Democrats launch 'Crypto for Harris' campaign to counter Trump’s industry appeal

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 13, 2024, 08:55:23 PM

No they do not want to end this, they want to control this. However, they cannot end or control the cryptospace in they method of their wants and needs. They cannot do this inside they're jurisdiction and they certainly cannot end this outside of their jurisdiction heheheh.

Also under the previous Trump administration, they were also anticrypto. Agreed to your argument that despite Trump being anticrypto, bitcoin also pumped very quick and very high similar to the Biden administration hehehehehhhe. The democrats cannot stop this, however, the grandmas Warren, Yellen and uncle Gary should quite certainly support this.

They all changed or will change because Bitcoin is strong, grows up impressively and becomes unbeaten to change them. Nations have to change if they don't want their nations miss a great opportunity in human civilization.

If you are a government of a nation, you can be supportive- or anti-Bitcoin, but if this policy like anti-Bitcoin damages your national chance to join an opportunistic trend globally, you are a bad government. Next election, you will lose votes and will be kicked out of powerful position in your nation. So parties, politicians have to change their political and governance approaches.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 13, 2024, 08:55:23 PM

No they do not want to end this, they want to control this.

Huh? What are you talking about? Who is "they"?

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Quote from: legiteum on September 29, 2024, 10:27:41 PM

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Hehehe you are headshaking if your argument is the Biden administration's operation chokepoint and other anticrypto agendas under him never occurred because your reason is the price of bitcoin 500%. Do you reckon the people who read your posts will trust these arguments?

Grandma Yellen, grandma Warren, uncle Gary and the other democrats are working for their rulers from Wall Street and Main Street. They want to regulate the cryptospace for the protection the consumers. This is the argument, correct? Everyone does not believe this anymore heheheheheheeee.

So they secretly want to end crypto? Is this the latest conspiracy theory you have been told to believe by the Republicans?

It sure is strange that in the last four years they haven't ended crypto, that the US is the leading country for crypto mining, crypto is bigger than ever here, that there are ETFs and other new financial products, and that... Bitcoin went up 500%. All under this supposedly evil regime that secretly hates crypto even though they don't publicly admit it or follow through with actual actions that negatively effect the market.

People who want Trump to be president will use crypto (and basically anything else they can think of) as an excuse to vote for Trump, and an excuse to campaign for Trump here and elsewhere.

As for who wants Trump to be president and who doesn't here, I suspect that it's roughly the same as the US at large, e.g. 50/50. Obviously, based on your childish slurs, you are a Trump supporter. But not all Americans are.

No they do not want to end this, they want to control this. However, they cannot end or control the cryptospace in they method of their wants and needs. They cannot do this inside they're jurisdiction and they certainly cannot end this outside of their jurisdiction heheheh.

Also under the previous Trump administration, they were also anticrypto. Agreed to your argument that despite Trump being anticrypto, bitcoin also pumped very quick and very high similar to the Biden administration hehehehehhhe. The democrats cannot stop this, however, the grandmas Warren, Yellen and uncle Gary should quite certainly support this.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 29, 2024, 09:50:10 PM

Hehehe you are headshaking if your argument is the Biden administration's operation chokepoint and other anticrypto agendas under him never occurred because your reason is the price of bitcoin 500%. Do you reckon the people who read your posts will trust these arguments?

Grandma Yellen, grandma Warren, uncle Gary and the other democrats are working for their rulers from Wall Street and Main Street. They want to regulate the cryptospace for the protection the consumers. This is the argument, correct? Everyone does not believe this anymore heheheheheheeee.

So they secretly want to end crypto? Is this the latest conspiracy theory you have been told to believe by the Republicans?

It sure is strange that in the last four years they haven't ended crypto, that the US is the leading country for crypto mining, crypto is bigger than ever here, that there are ETFs and other new financial products, and that... Bitcoin went up 500%. All under this supposedly evil regime that secretly hates crypto even though they don't publicly admit it or follow through with actual actions that negatively effect the market.

People who want Trump to be president will use crypto (and basically anything else they can think of) as an excuse to vote for Trump, and an excuse to campaign for Trump here and elsewhere.

As for who wants Trump to be president and who doesn't here, I suspect that it's roughly the same as the US at large, e.g. 50/50. Obviously, based on your childish slurs, you are a Trump supporter. But not all Americans are.

