Also bear in mind that what (s)he did to litecoin was simply pretend to plan a 51% attack, in order to rally the miners to defend it.
This coin not only did the miners not rally to defend it but it fell apart all by itself without even waiting for the purported planned attack.
Plus still no one has even bothered to fix the bug, have they?
Obviously it is a total scam, that is why they don't bother even trying to fix it: they don't care if it fails because they never intended it to last beyond their own quick-money cash-out.
How many other 50% pre-mine coins have they already moved on to?
Do they all have the same broken-ness?
-MarkM-
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Was going to reply but it's become a little bit of a circle jerk.
Night guys
Night guys
You're that jaded that innovation means auroracoin to you? You keep regurgitating the same talking points and talking up theft as if its ever a good thing. bxc and his ilk offer no solutions other than to take money straight out of peoples hands. Nothing stand up about that.
I don't think this is about "talking up theft" at all.
It's about pointing out that auroracoin was insecure and that the developers didn't give a toss about it's insecurity and neither did it's community (because they weren't bothering to mine it but were waiting for air-drops instead!). As an aside, since when is money "free"? You either earn it through mining, or earn it through work and use earned money to buy more coins.
If it could be taken down so quickly and easily by some anonymous guy with a botnet, then the Icelandic govt could also have taken it down too. So what's the point of this coin (apart from making the developer rich on false hype)?
If people are serious about cryptos, they'll make them robust against all comers. If they're not serious and are looking for a quick pump and collapse - well at least be honest that you are not serious, and don't whine when it collapses.
Don't get me wrong I fully agree with you but the way its being done is completly wrong. If I were to go out and hack someones bank accout exposing a security flaw in the banking system would I be looked at as some sort of hero? Nah..My ass would be locked up in gaol for a long time. The real "heroes" are the guys that see the problem and help fix it without fucking over thousands of people.
And for how many weeks have people been pointing out that this coin is vulnerable? I've read dozens of threads and I only look into the forum a few times a week! People were given plenty of warning - and they didn't care enough to do a thing about it. If the Icelanders really wanted this coin they should have started mining it. If the speculators didn't want to see their investment go to zero, they too should have started mining it. But they didn't because at the end of the day they didn't care. This coin died because it's community didn't care.
You're that jaded that innovation means auroracoin to you? You keep regurgitating the same talking points and talking up theft as if its ever a good thing. bxc and his ilk offer no solutions other than to take money straight out of peoples hands. Nothing stand up about that.
I don't think this is about "talking up theft" at all.
It's about pointing out that auroracoin was insecure and that the developers didn't give a toss about it's insecurity and neither did it's community (because they weren't bothering to mine it but were waiting for air-drops instead!). As an aside, since when is money "free"? You either earn it through mining, or earn it through work and use earned money to buy more coins.
If it could be taken down so quickly and easily by some anonymous guy with a botnet, then the Icelandic govt could also have taken it down too. So what's the point of this coin (apart from making the developer rich on false hype)?
If people are serious about cryptos, they'll make them robust against all comers. If they're not serious and are looking for a quick pump and collapse - well at least be honest that you are not serious, and don't whine when it collapses.
Based on your logic Satoshi Nakamoto has been first and bigest scammer
He pump and left the project and Bitcoin unsecure
I simply cant read provocations when one uses empty frases it only show he is ultimate fool, or ultimate demagogist
What is insecure, crypto experts?
There is mining community, they have been waiting for block 5400m becouse of difficulty
It cannot be taken down quickly, its only bullshit
If anybody will waste time to disabel for short time distributed system, once he will find its relativly easy to get it back
If someone cant see point of this coin, he can simply leave it
Robust coin? A rethorics from bulevard magazin?
What is it quick pump and collapse?
Most whining here are haters
You're that jaded that innovation means auroracoin to you? You keep regurgitating the same talking points and talking up theft as if its ever a good thing. bxc and his ilk offer no solutions other than to take money straight out of peoples hands. Nothing stand up about that.
I don't think this is about "talking up theft" at all.
It's about pointing out that auroracoin was insecure and that the developers didn't give a toss about it's insecurity and neither did it's community (because they weren't bothering to mine it but were waiting for air-drops instead!). As an aside, since when is money "free"? You either earn it through mining, or earn it through work and use earned money to buy more coins.
