Deontay Wilder versus Andy Ruiz Title Eliminator - page 2.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 08, 2023, 01:35:13 AM

I wouldn't comment on the body shape since appearance doesn't really important.

Not to underestimated Wilder's power, but I doubt it will be easy fight for Wilder to knock out Ruiz. Ruiz haven't lose via KO in his whole career, he only lose against Anthony Joshua via decision 2 times even though Joshua is strong and has high KO chance for 81,48%.

I predict Ruiz could survive for 12 rounds even though Wilder will win this fight.

This will be without a doubt an interesting fight to watch as their styles are too different, Ruiz has probably the fastest hands on the division and if the fight goes through the 12 rounds it would be difficult for Wilder to win the decision, so he needs to KO Ruiz at some point during their match if he wants to win, something we know he is fully capable, however as you state Ruiz has a very strong chin and it will be very interesting to watch which one of the two styles imposes itself at the end.

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Quote from: MiliMil on January 07, 2023, 02:55:33 AM

...Lets go Ruiz!

I join you and the few others who went for Ruiz in the poll hehe.

Wilder sure have some heavy bombs in his hands but he's not really the evasive type or technically sound fighter either. I just think that Ruiz would be faster in landing punches and those aren't to be taken lightly either.

Interesting how the odds would play out a month prior to the match. I hope nobody would sustain an injury while training as I also want to see this happen soon.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 09, 2023, 05:50:23 AM

I think I would take the -350 as I don't think Wilder will lose this fight. I know he won't have another shot with Fury, but at least he would dominate other heavyweights like he usually do.

But we never know if he keeps beating and knocking out other heavyweight fighters we never know if he becomes a heavyweight champion and he faces Fury again, Fury has become Wilder's worst nightmare, every boxer has that one boxer that got their numbers, like Marquez to Pacquiao, Wilder is highly motivated to get back on top while Fury is on the brink of retirement and a match for the fourth time is still possible in the future, and could possibly motivate Fury to stay out of retirement.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on January 09, 2023, 05:32:51 AM

Hopefully, this fight will happen ASAP, not be postponed and stuff.
For me, Wilder is still a beast since he only lost to the best of the best! Whereas Ruiz lost to the "bodybuilder," lol.

Yeah, but he beat the body builder first, and in the rematch, he was too cocky and confident and that body builder adjusted.

Quote from: mu_enrico on January 09, 2023, 05:32:51 AM

Don't forget that besides Wilder's one-punch KO power, he also has reach, which can be extremely difficult for Fat Ruiz.
So Wilder will KO Ruiz IMO since he's not going to be pussy like the "bodybuilder."

But being fat might be a advantage here as his added weight might be enough to hold him straight even if Wilder hit him with his best shot. And even the body builder didn't knock him down, it was a decision win. So it will be interested on this fight will pan out, Wilder with his power punch and Ruiz as well and then his good chin to be tested and see if it can hold. And on the same time, touch Wilder as well with his own power punch.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 09, 2023, 05:50:23 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on January 09, 2023, 05:32:51 AM

Hopefully, this fight will happen ASAP, not be postponed and stuff.
For me, Wilder is still a beast since he only lost to the best of the best! Whereas Ruiz lost to the "bodybuilder," lol.
Don't forget that besides Wilder's one-punch KO power, he also has reach, which can be extremely difficult for Fat Ruiz.
So Wilder will KO Ruiz IMO since he's not going to be pussy like the "bodybuilder."

Looks like the public are seeing this fight will be dominated by Wilder.

As per this article, the opening betting odds are.
https://bettinginsiderjournal.com/boxing/wilder-vs-ruiz-odds/

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Deontay Wilder opens as a -350 betting favorite against Mexican heavyweight Andy Ruiz Jr. +225.

I think I would take the -350 as I don't think Wilder will lose this fight. I know he won't have another shot with Fury, but at least he would dominate other heavyweights like he usually do.

That's 1.29 if converted in decimal. Nice odds if you really are too confident that Ruiz does not have a chance of winning the fight. If that odds are already out now, I guess I will not hesitate taking that early, I'm afraid that will drop if the public will continue hammering that ML odds.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on January 09, 2023, 05:32:51 AM

Hopefully, this fight will happen ASAP, not be postponed and stuff.
For me, Wilder is still a beast since he only lost to the best of the best! Whereas Ruiz lost to the "bodybuilder," lol.
Don't forget that besides Wilder's one-punch KO power, he also has reach, which can be extremely difficult for Fat Ruiz.
So Wilder will KO Ruiz IMO since he's not going to be pussy like the "bodybuilder."