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Quote from: legiteum on September 26, 2024, 11:13:12 PM

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It appears that this skepticism might be caused by the Biden administration's anticrypto agenda.

I'm still trying to figure how, under a supposedly "anticrypto agenda", Bitcoin went up 500% under Biden.

I think a better explanation is that these billionaire Bitcoin whales want Trump to win for their own ideological reasons (viz. anti-abortion or racism), and use crypto as an excuse.

This becomes very apparent whenever Harris says something pro-crypto then it must be a lie, but whenever Trump says, well, anything, it must be because he's going to make the price of Bitcoin go up somehow.

Nobody who takes business in the USA seriously wants to see Trump's gigantic tariffs that will slaughter the US economy and drive the price of business components through the roof, leading to a massive economic downturn. The last time the US went nativist and imposed massive tariffs like this the US went into a deep depression that we didn't emerge from until we entered a war that claimed the lives of 75 million people worldwide.

These billionaires are already rich and don't care what happens to the US economy. People like Elon Musk aren't in it for the money at their level, they are in it for the power (and they will learn, as the Russian oligarchs under Putin learned, that their billions mean nothing when the dictator controls the army and the police).

Hehehe you are headshaking if your argument is the Biden administration's operation chokepoint and other anticrypto agendas under him never occurred because your reason is the price of bitcoin 500%. Do you reckon the people who read your posts will trust these arguments?

Grandma Yellen, grandma Warren, uncle Gary and the other democrats are working for their rulers from Wall Street and Main Street. They want to regulate the cryptospace for the protection the consumers. This is the argument, correct? Everyone does not believe this anymore heheheheheheeee.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on August 10, 2024, 04:27:07 AM

Trump's supporters don't merely focus on abortion. It's also about anti-migration approach, isolationist foreign policy approach, anti-environmental approach. People who are planning to vote for Trump will not choose Harris, even if she promises a crypto-friendly future for the US. But it's still good that Democrats will try to help Harris out by organizing something pro-crypto in the near future. It might sway the voters who don't want to vote for Trump but genuinely care about cryptos.
It will be good to make it look like Bitcoin is not a partisan issue, so that people can focus on other things when making their voting decisions.

there has been large amount of crypto supporter that willing to put their vote if any party is supporting BTC, i've seen so many especially in twitter that actually care about which candidate are pro-bitcoin but honestly don't really know the real amount.
since frankly speaking, anyone can voice their opinion on twitter but not everyone is eligible voter Grin

. so it might be an illusion.

but overall, I think bitcoin will only have win from this, getting exposure from both party seems like a good idea for bitcoin in the long run, it kinda gives the vibe bitcoin is already known by everyone.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 26, 2024, 10:06:23 PM

It appears that this skepticism might be caused by the Biden administration's anticrypto agenda.

I'm still trying to figure how, under a supposedly "anticrypto agenda", Bitcoin went up 500% under Biden.

I think a better explanation is that these billionaire Bitcoin whales want Trump to win for their own ideological reasons (viz. anti-abortion or racism), and use crypto as an excuse.

This becomes very apparent whenever Harris says something pro-crypto then it must be a lie, but whenever Trump says, well, anything, it must be because he's going to make the price of Bitcoin go up somehow.

Nobody who takes business in the USA seriously wants to see Trump's gigantic tariffs that will slaughter the US economy and drive the price of business components through the roof, leading to a massive economic downturn. The last time the US went nativist and imposed massive tariffs like this the US went into a deep depression that we didn't emerge from until we entered a war that claimed the lives of 75 million people worldwide.

These billionaires are already rich and don't care what happens to the US economy. People like Elon Musk aren't in it for the money at their level, they are in it for the power (and they will learn, as the Russian oligarchs under Putin learned, that their billions mean nothing when the dictator controls the army and the police).

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News update on crypto for harris campaign.

Kamala's promise in supporting the cryptospace if she has the victory is certainly optimistic, however, it appears that some of the executives of some companies in the cryptospace are quite skeptical. According to a founder of a crypto investment firm, these are only hollow words.

It appears that this skepticism might be caused by the Biden administration's anticrypto agenda. It might be difficult for her to tell the people that she will do better than the present administration because she is one of the leaders of the present administration.