If it could be taken down so quickly and easily by some anonymous guy with a botnet, then the Icelandic govt could also have taken it down too. So what's the point of this coin (apart from making the developer rich on false hype)?
If people are serious about cryptos, they'll make them robust against all comers. If they're not serious and are looking for a quick pump and collapse - well at least be honest that you are not serious, and don't whine when it collapses.
Don't get me wrong I fully agree with you but the way its being done is completly wrong. If I were to go out and hack someones bank accout exposing a security flaw in the banking system would I be looked at as some sort of hero? Nah..My ass would be locked up in gaol for a long time. The real "heroes" are the guys that see the problem and help fix it without fucking over thousands of people.
You're that jaded that innovation means auroracoin to you? You keep regurgitating the same talking points and talking up theft as if its ever a good thing. bxc and his ilk offer no solutions other than to take money straight out of peoples hands. Nothing stand up about that.
I don't think this is about "talking up theft" at all.
It's about pointing out that auroracoin was insecure and that the developers didn't give a toss about it's insecurity and neither did it's community (because they weren't bothering to mine it but were waiting for free air-drops instead!). As an aside, since when is money "free"? You either earn it through mining, or earn it through work and use earned money to buy more coins.
If it could be taken down so quickly and easily by some anonymous guy with a botnet, then the Icelandic govt could also have taken it down too. So what's the point of this coin (apart from making the developer rich on false hype)?
If people are serious about cryptos, they'll make them robust against all comers. If they're not serious and are looking for a quick pump and collapse - well at least be honest that you are not serious, and don't whine when it collapses.
ok lets sort it out
hardfork on block 5400 has been announced a log time ago
im gonna buy some AUR, coz its cool
hardfork on block 5400 has been announced a log time ago
im gonna buy some AUR, coz its cool
And yet you live in a world full of chaos and madness, brutality , psychopats and all that .
And all that stand between you and that world is 6 centimeters of your wooden door.
Your argument is flawed. Just because something is very vunerable does not mean it should not exist. The lack of internet laws and healthy amount of regulation promotes all of this. I wonder how many people would ddos and hack cryptocurrencies if it would be considered a 10+years offense.
haha yep. According to his logic if I'm able to gain access to his house I have free reign to enter his house and steal all his property..Not only that but he would consider it "cool", cos after all how secure can doors be if I can brake the lock?
We must expose the door scam for what it is before more people decide to create more doors!
You juvenile pricks think this is funny? Every time you harm an alt coin you drive more people away from crypto. This is just another nail in the bitcoiner coffin ... RIP
agreed
+1
anyone that doesnt realise how this hurts the crypto scene as a whole is either retarded or made their money on btc and no longer gives a fuck what happens to anyone else.
Pathetic excuses for human beings.
--Anyone remember egold? That's what the outsider's will come to think of crypto if faggots like bcx are allowed to run rampant.
That is why so many people object to the creation of insanely scammy garbage blockchains whose developers have no intention of securing the chain and not enough hardware and electricity to secure it even if they did pretend to themselves that their pathetic number of hashes could come anywhere close to securing it.
It is why so many people object to the deliberate scamming of investors by the creation of scrypt blockchains when scrypt has already been clearly shown to be garbage, a scammer's algorithm for scammers who plan to deliberately jump from chain to chain to chain, their only objective being to scam money from suckers; miners who have no intention to secure anything, just to scam money for themselves even if that means having other scammers keep making new scamcoins for these scam miners to mine.
So yeah, it is not cool to create worthless garbage scamcoins that you cannot secure.
It is perfectly cool to demonstrate that such scams are scams, because even despite such demonstrations (remember DOGE, which demonstrated that even litecoin was not secure because a stupid meme could conjure up enough hashing power to PWN it, for example) the scam miners keep co-operating with the scam coin-cloners to keep churning out more scams. Thus obviously not enough such demonstrations have been made, or they have not been made forcefully enough and publicly enough for "everyone" to clearly realise that it is not cool to create a blockchain you cannot secure.
-MarkM-
And yet you live in a world full of chaos and madness, brutality , psychopats and all that .
And all that stand between you and that world is 6 centimeters of your wooden door.