Looks like the public are seeing this fight will be dominated by Wilder.

As per this article, the opening betting odds are.
https://bettinginsiderjournal.com/boxing/wilder-vs-ruiz-odds/

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Deontay Wilder opens as a -350 betting favorite against Mexican heavyweight Andy Ruiz Jr. +225.

I think I would take the -350 as I don't think Wilder will lose this fight. I know he won't have another shot with Fury, but at least he would dominate other heavyweights like he usually do.

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Hopefully, this fight will happen ASAP, not be postponed and stuff.
For me, Wilder is still a beast since he only lost to the best of the best! Whereas Ruiz lost to the "bodybuilder," lol.
Don't forget that besides Wilder's one-punch KO power, he also has reach, which can be extremely difficult for Fat Ruiz.
So Wilder will KO Ruiz IMO since he's not going to be pussy like the "bodybuilder."

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 08, 2023, 10:00:59 PM

If Ruiz didn't get that upset win against Joshua, many of us here will bet for Wilder with this one, right?
Many here are still rooting for Wilder with this one but TBH, Ruiz still has a shot and with his fight against Joshua, that only shows that you can still win even all of the people are betting against you.

OP said that this will end up in a KO, but Ruiz still didn't lose by a KO in his whole career. Lost twice to a strong Joshua that has a high KO win rate thru a decision. On the other hand, we've seen one of the best KO punchers in Heavyweight division in Wilder.

This will be a test of stamina and strength combined. I don't think that this will end up in a KO, but it will be a decision. I would not be surprised though if Wilder wins by knockout on this one even though Ruiz didn't lose by knockout on his whole career. I voted Wilder on this one.

In the rematch, it was Ruiz on doing that he lost the fight, he admitted that after that big win, he just went and go party with his success, became lazy in training and then Joshua adopted to his style, we might as well say that Joshua just run the whole fight.

But the question is still Ruiz stamina as he might gas out later if the fight goes to distance.

Or gets tired if Wilder caught him with good combination.

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This is not a bad fight at all since these boxers are going to give us more surprises in the ring because they are both capable of knocking out each other. Wilder might have a slight chance to be at the advantage but Ruiz also has some skills that will gonna surprise every one of us especially when he lands that power punch with the right timing and Wilder will not be able to recover fast from that. overall, this is one of the fights they should really make this year especially since these came from a win from their last fight.

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If Ruiz didn't get that upset win against Joshua, many of us here will bet for Wilder with this one, right?
Many here are still rooting for Wilder with this one but TBH, Ruiz still has a shot and with his fight against Joshua, that only shows that you can still win even all of the people are betting against you.

OP said that this will end up in a KO, but Ruiz still didn't lose by a KO in his whole career. Lost twice to a strong Joshua that has a high KO win rate thru a decision. On the other hand, we've seen one of the best KO punchers in Heavyweight division in Wilder.

This will be a test of stamina and strength combined. I don't think that this will end up in a KO, but it will be a decision. I would not be surprised though if Wilder wins by knockout on this one even though Ruiz didn't lose by knockout on his whole career. I voted Wilder on this one.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 07, 2023, 09:51:29 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on January 07, 2023, 09:19:05 AM

This fight might end in a knock out though, two punchers and you know when they go at each other, someone will go to the canvass. I will also give Ruiz a chance here, the thing with Wilder is that when he faces a fighter than can box, he had a lot of problems early and the only thing that will save him is his punching power. But against a technical Fury, and a boxer that can take his power, Wilder is no match. Ruiz has a good chin too so that is a positive for him. So this is going to be close fight and if Ruiz is the underdog here, might be good to throw some money on him, hehehe.

Good luck bro, but honestly, I don't think it's a good idea because Fury is the only king and the kryptonite of Wilder. Until no other boxer would beat Wilder except Fury, I believe he is next to the best, even compared to the other champion in the heavyweight division.

Oleksandr Usyk vs Wilder
Joshua vs Wilder

That's the kind of fight that I think more challenging to Wilder than this one.

No problem mate, hehehe, yes Fury might be his daddy, and I think losing to Fury twice that way could have put some dent on Wilder's mentality just saying. His last fight is against a B level fighter, Helenius. And I think Ruiz is better that Helenius in every aspect, so it's a good fight indeed but who knows, there could be some upset. Specially if Ruiz can hit Wilder flush and then the memory of Fury comes back to hunt him. Usyk might be a good challenge for Wilder, and he has been calling Usyk after he won against Helenius. But it's good that we will have a title eliminator in line to see who is the best to face the champion again. No odds yet though from our favorite sports bookies but Wilder will be the favorite here that's why it's going to be an attractive odd to bet on the underdog on Andy Ruiz, just saying.