Harris, the Democratic nominee for president, just name-dropped crypto for the second time this week.

At a campaign event In Pennsylvania on Wednesday, the vice president said the US should become “dominant” in blockchain, as well as other technologies such as artificial intelligence and quantum computing.

The shout-out is striking given the crackdown the Biden Administration has pursued in the industry over the last three years.

Indeed, one of the main reasons why Coinbase, Kraken, the Winklevoss twins and other crypto mavens have raised millions for pro-crypto candidates is to rebuff the efforts of Gary Gensler, the chair of the US Securities and Exchange Commission, and other Biden appointees.

Even though Harris is suddenly making nice with crypto, industry insiders aren’t convinced she will be any better for the industry.

“Hollow words,” Jon Charbonneau, co-founder of crypto investment firm DBA, said on X. “Same stuff Biden said in 2022.”

Charbonneau was referring to the Biden administration’s executive order on ensuring the responsible development of digital assets, which promised to “support technological advances that promote responsible development and use of digital assets.”

‘It’s OK to vote for Kamala, but please don’t pretend she’s pro-crypto.’
— Hasu

Read in full https://www.dlnews.com/articles/people-culture/crypto-industry-dismisses-kamala-harris-blockchain-comments/

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 09, 2024, 04:56:42 AM

Third option: nobody really cares with politicians accepting Bitcoin for donations, for the same reason nobody really cares with politicians accepting money in general for donations.

These people who care are the donators hehehe. They need their bets to win the election for them to have direct political connection and use this for their corporate interests. This has been a type of game our rulers play and it appears there are executives in the cryptospace that are beginning to play a similar game.

Also, these donators do not care who will be the better candidate because honestly their interests is not for the people and this is also not for the country. This is for themselves.

There are people in this forum who are arguing for their candidate, however, the next administration Trump or Kamala will be something similar to the administrations before them heheheheh.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on August 10, 2024, 04:27:07 AM

Trump's supporters don't merely focus on abortion. It's also about anti-migration approach, isolationist foreign policy approach, anti-environmental approach. People who are planning to vote for Trump will not choose Harris, even if she promises a crypto-friendly future for the US. But it's still good that Democrats will try to help Harris out by organizing something pro-crypto in the near future. It might sway the voters who don't want to vote for Trump but genuinely care about cryptos.
It will be good to make it look like Bitcoin is not a partisan issue, so that people can focus on other things when making their voting decisions.

Also about whole isolation and all that, they just don't want to help Ukraine, and they do want to continue helping Israel, which means that they are not really isolating themselves, they just want to help the ones they want to help but not to help ones they don't want to help.

If it was bombing some middle east nation, I am sure that trump supporters will love it, but when it comes to helping out Europe, they do not like that idea one bit. I feel like it is not always clear what they are talking about, like for example if it is about preserving some good natural place, like some park, some canyon whatever, they are all about it and love to do that, but if it is about installing solar panels? They are anti-environment.

So they do not look at a subject and have one idea about everything, they take it subject by subject, and decide on that. Abortion is one thing they are certain about though, they hate it and that is a platform for sure, and that is going to be a tough deal to handle. Because between borders issue and abortion issue, we are going to see a lot of changes in this, and Kamala vs Trump is based on this two issue mainly, not crypto, not anything else, just abortion and border control.

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Quote from: Zlantann on August 10, 2024, 06:24:18 AM

You speak like you are Harris or you are part of her campaign team. Don't put your trust in a politician because you don't like her opponent. Politicians are unpredictable, never trust them.

I don't trust Trump because he is, objectively, a criminal. As in, he has been convicted of many crimes and is currently on trial for many more. This is not a "partisan" statement, it's just a fact.

Quote from: ultrloa on August 10, 2024, 06:29:44 AM

Now they became crypto friendly when they need the vote of people?

People didn't forget about what Biden and his camp did to crypto.

Republicans seem to want people to forget that Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden. That is what Biden "did" to crypto.

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For sure people will vote on Trump since aside from he is more lesser evil among those candidate for sure he would never put any heavy restriction towards the usage or circulation of crypto in their country.

You obviously don't live in the USA nor do you care what happens to us here. Trump is promising to make major changes to life here in the USA, which will affect every resident here.

