slow, the rude, the arrogant and the just plain weird.

Warn the abusers. Ban the persistent. Trust tag the scammers.

If they're not scamming, leave the trust button alone. It's not what it's for.

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Quote from: Blazed on January 22, 2018, 05:12:12 PM

There is not really much communication between Default Trust people that I am aware of (no good ol' boys club). I have reached out the Theymos to get his opinion regarding negative trust and shit posting. This forum has become pretty much useless with the mindless posting for pay that happens. I do not think campaigns will start adding negative trusted users, but eventually they will probably stop advertising here since it is all garbage posts and good users will keep leaving.

I'll accept that there is not communication between most DT members, my communication to other DT members has been minimal, but the potential to abuse seems higher when DT members can mark an account negative for post quality, which I think would open an environment for the controlling of what content is deemed "ok" by DT members.

The quote I posted in OP, which hints that there is some sort sanctioning by "upper level" DT members to tag shitposters was a little surprising considering I was under the impression, like you were, that not a lot of communication happens between DT members.

Quote from: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 02:55:06 PM

Finally From the Man Himself. Shouldn't this just end the Discussion right here? He's the Boss.

This is what I was alluding to in my OP, this type of feedback goes against the guidelines set by theymos... and IMO the racist tone on some of the feedback isn't helpful to a forum that has plenty of non-native english speakers and is a discussion board for a worldwide cryptocurrency. I'm sure there are reasons for the guidelines in 2013 but that is part of the reason for this thread, to establish where other DT members may stand, and maybe Blazed will get a response back from theymos on whether his guidelines are any different today.

Scam Exposey

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Quote from: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 04:50:09 PM

Quote from: Scam Exposey on January 23, 2018, 04:45:43 PM

Quote from: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 02:55:06 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

I really think DT system should be used to prevent people from scamming (or make it a little more difficult at least).

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.
While it would be fair to tag shitposters somehow and stop them, it's certainly not fair to put both them and scammers in the same group.
Scamming or trying to scam is definitely worst than spamming.

Maybe leaving a neutral to users with extreme poor post quality would help? I guess signature managers would have to place some rules about those neutrals besides the current negative ones.

This sums it up perfectly. Great points about scammers and some person speaking in poor English being grouped together.

Quote from: Bachelorrd on January 22, 2018, 07:48:53 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 22, 2018, 07:43:03 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.

I agree. I only tag accounts as shitposters if it is obvious to even the brain dead fool. All one or less liners, no contribution to the post.

To date, I have left negative feedback for 61 shitposters, and most, if not all, have never complained about it.

I have seen your TRUST feedbacks and it seems very fair to me. No sign of being an obvious racism or whatsoever. The problem with tagging is that instead of giving a lesson and CLEAR REASON as to why he/she is being tagged, it is now being portrayed as a hatred to the 3rd world, which I don't totally agree.

*Edit: I have encountered a few people (not from this forum) that came from English Speaking Countries yet their English is more worse and than any of those who came from 3rd World.

Vod is absolutely Fair in his feedbacks. If you get a Neg from Vod rest assured he did his research and you deserved it.

Edit: The person you are referring to leaving feedback based on Race is The Pharmacist.

Finally From the Man Himself. Shouldn't this just end the Discussion right here? He's the Boss.

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

Their will be no end of discussion here until this man stop his early judgement https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017 all need due process as I seen this as abusive act. Old DT member didn't do that one since they know how to scale things.

I disagree actmyname has not abused anything as far as i can see. There are others that have though.

I disagree also and who are the one who's abusing it? Did you check his reputation history there's tons of account tagged for unethical judgement made by him.

otrkid70

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Quote from: Scam Exposey on January 23, 2018, 04:45:43 PM

Quote from: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 02:55:06 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

I really think DT system should be used to prevent people from scamming (or make it a little more difficult at least).

