Topic: delete Investor-based games section (Read 2786 times)

>Historically the site has taken the stance of moderating content as little as possible and really I do not see that changing.


I guess I'm still not making myself clear: There's a difference between not moderating content & enabling/prompoting/fascilitating it.

Letting Neo-Nazis march down our street: Hands-off approach; freedoms.

Building a clubhouse for Neo-Nazis in our town hall & promoting it in our town newspaper? Fucked up, and makes our town look retarded.

Apologies, Mr. Godwin, but when obvious shit like "promoting ponzis makes Bitcoin look bad" needs to be explained, I'm running out of absurdities to reach for.

Historically the site has taken the stance of moderating content as little as possible and really I do not see that changing. Obviously, they cannot allow some topics (such as CP) for legal reasons. Could the gambling and securities sections be a legal risk for the forum/theymos? Perhaps, but (given those sections existence) it is obviously something that is currently deemed acceptable.

As a side note, you can actually sell guns on this forum as long as you are doing it in a legal manner. For example, if you were in the US, you have to post that it is a FFL to FFL US only sale.

I agree with you. Bitcoin being associated with Gambling and Ponzis is bad for bitcoin as well as bitcoiners. I thought of suggesting these sections to be shut down but I knew that nobody would support me. Their reasons would be, people are sensible enough to know what is a ponzi or casino, the members would advertise through other means on the forum, they would message members to invest in ponzis, the forum doesn't take responsibility of any scams and so on. The discussion again comes to square one and for me since BCT is so far the most popular bitcoin forums, it's sad that it supports these sections which is simply for money laundering. Bitcoins being anonymous makes it a victim to these ponzi websites and casinos.

>I'd assume theymos wouldn't want the site shut down and/or face other legal issues.
Perhaps, but AFAIK promoting unregistered securities & unlicensed online gambling is not strictly legal in US either, is it?

>Please point out where the forum is being overrun with CP, drugs and guns.
My point precisely. The forum is not being overrun by CP, drug & gun sales, without subforums being created for any of that. Because against forum policy.

Bitcointalk is not about providing a platform for degenerate gamblers, it's about discussion and promotion of Bitcoin. Having Bitcoin associated with ponzis is bad for Bitcoin. Promoting ponzis on Bitcointalk is bad for Bitcoin. This is prima facie shit, the fact that I need to explain this is, frankly, worrying.

This forum is not powerless at policing its policies. Millions of dollars were donated to Bitcointalk (not millions at the time of donation, but thanks to BTC price increase). If you feel that's not enough to pay for forum moderation, I guess I got nothing.

I'd assume theymos wouldn't want the site shut down and/or face other legal issues.

The gambling section was being overrun with ponzi-style games, there was a need to have them separated from more traditional gambling. Please point out where the forum is being overrun with CP, drugs and guns.

Just how helpless are we? I don't see drugs or CP being sold on this forum, why is that?
Going by your logic, we should create "CP" & "Drugs & Guns" sections, to keep the forum from being overrun.

if Investor-based games section removed then they will start posting thread about their ponzi site everywhere in forum
its better to keep all the ponzi in one section the all over the forum

>I am not an expert in this, so I can't comment.

No, you're not an expert, Muhammed Zakir, which never stopped you from spamming before. Because your shit sig ad makes you a few satoshi each time you post.

If you didn't have mod dick in your mouth, all the time, you would have been banned a long time ago. But mod dick needs sucking, so you're still here.

I'll now politely ask you to stop posting in this thread. Thanks.

The Gambling board was cluttered with ponzi/HYIP threads. To avoid this, a new board was created. Search "ponzi" in Meta and you can see many threads suggesting to create new board. Number of dice games and/or poker threads aren't high as ponzis/HYIPs were/are.


I am not an expert in this, so I can't comment. Two things I am sure are ponzis/HYIPs is illegal and theymos doesn't do anything silly. There must be some lawys which allows a dedicated board for ponzis/HYIPs in a forum.

^To what end? If ponzis are gambling, why subjugate them to a subforum? AFAIK, dice games don't have a special sub, neither does poker.

And I'm still at a loss re. legacy finance forums not having sections dedicated to promotion of ponzis, or ones selling warez. Could you opine on the matter?

To filter ponzis/HYIPs and similar from gambling and it's discussion.

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No, shorena, you're mistaken, I've never suggested that ponzis are scams.
The nice story about the crackdealer on my stoop describes a fair and decent crack dealer. The kid don't scam, the crackwhores really do give head, so they're providing a service.

My only objection is to all this fairness happening right on my stoop--crackwhores are not the desired demographic of my financial firm. It scares the customers away by allowing them to (unsoundly) assume that my investment firm is, in some way, related to selling rock to whores. "If you got nothing to do with crackwhores, why are they sucking the D, glass and otherwise, right in your lobby, why in the world did you set up a shop for them?" my clients ask me.

And there I stand, shorena, blushing. Unable to explain why I set up a section for promoting ponzis in my forum about Bitcoin (which has nothing to do with ponzis).

Finally, I'm not arguing with you, shorena. I'm just explaining the obvious: that having a gambling section on Bitcointalk is embarrassing enough, but having two gambling sections? Why, ffs?


Unsure about OP, but I don't want to censor anything. On the contrary, there's nothing fair about ghettoizing fair ponzis. They have a right to compete with other fair gambling games, on a level playing field.

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All I understood is that you are apparently unable to argue. Your parables makes no sense as they are none. You try to project your assumptions that the games are scams into them which render them useless. Repeating the same boring and tiresome dance is useless. Maybe our next discussion will make do without these.

it's better to keep them to one section rather than allow it to spread all over the forum.. i dont visit that section but im glad it is there to categorize the scams to one place that i wont visit.

Then again, and i have said this 4 times already, casinos tell you your odss, ponzies dont because there are no odds, you might just deposit 0.02 and if no one deposits 0.02 you lose and thats it end of the game. As someone said, lers make a section for each type of scam since scammers would go there to advertise their scam right?

+1

Very well summarized... especially the bold part.

At least its all contained to once place in the forum. If it wasn't for this, you forget how people would try to advertise a ponzi or a investor based game like btc-flow and those type of games. Generally gambling comes with a certain risk anyways and if you don't follow the general pro quo, Never gamble more than you can afford to lose, you will probably end up hating yourself in return. I look at it like this. With a casino you have a general base of rules that must be followed and met. With a ponzi, you have those as well, but you have to factor in whether the operator is legit or not. So that's a gamble in itself.

Not necessarily, there are some ponzi "games" that are upfront that they are a ponzi and clearly state the rules of the game. If the operator is honest and follows the rules of the game, then it is not a scam. The problem is that there is no way to make them provably fair and an honest ponzi game may look identical to a ponzi game where the operator is cheating against the players.

The investor-based games sub-section was created because the gambling section was flooded with these types of games. Without this section, they would just flood the main gambling section again.

Its good section. Ok not for people who do not want to risk any amount of bitcoins, but you can ignore them then. But protect newbies from that sections is good think.

Well, I don't think anyone would give you any money in that case. The same should be true of a ponzi that acts similar. If you actually read any ponzi schemes, they tend to have payout amounts, dates, etc. The odds are dynamic, not unknown.

In your situation, no I don't think its a scam, unless you intend on scamming in the first place. People are welcome to throw away their money if they want. Its their decision.