Your argument is flawed. Just because something is very vunerable does not mean it should not exist. The lack of internet laws and healthy amount of regulation promotes all of this. I wonder how many people would ddos and hack cryptocurrencies if it would be considered a 10+years offense.
You juvenile pricks think this is funny? Every time you harm an alt coin you drive more people away from crypto. This is just another nail in the bitcoiner coffin ... RIP
agreed
+1
anyone that doesnt realise how this hurts the crypto scene as a whole is either retarded or made their money on btc and no longer gives a fuck what happens to anyone else.
Pathetic excuses for human beings.
--Anyone remember egold? That's what the outsider's will come to think of crypto if faggots like bcx are allowed to run rampant.
...demonstrate that such scams are scams, because even despite such demonstrations (remember DOGE, which demonstrated that even litecoin was not secure because a stupid meme could conjure up enough hashing power to PWN it, for example) the scam miners keep co-operating with the scam coin-cloners to keep churning out more scams. Thus obviously not enough such demonstrations have been made, or they have not been made forcefully enough and publicly enough for "everyone" to clearly realise that it is not cool to create a blockchain you cannot secure.
-MarkM-
ok, there are coins and nobody is going to ask, if he can
does not matter who convinced himself he is savior
messages only demostrates hateness, jealousy and lack of competence, sent by loosers with life good-for-nothing,
depsite of the same haters got free gift of dosen coins based on opensource, they declared themself to be the ones who is only
eligible to decide what is clean race of coins
there is no public audience interested in repetition of scam word
a demonstration of weakness and jealousy based on impotence to enter competition
You juvenile pricks think this is funny? Every time you harm an alt coin you drive more people away from crypto. This is just another nail in the bitcoiner coffin ... RIP
agreed
+1
anyone that doesnt realise how this hurts the crypto scene as a whole is either retarded or made their money on btc and no longer gives a fuck what happens to anyone else.
Pathetic excuses for human beings.
--Anyone remember egold? That's what the outsider's will come to think of crypto if faggots like bcx are allowed to run rampant.
That is why so many people object to the creation of insanely scammy garbage blockchains whose developers have no intention of securing the chain and not enough hardware and electricity to secure it even if they did pretend to themselves that their pathetic number of hashes could come anywhere close to securing it.
It is why so many people object to the deliberate scamming of investors by the creation of scrypt blockchains when scrypt has already been clearly shown to be garbage, a scammer's algorithm for scammers who plan to deliberately jump from chain to chain to chain, their only objective being to scam money from suckers; miners who have no intention to secure anything, just to scam money for themselves even if that means having other scammers keep making new scamcoins for these scam miners to mine.
So yeah, it is not cool to create worthless garbage scamcoins that you cannot secure.
It is perfectly cool to demonstrate that such scams are scams, because even despite such demonstrations (remember DOGE, which demonstrated that even litecoin was not secure because a stupid meme could conjure up enough hashing power to PWN it, for example) the scam miners keep co-operating with the scam coin-cloners to keep churning out more scams. Thus obviously not enough such demonstrations have been made, or they have not been made forcefully enough and publicly enough for "everyone" to clearly realise that it is not cool to create a blockchain you cannot secure.
-MarkM-
What you describe is the free market at work. Not doge's fault it had some killer advertising and got alot of new guys involved in crypto. While I do agree with you about fracturing the community and the hashrate making many coins insecure thats a far cry from what bcx and others like him are trying to do which is to flat out take money from investors and miners alike.
Without a market like this innovation will not come. Sure the scene looks shitty now but over time more and more people will get into crypto and some of those will have the skills and motivation to help improve it...All shit like this does is ensure those people never enter the scene.
Well if that is all it can do, rather than serving to help ensure they don't enter with garbage scams, maybe it is good to keep them out of the scene.
If they imagine that churning out more and more scams/ponzis is "innovation" we are probably better off without them.
New innovative scams, oh wow how awesome, not.
DOGE served to show that if general purpose hardware can attack a coin that coin is not secure.
You need to develop special purpose hardware, at minimum. Some claim even that will not work but failing to do it is even more certain not to work.
-MarkM-
You're that jaded that innovation means auroracoin to you? You keep regurgitating the same talking points and talking up theft as if its ever a good thing. bxc and his ilk offer no solutions other than to take money straight out of peoples hands. Nothing stand up about that.