Cryptocurrencies are legal in the USA and there are no meaningful restrictions here: the US is the top country for mining, and by far the top country for trade. There are absolutely no plans, by anybody here, to restrict cryptos, and there is a huge political lobby now that influences both parties to keep it that way forever.

The Republican scare-mongering over Bitcoin is pretty weak when... Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden. You don't have to guess what will happen since we already know.

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Quote from: legiteum on August 08, 2024, 10:28:02 AM

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/democrats-launch-crypto-harris-campaign-counter-trumps-industry-appeal

I expect there will be two basic reactions to this:

* For those who only care about Bitcoin, they will welcome this as Bitcoin support becomes bi-partisan and it doesn't matter who gets elected in November.

* For those who want abortion to be illegal in the US, they will say this is "fake" and somehow Harris's support isn't "real"--because they actually don't care about Bitcoin, but instead want Trump for ideological reasons and supposed Bitcoin support was always just an excuse.

Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden. When you hear that Biden (and now Harris) are "anti-Bitcoin", you are hearing campaign rhetoric invented by the opposing party. There's no reason to believe Bitcoin will not go up another 500% under Harris, and that the Bitcoin universe will be just fine overall, like it has been in the last four years.

The safe bet is to stick with what has worked, not take a chance with a divisive figure who will turn the US economy upside down in his quest to stop abortions and deport immigrants.

Now they became crypto friendly when they need the vote of people?

People didn't forget about what Biden and his camp did to crypto. For sure that there's no people in right mind who use crypto will fall in their trap and provably they use that crypto for Harris or anything related to word like that just to trick people and also to possible get their votes.

For sure people will vote on Trump since aside from he is more lesser evil among those candidate for sure he would never put any heavy restriction towards the usage or circulation of crypto in their country.

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Quote from: legiteum on August 08, 2024, 06:40:08 PM

Bitcoin will do just fine under Harris, as it has done under Biden. There is a no reason to take a chance on the erratic, senile, deranged Trump who promises to upend the US economy by deporting 5% of our workers and starting a massive new police state to stop the millions of abortions that occur in the US every year.

You speak like you are Harris or you are part of her campaign team. Don't put your trust in a politician because you don't like her opponent. Politicians are unpredictable, never trust them.

Quote from: kryptqnick on August 10, 2024, 04:27:07 AM

Trump's supporters don't merely focus on abortion. It's also about anti-migration approach, isolationist foreign policy approach, anti-environmental approach. People who are planning to vote for Trump will not choose Harris, even if she promises a crypto-friendly future for the US. But it's still good that Democrats will try to help Harris out by organizing something pro-crypto in the near future. It might sway the voters who don't want to vote for Trump but genuinely care about cryptos.
It will be good to make it look like Bitcoin is not a partisan issue, so that people can focus on other things when making their voting decisions.

The American presidential elections will not be determined to a large extent by crypto policies. There are other more important things Americans are considering. I don't know the statistics of people who might change their choice because of the crypto stance of the candidate. Nevertheless, I think they will not be too much but in elections, one vote is very important. This is just the beginning of the integration of crypto into American politics. As the sector keeps gaining more acceptance, crypto might also become a headline campaign issue in the next elections in four years. Maybe we might also begin to see artificial intelligence becoming another issue of concern in US politics.

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Quote from: avikz on August 08, 2024, 10:58:46 AM

Am I incorrect in saying that crypto currency users in US had faced the most horrible time during the democrat rule?

I don't think anyone would believe the democrats when it comes to cryptocurrency! They are just trying to replicate the effort that Donald Trump is putting to get the support of the crypto users. But with their history, I don't think they are going to make any impact.

It's really positive to see that cryptocurrency is going to be one of the decision making factors in November election.

For a moment I pondered whether we are happy with bitcoin involvement in the political realm where they themselves only use the crypto community voice to gain support solely for their personal interests and groups in parliament. This has indeed happened and will continue until November, will the community voice after this election get space to submit ideas to politicians? There are always 2 sides that bind between being good news or vice versa. In the US the crypto community situation is divided because 2 candidates are trying to carry the same concept in treating Bitcoin.