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.
While it would be fair to tag shitposters somehow and stop them, it's certainly not fair to put both them and scammers in the same group.
Scamming or trying to scam is definitely worst than spamming.

Maybe leaving a neutral to users with extreme poor post quality would help? I guess signature managers would have to place some rules about those neutrals besides the current negative ones.

This sums it up perfectly. Great points about scammers and some person speaking in poor English being grouped together.

Quote from: Bachelorrd on January 22, 2018, 07:48:53 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 22, 2018, 07:43:03 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.

I agree. I only tag accounts as shitposters if it is obvious to even the brain dead fool. All one or less liners, no contribution to the post.

To date, I have left negative feedback for 61 shitposters, and most, if not all, have never complained about it.

I have seen your TRUST feedbacks and it seems very fair to me. No sign of being an obvious racism or whatsoever. The problem with tagging is that instead of giving a lesson and CLEAR REASON as to why he/she is being tagged, it is now being portrayed as a hatred to the 3rd world, which I don't totally agree.

*Edit: I have encountered a few people (not from this forum) that came from English Speaking Countries yet their English is more worse and than any of those who came from 3rd World.

Vod is absolutely Fair in his feedbacks. If you get a Neg from Vod rest assured he did his research and you deserved it.

Edit: The person you are referring to leaving feedback based on Race is The Pharmacist.

Finally From the Man Himself. Shouldn't this just end the Discussion right here? He's the Boss.

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

Their will be no end of discussion here until this man stop his early judgement https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017 all need due process as I seen this as abusive act. Old DT member didn't do that one since they know how to scale things.

I disagree actmyname has not abused anything as far as i can see. There are others that have though.

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Quote from: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 02:55:06 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

I really think DT system should be used to prevent people from scamming (or make it a little more difficult at least).

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.
While it would be fair to tag shitposters somehow and stop them, it's certainly not fair to put both them and scammers in the same group.
Scamming or trying to scam is definitely worst than spamming.

Maybe leaving a neutral to users with extreme poor post quality would help? I guess signature managers would have to place some rules about those neutrals besides the current negative ones.

This sums it up perfectly. Great points about scammers and some person speaking in poor English being grouped together.

Quote from: Bachelorrd on January 22, 2018, 07:48:53 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 22, 2018, 07:43:03 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.

I agree. I only tag accounts as shitposters if it is obvious to even the brain dead fool. All one or less liners, no contribution to the post.

To date, I have left negative feedback for 61 shitposters, and most, if not all, have never complained about it.

I have seen your TRUST feedbacks and it seems very fair to me. No sign of being an obvious racism or whatsoever. The problem with tagging is that instead of giving a lesson and CLEAR REASON as to why he/she is being tagged, it is now being portrayed as a hatred to the 3rd world, which I don't totally agree.

*Edit: I have encountered a few people (not from this forum) that came from English Speaking Countries yet their English is more worse and than any of those who came from 3rd World.

Vod is absolutely Fair in his feedbacks. If you get a Neg from Vod rest assured he did his research and you deserved it.

Edit: The person you are referring to leaving feedback based on Race is The Pharmacist.

Finally From the Man Himself. Shouldn't this just end the Discussion right here? He's the Boss.

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

Their will be no end of discussion here until this man stop his early judgement https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017 all need due process as I seen this as abusive act. Old DT member didn't do that one since they know how to scale things.

otrkid70

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

I really think DT system should be used to prevent people from scamming (or make it a little more difficult at least).

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.
While it would be fair to tag shitposters somehow and stop them, it's certainly not fair to put both them and scammers in the same group.
Scamming or trying to scam is definitely worst than spamming.

Maybe leaving a neutral to users with extreme poor post quality would help? I guess signature managers would have to place some rules about those neutrals besides the current negative ones.

This sums it up perfectly. Great points about scammers and some person speaking in poor English being grouped together.

Quote from: Bachelorrd on January 22, 2018, 07:48:53 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 22, 2018, 07:43:03 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.