You juvenile pricks think this is funny? Every time you harm an alt coin you drive more people away from crypto. This is just another nail in the bitcoiner coffin ... RIP
agreed
+1
anyone that doesnt realise how this hurts the crypto scene as a whole is either retarded or made their money on btc and no longer gives a fuck what happens to anyone else.
Pathetic excuses for human beings.
--Anyone remember egold? That's what the outsider's will come to think of crypto if faggots like bcx are allowed to run rampant.
That is why so many people object to the creation of insanely scammy garbage blockchains whose developers have no intention of securing the chain and not enough hardware and electricity to secure it even if they did pretend to themselves that their pathetic number of hashes could come anywhere close to securing it.
It is why so many people object to the deliberate scamming of investors by the creation of scrypt blockchains when scrypt has already been clearly shown to be garbage, a scammer's algorithm for scammers who plan to deliberately jump from chain to chain to chain, their only objective being to scam money from suckers; miners who have no intention to secure anything, just to scam money for themselves even if that means having other scammers keep making new scamcoins for these scam miners to mine.
So yeah, it is not cool to create worthless garbage scamcoins that you cannot secure.
It is perfectly cool to demonstrate that such scams are scams, because even despite such demonstrations (remember DOGE, which demonstrated that even litecoin was not secure because a stupid meme could conjure up enough hashing power to PWN it, for example) the scam miners keep co-operating with the scam coin-cloners to keep churning out more scams. Thus obviously not enough such demonstrations have been made, or they have not been made forcefully enough and publicly enough for "everyone" to clearly realise that it is not cool to create a blockchain you cannot secure.
-MarkM-
What you describe is the free market at work. Not doge's fault it had some killer advertising and got alot of new guys involved in crypto. While I do agree with you about fracturing the community and the hashrate making many coins insecure thats a far cry from what bcx and others like him are trying to do which is to flat out take money from investors and miners alike.
Without a market like this innovation will not come. Sure the scene looks shitty now but over time more and more people will get into crypto and some of those will have the skills and motivation to help improve it...All shit like this does is ensure those people never enter the scene.
Well if that is all it can do, rather than serving to help ensure they don't enter with garbage scams, maybe it is good to keep them out of the scene.
If they imagine that churning out more and more scams/ponzis is "innovation" we are probably better off without them.
New innovative scams, oh wow how awesome, not.
DOGE served to show that if general purpose hardware can attack a coin that coin is not secure.
You need to develop special purpose hardware, at minimum. Some claim even that will not work but failing to do it is even more certain not to work.
-MarkM-
You juvenile pricks think this is funny? Every time you harm an alt coin you drive more people away from crypto. This is just another nail in the bitcoiner coffin ... RIP
agreed
+1
anyone that doesnt realise how this hurts the crypto scene as a whole is either retarded or made their money on btc and no longer gives a fuck what happens to anyone else.
Pathetic excuses for human beings.
--Anyone remember egold? That's what the outsider's will come to think of crypto if faggots like bcx are allowed to run rampant.
That is why so many people object to the creation of insanely scammy garbage blockchains whose developers have no intention of securing the chain and not enough hardware and electricity to secure it even if they did pretend to themselves that their pathetic number of hashes could come anywhere close to securing it.
It is why so many people object to the deliberate scamming of investors by the creation of scrypt blockchains when scrypt has already been clearly shown to be garbage, a scammer's algorithm for scammers who plan to deliberately jump from chain to chain to chain, their only objective being to scam money from suckers; miners who have no intention to secure anything, just to scam money for themselves even if that means having other scammers keep making new scamcoins for these scam miners to mine.
So yeah, it is not cool to create worthless garbage scamcoins that you cannot secure.
It is perfectly cool to demonstrate that such scams are scams, because even despite such demonstrations (remember DOGE, which demonstrated that even litecoin was not secure because a stupid meme could conjure up enough hashing power to PWN it, for example) the scam miners keep co-operating with the scam coin-cloners to keep churning out more scams. Thus obviously not enough such demonstrations have been made, or they have not been made forcefully enough and publicly enough for "everyone" to clearly realise that it is not cool to create a blockchain you cannot secure.
