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ebliever

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Quote from: tokyoghetto on March 25, 2014, 02:56:59 PM

BCX can't go to jail for mining a coin. It just so happens that he can be more than 51% of most network hashrates. Forks happen all the time its the nature of the beast. Perhaps people are stupid for putting a multi-million dollar valuation on a blockchain that can be forked by such little hashing power.

I see nothing wrong with this.

AUR has a value established by free markets. You see nothing wrong with deliberately destroying or degrading that value out of malice?

If Icelanders come to value this windfall and then BCX deliberately damages the value of their holdings, I could see a hue and cry from the Icelandic population demanding that their government do something. It would not be hard to imagine them charging him with any manner of infractions having to do with property damage, vandalism, financial wrongdoing, you name it - and seeking to extradite him.

tokyoghetto

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BCX can't go to jail for mining a coin. It just so happens that he can be more than 51% of most network hashrates. Forks happen all the time its the nature of the beast. Perhaps people are stupid for putting a multi-million dollar valuation on a blockchain that can be forked by such little hashing power.

I see nothing wrong with this.

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The thing I find bizarre about this notion is the assumption the dev just has to be scamming people, and the fact that those who want to kill the coin never even once consider a simple idea -- that maybe they are wrong.

Yeah, it's possible it's all a scam. Same way it's possible that your neighbor is a thief. It doesn't mean you should go over there and set his house on fire, just because he could possibly be a criminal.

I wonder how much of this is due to preconceived notions based on what they (they meaning the shitcoin killing devs) would do with such a premine? They probably would cash out the premine, so assume everyone else would do so too.

And I'm not saying this can't be a scam. Nor that the coin is even worthwhile. It's just wrong to assume it's a scam without any proof, however. I do think they underestimate how much exposure the coin has gotten, as has been mentioned already -- national news, politicians talking about it, etc. Exposure most alts can only dream about.

Trying to kill the coin would seemingly go against common sense, as well, as news of the coin failing won't help cryptos in any way ... and that includes bitcoin. So besides becoming enemies of Icelandic people, it very well could make enemies of anyone who holds bitcoins too.

BohemianStalker

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Quote from: ebliever on March 25, 2014, 01:43:19 PM

Quote from: kalus on March 25, 2014, 12:54:40 PM

Quote from: BohemianStalker on March 25, 2014, 12:10:47 PM

attacka coin with a nation behind it.

what nation is this? which nation has decided to back auroracoin officially?

not iceland. it's a foreign currency imposed on iceland.

Cryptocurrency is not "foreign", it is local to ALL of us. Let THEM decide if they want it or not. I'm amazed at the hostility being shown against Auroracoin and Icelanders without a shred of evidence.

In science it is critical that an idea to be testable to be considered "scientific." So I suggest you Auroracoin-haters make your beliefs testable: propose criterion by which everyone can see whether it is a scam or not.

Taking hostile action at Block 5400 (or any other time) in the absence of unambiguous evidence of a scam is equivalent to violently assaulting someone on the street because you vaguely imagine they are up to no good. And you ought to be held accountable for the damage caused.

Just as wrecking a national currency through malevolent manipulation could likely lead to jail sentences, destroying cryptocurrency of real value out of spite also ought to put you up for a jail sentence. Think about it.

Well BCex propably wants to make 330 000 new enemies in one day. For his own sake I hope there is none rich Icelander buying all the auras. Or even some group. The consequences could be...bad..

ebliever

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Quote from: kalus on March 25, 2014, 12:54:40 PM

Quote from: BohemianStalker on March 25, 2014, 12:10:47 PM

attacka coin with a nation behind it.

what nation is this? which nation has decided to back auroracoin officially?

not iceland. it's a foreign currency imposed on iceland.

Cryptocurrency is not "foreign", it is local to ALL of us. Let THEM decide if they want it or not. I'm amazed at the hostility being shown against Auroracoin and Icelanders without a shred of evidence.

In science it is critical that an idea to be testable to be considered "scientific." So I suggest you Auroracoin-haters make your beliefs testable: propose criterion by which everyone can see whether it is a scam or not.

Taking hostile action at Block 5400 (or any other time) in the absence of unambiguous evidence of a scam is equivalent to violently assaulting someone on the street because you vaguely imagine they are up to no good. And you ought to be held accountable for the damage caused.

Just as wrecking a national currency through malevolent manipulation could likely lead to jail sentences, destroying cryptocurrency of real value out of spite also ought to put you up for a jail sentence. Think about it.