I agree. I only tag accounts as shitposters if it is obvious to even the brain dead fool. All one or less liners, no contribution to the post.

To date, I have left negative feedback for 61 shitposters, and most, if not all, have never complained about it.

I have seen your TRUST feedbacks and it seems very fair to me. No sign of being an obvious racism or whatsoever. The problem with tagging is that instead of giving a lesson and CLEAR REASON as to why he/she is being tagged, it is now being portrayed as a hatred to the 3rd world, which I don't totally agree.

*Edit: I have encountered a few people (not from this forum) that came from English Speaking Countries yet their English is more worse and than any of those who came from 3rd World.

Vod is absolutely Fair in his feedbacks. If you get a Neg from Vod rest assured he did his research and you deserved it.

Edit: The person you are referring to leaving feedback based on Race is The Pharmacist.

Finally From the Man Himself. Shouldn't this just end the Discussion right here? He's the Boss.

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

actmyname

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Quote from: unyil on January 23, 2018, 07:14:48 AM

Members of DT bastard like lauda usually only give red trust, even he does not reply to my post here, if you are a member of DT you should be wise do not just give red trust, even you accuse me of spreading lies (even your own suggest me to find address donation VOD) so I can donate VOD (is not that a bribe?) I do not do what you suggest, because I know it should not be done, you yourself ever say that, now you try to protect yourself by not answering my comments here and just put a red paint on me, why yesterday you did not spill your red paint on someone who has plagiarized my design?, LMAO! you are a very unbelievable demon. the only member of DT who does not have a healthy brain is you, you are like a hungry pig.

Fuck. That. Styling.

You must be really mad. But why are you concerned about a concurrent feedback? There's the previous one about your trust farming. You should address your concerns there, rather than at this recent one. Unless... you admit that it's true and you deserve the negative trust?

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Members of DT bastard like lauda usually only give red trust, even he does not reply to my post here, if you are a member of DT you should be wise do not just give red trust, even you accuse me of spreading lies (even your own suggest me to find address donation VOD) so I can donate VOD (is not that a bribe?) I do not do what you suggest, because I know it should not be done, you yourself ever say that, now you try to protect yourself by not answering my comments here and just put a red paint on me, why yesterday you did not spill your red paint on someone who has plagiarized my design?, LMAO! you are a very unbelievable demon. the only member of DT who does not have a healthy brain is you, you are like a hungry pig.

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Quote from: ibminer on January 22, 2018, 02:28:45 PM

~ However, the potential for abusing this and/or the DT system turning into a sort of "good ol' boys club" would be my fear.

DT-members are very divided in their views, look for example at the red trust some of them have given to other DT-members recently.
On the one hand it just looks bad that the most trusted people on this forum can't seem to agree, but on the other hand it shows it's not a "good old boys club" that protects eachother.

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on January 22, 2018, 03:18:55 PM

I feel as if it will only be a matter of time before a number of campaigns will simply adapt to this and remove the "No red trust" rule, which will ultimately result in a lot of time being wasted and leaving the trust system even more broken/misused then it is right now.

I had the same thought yesterday, this could combat it:

Quote from: LoyceV on January 22, 2018, 05:17:30 AM

Another thought: how about disabling signatures for anyone with enough red trust on DT2?

Back to my own opinion: I appreciate the worst spammers getting tagged, but I wouldn't tag them by myself. I highly appreciate SMAS, and I made my own blacklist to safe me time if I run a campaign again.

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Quote from: Scam Exposey on January 23, 2018, 04:31:27 AM

Quote from: |Admiral| on January 23, 2018, 02:50:48 AM

People get quite and goes to long sleep after getting a DT position ( Most Usually) , only one member that i have ever seen popping out even in bad conditions is Lauda. Only one thing i appreciated about hilariousandco is supporting Lauda, he is a true Member here.