-MarkM-
What you describe is the free market at work. Not doge's fault it had some killer advertising and got alot of new guys involved in crypto. While I do agree with you about fracturing the community and the hashrate making many coins insecure thats a far cry from what bcx and others like him are trying to do which is to flat out take money from investors and miners alike.
Without a market like this innovation will not come. Sure the scene looks shitty now but over time more and more people will get into crypto and some of those will have the skills and motivation to help improve it...All shit like this does is ensure those people never enter the scene. Not only hurting alts but bitcoin at the same time.
Don't worry people, BitcoinEXpress is a troll with moderate hashing power who 51%'s all new altcoins because he's a sad little faggot and likes the attention. Read Litecoin's ANN thread when it first started... you'll find him there 51%ing it and talking about it's death. He just gets off on fear mongering.
Just bought some AUR!
Icelanders need to get of the teat and secure their currency.
You juvenile pricks think this is funny? Every time you harm an alt coin you drive more people away from crypto. This is just another nail in the bitcoiner coffin ... RIP
agreed
+1
anyone that doesnt realise how this hurts the crypto scene as a whole is either retarded or made their money on btc and no longer gives a fuck what happens to anyone else.
Pathetic excuses for human beings.
--Anyone remember egold? That's what the outsider's will come to think of crypto if faggots like bcx are allowed to run rampant.
That is why so many people object to the creation of insanely scammy garbage blockchains whose developers have no intention of securing the chain and not enough hardware and electricity to secure it even if they did pretend to themselves that their pathetic number of hashes could come anywhere close to securing it.
It is why so many people object to the deliberate scamming of investors by the creation of scrypt blockchains when scrypt has already been clearly shown to be garbage, a scammer's algorithm for scammers who plan to deliberately jump from chain to chain to chain, their only objective being to scam money from suckers; miners who have no intention to secure anything, just to scam money for themselves even if that means having other scammers keep making new scamcoins for these scam miners to mine.
So yeah, it is not cool to create worthless garbage scamcoins that you cannot secure.
It is perfectly cool to demonstrate that such scams are scams, because even despite such demonstrations (remember DOGE, which demonstrated that even litecoin was not secure because a stupid meme could conjure up enough hashing power to PWN it, for example) the scam miners keep co-operating with the scam coin-cloners to keep churning out more scams. Thus obviously not enough such demonstrations have been made, or they have not been made forcefully enough and publicly enough for "everyone" to clearly realise that it is not cool to create a blockchain you cannot secure.
-MarkM-
@Everyone
This fork was planned since weeks. This is pure manipulation and misinformation. Stop paying attention.
This fork was planned since weeks. This is pure manipulation and misinformation. Stop paying attention.
I do agree, but problem is there is dozen of uneducated people out there who dont know whats going on
and ofcourse including all who are not touched with any coins including Bitcoin, this selfish and envy "strategy" is going directly against any coin
and fiat money are laughing
i did not imagine that weak spot of coins are people, haters and jealous, what a shame
fork is not a too bad thing, but i hopt this shitcoin die . 50% premine, fuck .
so NXT is more secure 
NXT to the Moon 
NXT to the Moon Well, maybe it will...but we'll have to wait a long time.
That's actually better than a quick bubble. There's enough time to poke around with the nuts-and-bolts and see how it works.
Standalone POS coins have many advantages over NXT - plus they far less resemble a bullshit hyip pyramid scheme (which after the initial POS influence on other developers NXT had - that is all it deserves ever be)
Your opinion, of course. Myself, I'm waiting until 2015 to see what Nxters have come up with innovation-wise. You may not know this, but it's already set a standard that's much better than the one set by (say) Dogecoin. It's the first new cyber that was coded from scratch to be a full 2.0 coin. NEM and eXocoin are both in development, and there's a new IPO, Numus, that hopes to produce the fourth. Next year, the joint's really going to be jumping in this area.
I hope all of them succeed hugely, for more than mercenary reasons. If they do, they'll set a standard for altcoins that'll be a huge relief for the crapcon-haters here: in order to make serious money, you have to do serious coding - from scratch. What could be better for the field?
[P.S.: I know about Mastercoin, but it's a protocoin because it depends on the Bitcoin blockchain. The ones I listed above are Bitcoin-independent.]
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