Pool hopping is nothing but an automated way of doing what people tend to do anyway: move to a different pool when it isn't making money like you want. I think the operator of that pool has a negative view of it for whatever reason and this was an opportunity to "fight back"
I appreciate him reconsidering what I think was a bad call, even though there was nothing forcing him to do so. I also appreciate him being big enough to reverse himself in public which is very tough to do sometimes.
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He claims to have opened the account so that something can be withdrawn.
Hopefully Nick will have time to withdraw it quickly, even if its not much.
Hopefully Nick will have time to withdraw it quickly, even if its not much.
power of publicity
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10121.msg351614#msg351614
I've asked Jine for a response in the pool thread. I'm sure this will cause controversy from both sides, but pool operators should not withhold payment for work done. If they do it for "pool-hopping" what other judgement will they pass and decline to pay people for?
Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
Can you post this response (I'm guessing from Jine) on the forums? I'm willing to boycott using them as a pool until they reconsider the payout.
Unfortunately, I didn't save the log. He did copy/paste the relevant part into the main #bitcoins.lc channel thread though, if someone happened to be idling there. There's no #bitcoins-lc log saved on the web anywhere.
After discussing that I had been frozen, how he doesn't normally ban hoppers but is making an exception for us, etc, it basically went like this (from memory):
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me: I intend to remove bitcoins-lc from the hopping rotation and don't plan to expend the effort to circumvent the ban. Would you do me a favor, though?
jine: What is it?
me: Will you initiate a payout of the remaining balance on my account, since I can't login to do so?
jine: "No way. :-)"
jine: Those rewards will be used to pay out to the legitimate, non-hopping users of the pool.
me: I see. Note that this is probably going to piss a lot of people off.
jine: Knock yourself out.
jine: What is it?
me: Will you initiate a payout of the remaining balance on my account, since I can't login to do so?
jine: "No way. :-)"
jine: Those rewards will be used to pay out to the legitimate, non-hopping users of the pool.
me: I see. Note that this is probably going to piss a lot of people off.
jine: Knock yourself out.
Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
Can you post this response (I'm guessing from Jine) on the forums? I'm willing to boycott using them as a pool until they reconsider the payout.
So that bitcoins-lc basically stole the money. Nice. I think we need a thread about that issue just to bring light to the fact that they are reserving the right to steal your money as they see fit.
Nick- I appreciate everything you've done. I know you were just trying to help other folks that couldn't get it running and its turned into a bit of a burden. I speak only for myself in saying that I'd be OK with whatever you come up with.
Nick- I appreciate everything you've done. I know you were just trying to help other folks that couldn't get it running and its turned into a bit of a burden. I speak only for myself in saying that I'd be OK with whatever you come up with.
Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
They probably have right to say "You're not welcome to mine here anymore" to anybody. But if the bitcoins.lc admin is honest, he should pay out what he owe. There's no rule banning hopping anywhere at pool's website. Not paying out is scam. Going to switch my miner of their pool, as I was testing it last day.
we need payouts more than anything else to continue. I pointed my miners back before 2 days but took em away again yesterday.
These are the sorts of things you should mention, rather than just getting upset and stewing over.At this point, I expect that Nick is sorry he offered his copy of Multicoin for others to use...
I'm definitely starting to. I get very little out of offering this except that I was trying to help other people out (and a very small fee). I do this in what little free time I have. If you guys want this service to stay up, you're going to need to start being a little more understanding about certain things.It was well known that 2 pools didnt pay out, you wrote something is wrong with the stats parsing. I still just recieved 12.000 of 22.000 Shares. I also made suggestions how to deal with that parsing (no need to do it 100% exact)
http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T
Like tschaboo, i was on the original multipool and believed he pay out sometimes. But its 2 weeks now, i dont expect to get that btc anymore. So i am a bit more cautios now.
So no offend, i hope you unterstand our worries and why we cant mine for stat pages only. I really appreaciate your work and also said thank you in my posts. Once again, thank you for keeping this pool running.
Greetings
Mike
Made a fix. BTCMine shares have started converting. I'll make a payout tomorrow.
We DO appreciate your efforts, nick.
Made a fix. BTCMine shares have started converting. I'll make a payout tomorrow.
Good job, that man!
Will they show up on the stats page as well?
I was using multiclone while my primary pool was having issues, but now I think I'm going to leave. There are no daily payouts, rewards are gone from the pool operator not grabbing their payouts daily, and it is obvious that they are not on top of things either, e.g. bitcoinpool has been having non-stop invalid blocks for the past couple days yet we are still submitting shares to them. There is just too much left to do to make this pool a viable alternative to others and almost no assurance that any of it will get done.
If you want me to look into something like that, you're going to have to tell me your worker address. And I'm not going to explain the BTCmine issue again.
Sorry, I thought that's a known issue? I thought everybody is still waiting for the payouts. I thought this was all just a stats-page-not-yet-parsed thing.http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=18jkF8XQHRPoNYfJKFNWnfT4Xz2sAEwkb7
http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1GxYHKL445GiyXa2XHpQHzDqr4ixeemSSB
http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1B5dUoXDzF1EamzxLejWW2Z7uty5VepYff
Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings.
Well, that's new. Are my really old shares also affected?
Of course the pools are going to ban you
Well I didn't think that the pools are so childish to ban multipool/multiclone. They should fix their scoring instead of hunting down those few hoppers that they can identify. That's really stupid.so you should have been collecting the rewards at least daily.
That's true, of course.Nick, I know that you are doing this as a favor. It's just that original Multipool went down, promised to pay out, but didn't yet. So I have about 25000 shares pending there. And now it's similar here. Two thirds of my shares are not payed yet. In this case it doesn't help much to have a efficiency of 1.2ish. That's still a huge loss.
It's probably that I'm angry about myself being a bit naive. If you read the multipool thread, you can see that I always had faith of multipool coming back. But it seems that I was wrong and he is off with my coins. I just don't want that to happen again.
nick5429, do you really don't understand that people start to worry when more than a week go by and it's still not fixed? Unless a pool has been up for months, I'm not going to trust it with more than a couple of days of unpaid mining, which is why I too have stopped using your pool. While I appreciate your intentions, it seems to me that you are just too naive to run this kind of pool. Of course the pools are going to ban you, so you should have been collecting the rewards at least daily. It's not a coincidence that Multipool was running it behind Tor.
Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone.
btcmine and bitcoins-lc are over 2 days still pending!
For me it's 8 days pending. That's why I didn't use this pool anymore for 7 days. I lost too many shares at the original multipool. I don't want to repeat that here.
we need payouts more than anything else to continue. I pointed my miners back before 2 days but took em away again yesterday.
These are the sorts of things you should mention, rather than just getting upset and stewing over.At this point, I expect that Nick is sorry he offered his copy of Multicoin for others to use...
I'm definitely starting to. I get very little out of offering this except that I was trying to help other people out (and a very small fee). I do this in what little free time I have. If you guys want this service to stay up, you're going to need to start being a little more understanding about certain things.edit: this came off a little harsh. it's been a long day. sorry.
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