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 08, 2023, 05:33:16 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 08, 2023, 01:35:13 AM

I wouldn't comment on the body shape since appearance doesn't really important.

Not to underestimated Wilder's power, but I doubt it will be easy fight for Wilder to knock out Ruiz. Ruiz haven't lose via KO in his whole career, he only lose against Anthony Joshua via decision 2 times even though Joshua is strong and has high KO chance for 81,48%.

I predict Ruiz could survive for 12 rounds even though Wilder will win this fight.

Very tough and hard to see how the fight will end, part of me saying that Wilder can knock out Ruiz, but then again, as you have said, Ruiz hasn't been knockout and even the fight against King Kong Ortiz, who is also a big puncher, he didn't go down in the fight and eventually win it.

So yeah, most probably Ruiz would survived a grueling and hard fought 12 rounds but Wilder might win by like 2 points in the judges scorecard.

I also wanted to see Wilder fight Usyk as well in the future if he wins here.

Ruiz would be lucky enough if he will survive the 12 rounds, I'm willing to accept a bet 2 is to 1 for Wilder to knock Ruiz out in less than 12 rounds. I mean, no disrespect to Ruiz and his fans, I just don't think that Ruiz has already faced a boxer like Wilder who loves to finish the fight early.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 08, 2023, 01:35:13 AM

I wouldn't comment on the body shape since appearance doesn't really important.

Not to underestimated Wilder's power, but I doubt it will be easy fight for Wilder to knock out Ruiz. Ruiz haven't lose via KO in his whole career, he only lose against Anthony Joshua via decision 2 times even though Joshua is strong and has high KO chance for 81,48%.

I predict Ruiz could survive for 12 rounds even though Wilder will win this fight.

Very tough and hard to see how the fight will end, part of me saying that Wilder can knock out Ruiz, but then again, as you have said, Ruiz hasn't been knockout and even the fight against King Kong Ortiz, who is also a big puncher, he didn't go down in the fight and eventually win it.

So yeah, most probably Ruiz would survived a grueling and hard fought 12 rounds but Wilder might win by like 2 points in the judges scorecard.

I also wanted to see Wilder fight Usyk as well in the future if he wins here.

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I wouldn't comment on the body shape since appearance doesn't really important.

Not to underestimated Wilder's power, but I doubt it will be easy fight for Wilder to knock out Ruiz. Ruiz haven't lose via KO in his whole career, he only lose against Anthony Joshua via decision 2 times even though Joshua is strong and has high KO chance for 81,48%.

I predict Ruiz could survive for 12 rounds even though Wilder will win this fight.

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At the back of mind I tip Wilder to be the winner. Not as if Ruiz can't win, because I know he can sure take a punch. This is because Wilder has the hunger and intends to make it right by facing Fury. Though Wilder had hopes of facing AJ, he now has Ruiz to contend with while AJ would be having a match sometime between March/April and will be hoping to rebound with a win after his loss the last time.
Ruiz will have a hard time here and has got to grow in depth muscles if he intends to sustain his punches and defend himself from his opponent with a tall frame and a powerful KO arm.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 07, 2023, 03:26:35 AM

I doubt personally that the guy with the bloated belly,the white guy in the picture above to have real possibilities to win the fight.Well as I said before when two persons are fighting each other is the most difficult to predict in terms of betting as we don't know the physical form of each of the fighters.

However I never would bet on someone with that bloated belly as the white guy which I am assuming is Ruiz because I don't follow that much this sport,it is a weak point for him,if he is hit there strongly chances are he will immediately lose the fight.

Ruiz's figure isn't pure fat, there is muscle hiding on that fat Grin

. So I think the fight can go either way. Both have the ability to KO their opponent but in record, it somehow give an idea that Ruiz is the tougher boxer because he has never been KO'ed though he gets knocked down in his fight he is able to recover and win the fight.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 07, 2023, 03:26:35 AM

I doubt personally that the guy with the bloated belly,the white guy in the picture above to have real possibilities to win the fight.Well as I said before when two persons are fighting each other is the most difficult to predict in terms of betting as we don't know the physical form of each of the fighters.

However I never would bet on someone with that bloated belly as the white guy which I am assuming is Ruiz because I don't follow that much this sport,it is a weak point for him,if he is hit there strongly chances are he will immediately lose the fight.

