Topic: delete Investor-based games section - page 3. (Read 2857 times)

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 19, 2015, 12:01:07 PM

1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.

and this is exactly, what I meant by OP...anyway, it is not on me to decide, just saying there is imho huge negative impact to bitcoin generated by this section.

The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads

There are cloud mining providers which are actually ponzi but they claim they ain't. If we start moderating ponzis, we will see more of these and it will be hard to differentiate scam and legitimate. Now, at least we know those are ponzis. What will happen if those come under new names and in different boards?

Damn you always find a way to make them stay unmoderated, dont you, with you im refering to everyone. First of all, if you wanto cloud mine you ahould be doing it only on already trusted sites, how else can they even come like?? I dnt get your point at all.

Keep your eyes open! https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cloudmining-101-ponzi-risk-assessment-878387

If what you said is rephrased: First of all, if you wan to invest, you should be doing it only on already trusted sites, how else can they even come like??

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 19, 2015, 12:01:07 PM

The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads

There are cloud mining providers which are actually ponzi but they claim they ain't. If we start moderating ponzis, we will see more of these and it will be hard to differentiate scam and legitimate. Now, at least we know those are ponzis. What will happen if those come under new names and in different boards?

This is exactly it. It's not really about being difficult to moderate or mods not having the time etc but if we ban them then they will just come back and hide under the cover of being legitimate operations, thus duping more people into investing not knowing what they truly are. If you don't like ponzis just don't go in that section, but it's there for people who want to gamble/invest/throw their money away on them.

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1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.

and this is exactly, what I meant by OP...anyway, it is not on me to decide, just saying there is imho huge negative impact to bitcoin generated by this section.

The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads

There are cloud mining providers which are actually ponzi but they claim they ain't. If we start moderating ponzis, we will see more of these and it will be hard to differentiate scam and legitimate. Now, at least we know those are ponzis. What will happen if those come under new names and in different boards?

Damn you always find a way to make them stay unmoderated, dont you, with you im refering to everyone. First of all, if you wanto cloud mine you ahould be doing it only on already trusted sites, how else can they even come like?? I dnt get your point at all.

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1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.

and this is exactly, what I meant by OP...anyway, it is not on me to decide, just saying there is imho huge negative impact to bitcoin generated by this section.

The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads

There are cloud mining providers which are actually ponzi but they claim they ain't. If we start moderating ponzis, we will see more of these and it will be hard to differentiate scam and legitimate. Now, at least we know those are ponzis. What will happen if those come under new names and in different boards?

XinXan

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1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.

and this is exactly, what I meant by OP...anyway, it is not on me to decide, just saying there is imho huge negative impact to bitcoin generated by this section.

The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads

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Quote from: XinXan on May 19, 2015, 07:45:38 AM

1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.

and this is exactly, what I meant by OP...anyway, it is not on me to decide, just saying there is imho huge negative impact to bitcoin generated by this section.

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It doesnt matter if he hides it or not, scam: n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. Its the definition of a scam, doesnt matter what, are you going to write a new dictionary?

You don't need to write a new dictionary. They also fall under the definition of gambling whether you like it or not:

1.
play games of chance for money; bet.

2.
take risky action in the hope of a desired result.

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Quote from: Outlander on May 19, 2015, 04:33:38 AM

Ponzi was one of the oldest internet scam, born long long time ago before bicoin, there was no connection between bitcoin and ponzi scam.

Other than Bitcointalk.org having a special section for promoting those ponzis, that is Cheesy

1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.

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Quote from: Blazed on May 19, 2015, 07:16:05 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 19, 2015, 07:13:58 AM

Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.

Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 19, 2015, 07:13:58 AM

Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that.

I agree if something is clearly labeled as a HIYP/Ponzi then it is not a scam at all. If the creator tries to hide that fact then yes it is bad/scam.

It doesnt matter if he hides it or not, scam: n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. Its the definition of a scam, doesnt matter what, are you going to write a new dictionary?

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Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.

Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money.

Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that.

I agree if something is clearly labeled as a HIYP/Ponzi then it is not a scam at all. If the creator tries to hide that fact then yes it is bad/scam.

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Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.

Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money.

Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that.

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