Thread is up and ready: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-anti-spam-campaign-managers-4412712
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Thanks, I linked it in the adinfo page.
Topic: Demand for sig managers (Read 1144 times)
Thanks, I linked it in the adinfo page.
Thread is up and ready: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-anti-spam-campaign-managers-4412712
Hope that people like it.
Hope that people like it.
Bitcoin signature campaigns are great for creating backlinks to website, it doesn't surprise anyone that the demand for signature managers are increasing considering the amount of manual labour required.
I have a question for you Admin. Why don't you send those people interested in advertising here to the advertising packages offered by this forum ? You sending them to an affiliate manager (however reputed he is) can cause unnecessary troubles.
But on what criteria and who gets to decide which manager is 'anti-spam' or 'competent', or has enough 'experience'?
All-in-one I guess. The managers who I have included have some of the best selection,are reputable enough,have done a lot of trades,have been on this forum for a while and also know how to handle situations if they go south. What happens if managers like Darkstar don't meet the criteria because they haven't run many campaigns (even though in my opinion he is probably running the best campaign right now in terms of spam management and reputation)?
DarkStar_ met my criteria and he is on my list. I have included one person who has not managed a single signature campaign yet but is managing a twitter campaign right now,and he is on the list because he met my criteria. There is another person on my list who has managed one proper signature campaign and has managed a rent-a-sig campaign. Who gets to say managers like Sylon won't be involved and what is the criteria for not including him? I'm sure sylon and many others will argue they should be on there and him being terrible as a campaign manager is just my opinion.
He is not on the list because his campaigns are usually abused by bounty hunters and he was not the right fit for my list. I didn't involve most(99%) of the bounty managers. In what order are they going to be listed? Most trusted? Person who has ran the most campaigns?
Alphabetical. All these just lead to more questions and issues and this is the trouble with centralised lists. A list with 20 campaign managers will probably include ones far worse than sylon as well (or even worse, turn out to be scammers).
You're on the list. You be the judge if you're worse than sylon or not. 
To those of you who I didn't send a PM to or didn't involve them in a list,you'll get onto once you start doing your damn job. There might be a slight chance that I might have missed a good campaign manager. If you do well in the future campaigns,I will add you. So do what you have to do.
Thread shall be up by tonight,only two more managers need to send their details. And I short-listed a few of them,so the current count down is 15 managers.
But on what criteria and who gets to decide which manager is 'anti-spam' or 'competent', or has enough 'experience'? What happens if managers like Darkstar don't meet the criteria because they haven't run many campaigns (even though in my opinion he is probably running the best campaign right now in terms of spam management and reputation)? Who gets to say managers like Sylon won't be involved and what is the criteria for not including him? I'm sure sylon and many others will argue they should be on there and him being terrible as a campaign manager is just my opinion. In what order are they going to be listed? Most trusted? Person who has ran the most campaigns? All these just lead to more questions and issues and this is the trouble with centralised lists. A list with 20 campaign managers will probably include ones far worse than sylon as well (or even worse, turn out to be scammers).
I think you have a valid point here. A centralized list will create a lot of issues like:#A cold war in between the not listed service providers with the person maintaining the list. There will be some service providers who will have valid reason to be added in the list. Who will justify issues like this?
#Service providers in the lists will start computing with each others which will result in lowering the payouts for projects. i.e: all these freelancer bidding sites
#Sure this will (lower payout) also impact on compromising the service quality.
There could be more... But actually we don't know about the possible outcomes until we try. So, lets see how it goes first.
update: That's a coincidence @hilariousetc. After posting this, I just noticed you sent me a merit on my other post. The timing will definitely make digaran to say that I am your slave although I ignore his/her comments.
You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers?
I already have,waiting for your PM. Check your main account. How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns?
The list has a lot of details,its certainly big,and the criteria includes a lot of factors and anti-spam management,experience play a part of it. There are mnay more factors too. Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it?
No. New users get on it,by doing it the hard way. The same way how old campaign managers got opportunities to manage campaigns,not because of the list but because of their skill. Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?
No.The list is medium-big I guess,15-19 people are there so far,my selection has been very picky and it shall be out once all of them send a confirmation.