Believe it or not at some point Ruiz was a heavy weight championship and he had 3 out of the 4 major belts, now he was only the champion for a few months as he lost on the second match against Joshua but do not underestimate him just because he does not look ripped, besides if we were talking about pure boxing ability he is one of the best the heavyweight division has at the moment, however I still think Wilder will win as the defense of Ruiz is weak and Wilder has simply too much power.

I agree don't underestimate Ruiz, he is surprisingly a strong puncher and can recover quickly turning the tempo of the fight in his favor. I am still on the either can win since the two boxer can be explosive and end the fight in an intant.

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Quote from: Silberman on January 07, 2023, 02:21:37 PM

Quote from: swogerino on January 07, 2023, 03:26:35 AM

I doubt personally that the guy with the bloated belly,the white guy in the picture above to have real possibilities to win the fight.Well as I said before when two persons are fighting each other is the most difficult to predict in terms of betting as we don't know the physical form of each of the fighters.

However I never would bet on someone with that bloated belly as the white guy which I am assuming is Ruiz because I don't follow that much this sport,it is a weak point for him,if he is hit there strongly chances are he will immediately lose the fight.

Believe it or not at some point Ruiz was a heavy weight championship and he had 3 out of the 4 major belts, now he was only the champion for a few months as he lost on the second match against Joshua but do not underestimate him just because he does not look ripped, besides if we were talking about pure boxing ability he is one of the best the heavyweight division has at the moment, however I still think Wilder will win as the defense of Ruiz is weak and Wilder has simply too much power.

I dont know if its just me on which im really dont have much that trust when it comes to body shape of Ruiz

You could make out some comparison though and we arent that blind to see the difference

which you could tell that Wilder could rip out Ruiz based up on form but just like you do said that he wont really be that a champion for nothing and its not a good idea on making yourself that
too confident. Ruiz does have that power and good in technical but not something good when it comes to defense just like you do said.
Just like the rest been saying that about KO decision then it would be likely to happen.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 07, 2023, 03:26:35 AM

I doubt personally that the guy with the bloated belly,the white guy in the picture above to have real possibilities to win the fight.Well as I said before when two persons are fighting each other is the most difficult to predict in terms of betting as we don't know the physical form of each of the fighters.

However I never would bet on someone with that bloated belly as the white guy which I am assuming is Ruiz because I don't follow that much this sport,it is a weak point for him,if he is hit there strongly chances are he will immediately lose the fight.

Believe it or not at some point Ruiz was a heavy weight championship and he had 3 out of the 4 major belts, now he was only the champion for a few months as he lost on the second match against Joshua but do not underestimate him just because he does not look ripped, besides if we were talking about pure boxing ability he is one of the best the heavyweight division has at the moment, however I still think Wilder will win as the defense of Ruiz is weak and Wilder has simply too much power.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 07, 2023, 09:19:05 AM

This fight might end in a knock out though, two punchers and you know when they go at each other, someone will go to the canvass. I will also give Ruiz a chance here, the thing with Wilder is that when he faces a fighter than can box, he had a lot of problems early and the only thing that will save him is his punching power. But against a technical Fury, and a boxer that can take his power, Wilder is no match. Ruiz has a good chin too so that is a positive for him. So this is going to be close fight and if Ruiz is the underdog here, might be good to throw some money on him, hehehe.

That's a good bet because many are predicting Wilder to win, I'll go with Wilder he can end the fight with one punch, I've seen him do this so many times Ruiz is a small fighter compared to Wilder and he can impose his size against Ruiz, to beat Wilder you must not only have a perfect plan but you must have a strong chin, we'll see if Ruiz really has a strong Chin, if he can take or eat Wilder punches then he has a good chance.
And I am one of those who believe that this fight will not end in a knockout, these two guys just need a good opening to end the fight, it will just go on who landed first at the right place and time.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 07, 2023, 09:19:05 AM

This fight might end in a knock out though, two punchers and you know when they go at each other, someone will go to the canvass. I will also give Ruiz a chance here, the thing with Wilder is that when he faces a fighter than can box, he had a lot of problems early and the only thing that will save him is his punching power. But against a technical Fury, and a boxer that can take his power, Wilder is no match. Ruiz has a good chin too so that is a positive for him. So this is going to be close fight and if Ruiz is the underdog here, might be good to throw some money on him, hehehe.

Good luck bro, but honestly, I don't think it's a good idea because Fury is the only king and the kryptonite of Wilder. Until no other boxer would beat Wilder except Fury, I believe he is next to the best, even compared to the other champion in the heavyweight division.

Oleksandr Usyk vs Wilder
Joshua vs Wilder

That's the kind of fight that I think more challenging to Wilder than this one.

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