BohemianStalker

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Quote from: broken_pixel on March 25, 2014, 12:09:33 PM

Quote from: podizzle on March 25, 2014, 11:26:13 AM

bitcoinexpress is a scam he is nothing but a realsolid sock puppet

He is RealSolid..... Stay tuned. Tongue

http://twitter.com/zarquonsknees

This is realsolid. It has to be. Look at this guy's Twitter post from Aug 21, 2011 which also happens to be the very first day that the original Solidcoìn launched. That was Realsolid's first foray into Crypto. This info first surfaced back in 2011 so it is nothing new. At that time this guy was linked via Linked to Ken Armitt of CryptoXchange via a common company in Melbourne called Quest Software. Now bcx and Realsolid being the same individual makes totasl sense as their personalities are similar.

Interesting. Because I spill so many hate posts on BCex few people already contacted me if I know his true identity. They were willing to pay big amounts of bitcoins for it. Oh maybe they just want to shake his hand Cheesy

:D

numbl

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Quote from: hellscabane on March 25, 2014, 01:04:39 PM

I will say that I'm still on the fence regarding the veracity and legitimacy of the airdrop. I think there needs to be more compelling evidence regarding the distribution. Sure the buzz via Facebook/Twitter is great and so forth, but does it mean that the redemption has so far gone according to plan? If this news has permeated the entire country, wouldn't there be more of a clamor to get their coins? Since this is tied with national identifiers, is there any way to show which parts of the country has had a higher percentage of redemption or something to that effect? Just curious.

Well, there are currently two ways to verify nationality; both of whom work sporadically, I'm sad to say. I had problems claiming my coins at first because the system is too anal comparing data between systems and I had to actually contact one institution to change my public information in order to get the authentication to work. But essentially, they are verifying data against the national registry, Facebook(don't like that one in the least) and Mobile SMS authentications. They seem to also be trying to work an official govt backed login system into the mix as well(which would almost completely seal the deal on legitimizing claims to the premine.) But as to visualizing the data; from what little they expose to the public, I can only guess they are logging social registry data to keep track of claims as they give out a nice warning on the website that the same social id can't claim their share more than once if you try to double-claim it

So with that data in hand they could most certainly come up with a graph of some sort - but I'm not sure as to the legality of publicizing such a chart. Then again, they might also just be hashing the data for security reason... So I can't say for sure.

Azeh

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Quote from: illodin on March 25, 2014, 01:20:47 PM

Quote from: Watchy312 on March 25, 2014, 01:04:21 PM

Other possiblities are :
- the dev is an extremely nice dude or/and an insanely proud dude
- Auroracoin real goal is to wreck chaos across Iceland
- something else?

- honest
- crazy
- already wealthy
- mined early like many others who saw the potential
- wants to make a difference

The answer however is probably a little bit of each. Cheesy

Forgot a couple of other possibilities:
-loves his country
-hates the banks

illodin

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Quote from: Watchy312 on March 25, 2014, 01:04:21 PM

Other possiblities are :
- the dev is an extremely nice dude or/and an insanely proud dude
- Auroracoin real goal is to wreck chaos across Iceland
- something else?

- honest
- crazy
- already wealthy
- mined early like many others who saw the potential
- wants to make a difference

The answer however is probably a little bit of each. Cheesy

Azeh

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Quote from: Azeh on March 25, 2014, 12:55:33 PM

Quote from: kalus on March 25, 2014, 12:49:08 PM

Quote from: Azeh on March 25, 2014, 11:43:55 AM

Really, dumbass. I'm certainly not an insider. However, I can say that I had huge buy orders set at low prices and the price bounced off of those a few times, which prevented the price from dropping further.

exhibit 'A'.

thanks for playing!

Nope. Sorry for your poor reading skills.

My point was that I'm not an insider.

Get back to your groupie work...LOL. I'll be waiting for you to echo his thoughts on his next thread.

Quote from: kalus on March 25, 2014, 12:49:08 PM

Quote from: Azeh on March 25, 2014, 11:43:55 AM

Really, dumbass. I'm certainly not an insider. However, I can say that I had huge buy orders set at low prices and the price bounced off of those a few times, which prevented the price from dropping further.

exhibit 'A'.

thanks for playing!

crass manipulation is what a national currency should be all about.

Way to edit your post to make yourself look better.

Not only are you a brainless follower, but also a huge douche.

hellscabane

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Watchy312

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Quote from: Azeh on March 25, 2014, 12:35:27 PM

Quote from: Watchy312 on March 25, 2014, 12:26:50 PM

He is not proved wrong in the sense it could still be a scam

Really Watchy?