Recently DT system is Just a cleaning crew as mentioned by Ibminer or at least going in that direction. But i still believe in DT system as they have potential to ward of scams.

I disagree with your though's since I think Lauda is doing great for imposing his will here..

What exactly is that will? A cleaner and safer Bitcointalk? Damn that Lauda..

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Quote from: |Admiral| on January 23, 2018, 02:50:48 AM

People get quite and goes to long sleep after getting a DT position ( Most Usually) , only one member that i have ever seen popping out even in bad conditions is Lauda. Only one thing i appreciated about hilariousandco is supporting Lauda, he is a true Member here.

Recently DT system is Just a cleaning crew as mentioned by Ibminer or at least going in that direction. But i still believe in DT system as they have potential to ward of scams.

I disagree with your though's since I think Lauda is doing great for imposing his will here although he made something wrong from the past but he is not so abusive regarding for putting some bad trust on anyone on just one blink of an eye. Those new DT members are the one who's doing some shit right now and for their early days of becoming a DT they abuse it well and they doesn't separate those scam tags and shit tags.

Feel pity for those people who simply live a simple life here and wrecked by those jackals.

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People get quite and goes to long sleep after getting a DT position ( Most Usually) , only one member that i have ever seen popping out even in bad conditions is Lauda. Only one thing i appreciated about hilariousandco is supporting Lauda, he is a true Member here.

Recently DT system is Just a cleaning crew as mentioned by Ibminer or at least going in that direction. But i still believe in DT system as they have potential to ward of scams.

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Quote from: ibminer on January 22, 2018, 04:48:17 PM

Quote from: unyil on January 22, 2018, 03:04:42 PM

Why do members of DT not respond quickly to complaints from users who have a red trust like me?

DT members are basically just users of this community that are trusted by theymos or the various DT1 members. They are not held to any different set of rules or requirements because they are not admins or mods of this forum, they do not get paid, and they really do not have any obligation to respond to you at all. Your chances of being responded to are reduced quite a bit when you are red from negative feedback by other DT members.

Yes I know about it, DT members work volunteers.

But to my confusion, lauda has commented on my thread but he did not spill red ink, he suggested me to see the donation address of VOD, you can see his comments here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27304343, Lauda says she does not have a donation address like that. dear lauda, if you want to get paid for your work pour red ink, then just say, you do not need to be hypocritical over all your attitude. DT members have give the red trust on me has assumed I was a bribe, but he instead advised me to bribe members of DT for my wishes to can be granted. Is not that a subtle crime committed by DT members like lauda?

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Quote from: Lauda on January 23, 2018, 01:51:15 AM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

I really think DT system should be used to prevent people from scamming (or make it a little more difficult at least).

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.

I disagree. The whole point of the feedback, even now, is that you read what it is about. Certain negative feedback can be safely ignored if you want to deal with someone.

Not likely if you're a Buyer/Seller. The Red Marking can easily discourage potential customer whom I think is too busy/lazy to read all the feedbacks.

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 22, 2018, 07:35:02 PM

I really think DT system should be used to prevent people from scamming (or make it a little more difficult at least).

If we leave negative trust to shitposters I think people can end up ignoring the feedback left to scammers/untrustworthy users.

I disagree. The whole point of the feedback, even now, is that you read what it is about. Certain negative feedback can be safely ignored if you want to deal with someone.

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Quote from: Scam Exposey on January 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM

But wait how does actmyname enter on DT network? Does he/she do any good contribution on this furom? Or he became DT Just for the fact that he his turn coat, sticking, praising, agree what DT says and make his name beautiful his his sponsor.

Forum not furom Cheesy

I have a neutral feed back from Yahoo campaign manager, Recently it was mentioned by Jamal another campaign manager, He got tagged himself after rejecting me for having that feed back Cheesy

was it karma or a random accident?
A good campaign manager should see and care for the neutral feed back.

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