But on what criteria and who gets to decide which manager is 'anti-spam' or 'competent', or has enough 'experience'? What happens if managers like Darkstar don't meet the criteria because they haven't run many campaigns (even though in my opinion he is probably running the best campaign right now in terms of spam management and reputation)? Who gets to say managers like Sylon won't be involved and what is the criteria for not including him? I'm sure sylon and many others will argue they should be on there and him being terrible as a campaign manager is just my opinion. In what order are they going to be listed? Most trusted? Person who has ran the most campaigns? All these just lead to more questions and issues and this is the trouble with centralised lists. A list with 20 campaign managers will probably include ones far worse than sylon as well (or even worse, turn out to be scammers).
Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.
I want to see that thread so I can always check on it if the person running a signature campaign already establish themselves not a new member spouting jargon about sig adz.I think you are rich enough. let us new comers earn some money too.
I feel bad and I have no concrete idea why. 
Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.
You didn’t PM me.
I think you are rich enough. let us new comers earn some money too.
The list is medium-big I guess,15-19 people are there so far,my selection has been very picky and it shall be out once all of them send a confirmation.
Doesn't sound picky enough.
Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.
You didn’t PM me.
You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers?
I already have,waiting for your PM. Check your main account. How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns?
The list has a lot of details,its certainly big,and the criteria includes a lot of factors and anti-spam management,experience play a part of it. There are mnay more factors too. Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it?
No. New users get on it,by doing it the hard way. The same way how old campaign managers got opportunities to manage campaigns,not because of the list but because of their skill. Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?
No.The list is medium-big I guess,15-19 people are there so far,my selection has been very picky and it shall be out once all of them send a confirmation.
How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it? Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?
You're making it a tad difficult for mister pug, I like it. 
You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers?
Outdated and/or include other services in themHow is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it? Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?
You're making it a tad difficult for mister pug, I like it. Recently, a few different people emailed me asking about how forum advertising works, including sig advertising. I tell them about the inhouse forum ads, of course, but I get the sense that they are very interested in running sig-ad campaigns.
I wouldn't be so sure. I get messages occasionally asking about sig campaigns and half of the time I can't tell whether they're just another clueless spammer that has heard you can earn money here but has no idea what they're doing, a person who wants me to run their campaign for them, or just how they go about running a campaign themselves. Engaging with them is usually fruitless and a waste of time and I still end up none the wiser in what they actually want from me.
Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.
You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers? How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it? Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?
It's a over saturated market and everyone now wants to become a signature manager. You will only succeed if you are willing to put in the work and be an exceptional manager.
This is fine, as long as there isn't intimidation by the established players against the new entrants. Competition is good for consumers.
The way to get create some flow in the provider market is to independently rate each signature campaign manager's performance. A great metric to use, that aligns with some of Theymos' objectives, is to evaluate how effective these campaign managers are in minimizing or punishing spam posters.
What shouldn't happen is any sort of intimidation or fake neg trust giving activity from the major campaign manager to the new hopefuls. This activity is rampant in the escrow market, offer escrow services and you'll be harassed by the existing players. If we can keep that from happening to campaign managers the over saturated market will sort itself out the right way.
Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.
Did you PM only the cartel members? how about me?
Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.
Quite a bad idea. You should list anti-spam managers, not every random baboon offering their "service" for $25/week while enrolling tens of their own accounts.
Don't worry about that,I am not going to list everybody. I have seen good and bad managers. I'll look around for more. I'm thinking about trying to run a small campaing, just for the experience, and to see how much time does it take to handle a campaign. I won't enroll spammers, that's for sure....
Technically everyone of the current signature managers started from scratch without any references. You might find it more difficult now that there are people with experience out there which you'll find a lot of the people looking for these services will request.
It's a over saturated market and everyone now wants to become a signature manager. You will only succeed if you are willing to put in the work and be an exceptional manager.
Someone active and trusted enough needs to create and keep "Overview of signature ads managers" up to date, which contains a list of managers (sorted alphabetically as lauda stated) + their previous works + their emails +/- their ratings (1-5 stars or novice-expert).
Someone, somewhere in some basement is working on this now. Give it some time.
I suggest that a new sub be created to announce campaign management services that anyone can post in. Maybe a warning can be posted for potential customers to check for prior experience when evaluating if someone should be hired. This will prevent a small group of people (or more likely a single person) from making arbitrary decisions (and to prevent corruption) as to who gets what will essentially be a forum endorsement or something very close to it, and would allow the market to decide which managers get hired.
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