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Quote from: moneystery on August 09, 2024, 02:56:47 AM

they only care about their own interests, no one really cares about bitcoin, so either kamala or trump are just using their political promises to win themselves and their party. but i am more inclined to see that the development of bitcoin will be better if it is in the hands of the republic and trump, even though both are the same, but trump seems to show his sincerity for bitcoin and in his previous administration he was also not too hard on bitcoin; even though he didn't care much about bitcoin before, he is still a good candidate.

I also support Trump but to be honest, we have a feeling Trump is friendly and will be more open to bitcoin since he has been actively publicly supporting bitcoin since the first days of the election campaign. That has unintentionally created positive impacts on us. Meanwhile, we all know that the Biden administration has not shown any interest in cryptocurrency during its four years in office, and the Democratic Party's election campaign has not mentioned cryptocurrency either. It seems they are only now realizing the importance of cryptocurrency and starting the race with Trump. While it's not too late, let's see what they can do to regain the trust of crypto investors.

In short, both of them are just taking advantage of cryptocurrencies because that is the nature of politicians, so no matter who you vote for, never put all your trust in them, they can break their promises and forget what they promise us.

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Trump's supporters don't merely focus on abortion. It's also about anti-migration approach, isolationist foreign policy approach, anti-environmental approach. People who are planning to vote for Trump will not choose Harris, even if she promises a crypto-friendly future for the US. But it's still good that Democrats will try to help Harris out by organizing something pro-crypto in the near future. It might sway the voters who don't want to vote for Trump but genuinely care about cryptos.
It will be good to make it look like Bitcoin is not a partisan issue, so that people can focus on other things when making their voting decisions.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on August 09, 2024, 02:13:53 PM

Exactly my point of how stupid that argument really is. In this sense, we can say that the Chinese Communist Party had the greatest influence on Bitcoin's price. They were here all along.

Tell that to the billionaire Bitcoin whales giving Trump hundreds of millions of dollars. They sure think that American politics can influence the price of Bitcoin...

I point out that Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden in order to discredit the ridiculous and unsupported (and blatantly partisan) notion that "Democrats hate crypto". This doesn't mean Biden directly caused it to happen, but it's impossible to believe that Democrats are the enemy / Republicans are the friend and believe there is absolutely no correlation between the US president and the price of Bitcoin.

If you are going make the positive assertion that Trump will make Bitcoin go up in price, then Biden's record is a clear refutation of that assertion. If you make the positive assertion that Biden and the Democrats have been "bad for Bitcoin", then... Biden's record is a clear refutation of that assertion.

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Quote from: moneystery on August 09, 2024, 02:56:47 AM

they only care about their own interests, no one really cares about bitcoin, so either kamala or trump are just using their political promises to win themselves and their party. but i am more inclined to see that the development of bitcoin will be better if it is in the hands of the republic and trump, even though both are the same, but trump seems to show his sincerity for bitcoin and in his previous administration he was also not too hard on bitcoin; even though he didn't care much about bitcoin before, he is still a good candidate.

I just talked about a similar discussion in a related topic I contributed now. The fact that these USA politicians are becoming more aware and deliberate about the bitcoin community makes it more interesting to hear. It is also the time that these communities have to negotiate with the candidates over some of their policies and plans they intend to implement when they are finally voted into the government. These bitcoin communities must be bold enough to make these bold steps since their significants in the overall population of the country is becoming more noticeable every day.

Elections will come and pass, but what's important is the roundtable discussions and negotiations with these candidates. Trump have shown a great deal of interest in the bitcoin community and have appealed for their support, Kamala will also do the same at least for their own interests in winning the votes from those boards, now, the people should also organize themselves and show their interests have tete-a-tete conversations and bring in proposals too. I dont know if I'm making enough sense in this though but that's my thoughts on this.

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Quote from: examplens on August 08, 2024, 06:22:50 PM

Quote from: Stalker22 on August 08, 2024, 04:23:28 PM

I think I already commented on this in another thread. If you are going to use this argument, it is fair to mention that Bitcoin went up more than 3900% under president Trump and his first term in office. So, to paraphrase you: There is no objective reason not to support Trump if all you care about is Bitcoin.

Someone could say that Bitcoin went from $0 to $75k during Putin's time, what is that in percentage? Why the limitation to Trump only?

Exactly my point of how stupid that argument really is. In this sense, we can say that the Chinese Communist Party had the greatest influence on Bitcoin's price. They were here all along.

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