The price hit .16 AUR per bitcoin. Liquidity at that time was quite high. Dev didn't move a single coin at that time, however he could have and in doing so run off with millions.

Now he's going to do it now that the airdrop is underway and the spotlight is on Auroracoin at this time, as evidenced by all the news stories in Iceland. I think not...

Furthermore, Icelanders on Facebook and Twitter are claiming they've received their coins.

However, I'm sure the dev has profited from the AUR rise. I'm sure he was one of the first miners when difficulty was low and made a nice profit already...DURRR...why is this so hard to believe? Maybe he's still holding coin, who knows?

The point is, he hasn't scammed anyone and if he we're going to he would have done it before the lights got too bright.

Indeed it is insanely surprising the dev have not cashed in because in today world very few people don't care much about money so...
the dev not being able to really cash in loads before, though being weak, is still imo the most solid possibility

Other possiblities are :
- the dev is an extremely nice dude or/and an insanely proud dude
- Auroracoin real goal is to wreck chaos across Iceland
- something else?

Azeh

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Quote from: kalus on March 25, 2014, 12:54:40 PM

Quote from: BohemianStalker on March 25, 2014, 12:10:47 PM

attacka coin with a nation behind it.

what nation is this? which nation has decided to back auroracoin officially?

not iceland. it's a foreign currency imposed on iceland.

Look out everyone.

We got a real brainiac here.

Azeh

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Quote from: kalus on March 25, 2014, 12:49:08 PM

Quote from: Azeh on March 25, 2014, 11:43:55 AM

Really, dumbass. I'm certainly not an insider. However, I can say that I had huge buy orders set at low prices and the price bounced off of those a few times, which prevented the price from dropping further.

exhibit 'A'.

thanks for playing!

Nope. Sorry for your poor reading skills.

My point was that I'm not an insider.

Get back to your groupie work...LOL. I'll be waiting for you to echo his thoughts on his next thread.

kalus

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let's make a deal.

Quote from: BohemianStalker on March 25, 2014, 12:10:47 PM

attacka coin with a nation behind it.

what nation is this? which nation has decided to back auroracoin officially?

not iceland. it's a foreign currency imposed on iceland.

kalus

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let's make a deal.

Quote from: Azeh on March 25, 2014, 11:43:55 AM

Really, dumbass. I'm certainly not an insider. However, I can say that I had huge buy orders set at low prices and the price bounced off of those a few times, which prevented the price from dropping further.

exhibit 'A'.

thanks for playing!

crass manipulation is what a national currency should be all about.

Azeh

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Quote from: Watchy312 on March 25, 2014, 12:26:50 PM

He is not proved wrong in the sense it could still be a scam

Really Watchy?

The price hit .16 AUR per bitcoin. Liquidity at that time was quite high. Dev didn't move a single coin at that time, however he could have and in doing so run off with millions.

Now he's going to do it now that the airdrop is underway and the spotlight is on Auroracoin at this time, as evidenced by all the news stories in Iceland. I think not...

Furthermore, Icelanders on Facebook and Twitter are claiming they've received their coins.

However, I'm sure the dev has profited from the AUR rise. I'm sure he was one of the first miners when difficulty was low and made a nice profit already...DURRR...why is this so hard to believe? Maybe he's still holding coin, who knows?

The point is, he hasn't scammed anyone and if he we're going to he would have done it before the lights got too bright.

Watchy312

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He is not proved wrong in the sense it could still be a scam

Azeh

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Quote from: broken_pixel on March 25, 2014, 12:09:33 PM

Quote from: podizzle on March 25, 2014, 11:26:13 AM

bitcoinexpress is a scam he is nothing but a realsolid sock puppet

He is RealSolid..... Stay tuned. Tongue

Nobody is attacking his ability as a hacker.

However, I for one, am attacking his character and his morality.

He is being proven wrong. AUR is not a scam.

His original intent was to destroy the coin before the airdrop so as to prevent the scam from occuring.

Now he wants to destroy the coin out of spite, in effect destroying any value of the coin for those who hold it, including many Icelanders new to crypto.

Cognitive Dissonance much?

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Quote from: broken_pixel on March 25, 2014, 12:09:33 PM

Quote from: podizzle on March 25, 2014, 11:26:13 AM

bitcoinexpress is a scam he is nothing but a realsolid sock puppet

He is RealSolid..... Stay tuned. Tongue

i can see it.

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