Pages:
Author

Topic: "Deportation vs. the Cost of Letting Illegal Immigrants Stay" - page 3. (Read 684 times)

legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
How long will they stay in this temporary housing? Thats the issue.  At 775 per day, it only takes 3 months to reach the lifetime burden of a typical low-educated immigrant ($62,582, according to the study you just cited.).  Thats before we even get into the cost of all the extra security and legal fees.   
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost
Quote
t, “Well-educated households tend
to be net tax contributors.” But at the same time, “Poorly educated households, whether immigrant or U.S.-born, receive far
more in government benefits than they pay in taxes.” My own research has come to the same conclusion.18
Poorly educated people are a drain "whether immigrant or US born" which is why universal free education would be so beneficial for everyone anyway. You see , education is the IV in this relationship, not immigration.  Build more schools less jails.

Quote
Those with modest levels of education tend to earn low wages in the modern American economy, and as
a result tend to make low tax payments and often qualify for means-tested programs. The less-educated are a net fiscal drain,
on average, regardless of legal status or if they were born in the United States or a foreign country.
Lets just ignore the people who are paying them low wages, extracting their production, and not being taxed.  We should blame them and make them pay workers more of a fair share. That way, all those extra income taxes can be generated.  You see, the employers who pay poverty wages are the real drain on the economy.  This is what you call a scapegoat. 

Quote
s. In terms of the educational attainment of illegal immigrants, there is a good deal
of evidence that they have modest levels of education, much lower than native-born Americans or legal immigrants.
Its almost as if they are coming here for a better life!

Three months is still two to three times longer than the average stay in detention. Furthermore your number of $775 daily cost is not only unsourced, but you state self contradictory costs in your own original statement.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/ICE%20FY18%20Budget.pdf

See page 12, the average stay in detention is 34-44 days. Even at your inflated and unsourced prices (which are not supported by the source above) it is still less costly to deport them.

Poorly educated people are a drain on the system, great, so why are we importing more of them instead of dealing with the ones already here? Cost is not the only problem with education. Some people simply are not capable or unwilling to educate themselves, this is a fact. You can send some one with down syndrome to Harvard for free, they are still going to have an IQ of 50 by the time they get out no matter how much money you throw at them.

Your argument about low wages is a non-sequitur. It doesn't matter how much blame they share, the negative effects of illegal immigration are still a fact. That is what you call a fallacy. It is almost as if you are telling the people already here who want a better life to go fuck themselves so you can feel generous at their expense!





full member
Activity: 952
Merit: 175
@cryptocommies
How long will they stay in this temporary housing? Thats the issue.  At 775 per day, it only takes 3 months to reach the lifetime burden of a typical low-educated immigrant ($62,582, according to the study you just cited.).  Thats before we even get into the cost of all the extra security and legal fees.   
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost
Quote
t, “Well-educated households tend
to be net tax contributors.” But at the same time, “Poorly educated households, whether immigrant or U.S.-born, receive far
more in government benefits than they pay in taxes.” My own research has come to the same conclusion.18
Poorly educated people are a drain "whether immigrant or US born" which is why universal free education would be so beneficial for everyone anyway. You see , education is the IV in this relationship, not immigration.  Build more schools less jails.

Quote
Those with modest levels of education tend to earn low wages in the modern American economy, and as
a result tend to make low tax payments and often qualify for means-tested programs. The less-educated are a net fiscal drain,
on average, regardless of legal status or if they were born in the United States or a foreign country.
Lets just ignore the people who are paying them low wages, extracting their production, and not being taxed.  We should blame them and make them pay workers more of a fair share. That way, all those extra income taxes can be generated.  You see, the employers who pay poverty wages are the real drain on the economy.  This is what you call a scapegoat. 

Quote
s. In terms of the educational attainment of illegal immigrants, there is a good deal
of evidence that they have modest levels of education, much lower than native-born Americans or legal immigrants.
Its almost as if they are coming here for a better life!
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
Facts are facts.  72% of undocumented immigrants work compared to 60% of the entire population so they are actually an economic plus. If you normalize their status they can live above ground while paying full taxes.  Hearings are currently being scheduled for 2022 it is short term style housing but will be used long term and even as some of those people are sent home, they will just be replaced by a ballooning amount of more refugees.  

775 per day for four years is more than the average american makes in a lifetime.  Its over a million dollars.  The permanent recurring cost would be negative in the form of the income taxes 73% of these people would be paying if they were free.  The moral argument is clear, but there is no logical economic argument on your behalf.  Its not even close.  The cost of detaining these people is astronomical and we aren't even counting the money being spent "securing the border" and funding ICE which is money that could instead be spent replenishing the resources you say these people are a burden to.  

Since Flying Hellfish refuses to remove this off topic post, and I refuse to continue off topic in the original thread, I have decided to split this off into an on topic thread in order to respond.

You lack basic understanding of logic let alone economics. Your statistics are not only unsourced but consist mostly of non-sequiturs .There is a HUGE difference between a larger short term cost compared to a long term recurring cost. You are extrapolating a short term cost out perpetually as if it is a permanent cost when it is not. Illegal aliens are only temporarily being detained before deportation, they are not held forever in detention centers. This is the kind of logic toddlers can grasp but you seem to have problems with.




"Deportation vs. the Cost of Letting Illegal Immigrants Stay"

https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2017-07/deportation-vs-stay-costs.pdf

Pages:
Jump to: