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legendary
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I think nordic countries are a result of eugenics. Why they have to be all good looking and tall?

The tall part comes from less sunlight. They stay inside a lot more because of the cold weather.


Wrong. The people there are used to the cold. They go out a lot all year round. My last time in Norway was in April, there was still some snow and yet on Oslo's waterfront, I've seen people enjoying drinks several restaurants' terraces. That was at night, on a weekday.
Yeah I was going to say that. People go out normally there so I dont see the analogy.
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I think nordic countries are a result of eugenics. Why they have to be all good looking and tall?

The tall part comes from less sunlight. They stay inside a lot more because of the cold weather.


Wrong. The people there are used to the cold. They go out a lot all year round. My last time in Norway was in April, there was still some snow and yet on Oslo's waterfront, I've seen people enjoying drinks several restaurants' terraces. That was at night, on a weekday.
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Babies aren't bags, they shouldn't be specially designed, they are not for show. If you're a possible parent and you want a designer baby you should not be a parent. If you aren't willing to just take the baby as is and instead have to make sure it is perfect to your standards before it is even conceived you have more growing up to do before you are ready to become a parent. We try to teach kids that you have to accept yourself the way your are and you were born that way for a reason. That reason should not be because your parents designed you that way! I would be embarrassed to be a designer baby or even to consider the fact of them being a possibility.

thank you for posting this one ( I just made a quick correction, I think it goes better).
Thanks for correction, I have corrected it.
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Babies aren't bags, they shouldn't be specially designed, they are not for show. If you're a possible parent and you want a designer baby you should not be a parent. If you aren't willing to just take the baby as is and instead have to make sure it is perfect to your standards before it is even conceived you have more growing up to do before you are ready to become a parent. We try to teach kids that you have to accept yourself the way your are and you were born that way for a reason. That reason should not be because your parents designed you that way! I would be embarrassed to be a designer baby or even to consider the fact of them being a possibility.

thank you for posting this one ( I just made a quick correction, I think it goes better).
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Babies aren't bags, they shouldn't be specially designed, they are not for show. If you're a possible parent and you want a designer baby you should not be a parent. If you aren't willing to just take the baby as is and instead have to make sure it is perfect to your standards before it is even conceived you have more growing up to do before you are ready to become a parent. We try to teach kids that you have to accept yourself the way your are and you were born that way for a reason. That reason should not be because your parents designed you that way! I would be embarrassed to be a designer baby or even to consider the fact of them being a possibility.
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I think nordic countries are a result of eugenics. Why they have to be all good looking and tall?

The tall part comes from less sunlight. They stay inside a lot more because of the cold weather.

After all, stick a plant in a dark closet and let it grow up in there. It grows tall and scraggly. Give it just enough sunlight, and it will grow tall and beautiful.

Smiley


Scandinavians are what... Homo Arboris

 Cool


legendary
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I think nordic countries are a result of eugenics. Why they have to be all good looking and tall?

The tall part comes from less sunlight. They stay inside a lot more because of the cold weather.

After all, stick a plant in a dark closet and let it grow up in there. It grows tall and scraggly. Give it just enough sunlight, and it will grow tall and beautiful.

Smiley
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I think nordic countries are a result of eugenics. Why they have to be all good looking and tall?
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I realized that it's was my preconception of what I had learn on what is a mitochondria that influenced all my perception on this issue. I have only access to one modelization of this at the very low level, however it illustrate how a model bad or good in certain case can have repercussion by framing the understanding in certain ways, that may be usefull (I repeat) but may not represent the reality accurately (meaning that better model(s) are always possible).

so yes their is 3 dna present, but when an organ is transplanted there is too 3 dnas... I said that, I say nothing.
legendary
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To those who ignore it, the nazis were the strongest proponents of eugenism. They killed the inferior people (jews, gypsies...) and they created the lebensborn to organize the master race.

The Boys from Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=167yT9JX0_Y


That was fiction, but there's real history behind that movie.

Didn't something like that happen in Argentina where most of the Nazis fled.

Not in Argentina. In Germany, and even in 1944, when there were food shortages everywhere, the children were well fed.
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MPs have voted in favour of the creation of babies with DNA from two women and one man, in an historic move.

The UK is now set to become the first country to introduce laws to allow the creation of babies from three people.

In a free vote in the Commons, 382 MPs were in favour and 128 against the technique that stops genetic diseases being passed from mother to child.

During the debate, ministers said the technique was "light at the end of a dark tunnel" for families.

A further vote is required in the House of Lords. It everything goes ahead then the first such baby could be born next year.

Proponents said the backing was "good news for progressive medicine" but critics say they will continue to fight against the technique that they say raises too many ethical and safety concerns.

Estimates suggest 150 three-person babies could be born each year.

Prime Minister David Cameron said: "We're not playing god here, we're just making sure that two parents who want a healthy baby can have one."

Life-saving

The method, which was developed in Newcastle, should help women like Sharon Bernardi, from Sunderland, who lost all seven of her children to mitochondrial disease.

Ms Bernadi said was "overwhelmed" by the decision.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31069173




A whole new take on "having a threesome".

This really could be a good thing if controlled properly.



That ended a world war!

I think it started it, in fact.

WW3 probably wont start with a nuke. it will build up to using nukes but until then it will be conventional warfare with maybe biological warfare too.

but any way being able to make your baby have a gene for intelligence is actually a huge step forward if we can make are children smart and athletic the human race will advance extremely fast.

You mean the "master race". Who's to say it's not already happening? The majority of people will not be able to afford this. Most likely (if not wiped out entirely) those that survive this class war will be downgraded to become a more docile workforce.
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MPs have voted in favour of the creation of babies with DNA from two women and one man, in an historic move.

The UK is now set to become the first country to introduce laws to allow the creation of babies from three people.

In a free vote in the Commons, 382 MPs were in favour and 128 against the technique that stops genetic diseases being passed from mother to child.

During the debate, ministers said the technique was "light at the end of a dark tunnel" for families.

A further vote is required in the House of Lords. It everything goes ahead then the first such baby could be born next year.

Proponents said the backing was "good news for progressive medicine" but critics say they will continue to fight against the technique that they say raises too many ethical and safety concerns.

Estimates suggest 150 three-person babies could be born each year.

Prime Minister David Cameron said: "We're not playing god here, we're just making sure that two parents who want a healthy baby can have one."

Life-saving

The method, which was developed in Newcastle, should help women like Sharon Bernardi, from Sunderland, who lost all seven of her children to mitochondrial disease.

Ms Bernadi said was "overwhelmed" by the decision.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31069173



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Did you read about mitochondrial implantation? British lawmakers in the House of Commons have voted to approve letting scientists insert mitochondria from an other woman inside the cell of the others. One step closer to the trashable baby? who will want a v.1 when the v.2 is available 6 month later for implementation, will the manufacturers chose a Intel approach tick-tock or a iPhone yearly release, mitochondria market opens  Huh National Security Risk  Huh Are you sure to want to open the gate  Huh Some say to help, always... but at the end do  you want to become ants? centralized, to the point of being unable to implant anything complex, like building a spacecraft... Because in the case I don't see anything "wrong" with that, but it's just my point of view... risks are beyond point of view. they require knowledge, but are always understandable by anyone. it's taking the precautions where the conflict start...

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-uk-dna-20150203-story.html#navtype=outfit

The techniques would likely only be used in about a dozen British women every year who have faulty mitochondria, the energy-producing structures outside a cell's nucleus. To fix that, scientists remove the nucleus DNA from the egg of a prospective mother and insert it into a donor egg from which the nucleus DNA has been removed. This can be done either before or after fertilization.

who doesn't want boosted mitochondria, mandatory for service? loans? who knows... Anyway what ever biological will still be too slow/weak/etc against the Machines, the only advantage of organic is being dieable... Eternity can become long once started to be experienced...

edit: and if there is a "bug" will they do recall? release patches? or reimburse? wait for v1.00 or maybe the patched up v1.01, insane.

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edit 2: and the original mother can't be healed?
legendary
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This really could be a good thing if controlled properly.



That ended a world war!

I think it started it, in fact.

WW3 probably wont start with a nuke. it will build up to using nukes but until then it will be conventional warfare with maybe biological warfare too.

but any way being able to make your baby have a gene for intelligence is actually a huge step forward if we can make are children smart and athletic the human race will advance extremely fast.


Only if it is open source and free from any monopoly and patents. That's impossible.

And even if it was totally free for all, the first served will find a way, with their brand new super brain and brad pitt look, to slow down the others coming after them so they can stay on top of the food chain. If you have 7 billions of super smart brad pitts, then no one is smart, or cute. Everyone becomes an average super smart brad pitt  Smiley

And yes the atomic bomb did stop the war in the pacific. Well... Not after the second bomb, then hirohito realized it was time to give up, and not let his people fight until the last woman or the last child dies to defend his honor.

It was also a bright signal telling stalin to watch out...



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This really could be a good thing if controlled properly.



That ended a world war!

I think it started it, in fact.

WW3 probably wont start with a nuke. it will build up to using nukes but until then it will be conventional warfare with maybe biological warfare too.

but any way being able to make your baby have a gene for intelligence is actually a huge step forward if we can make are children smart and athletic the human race will advance extremely fast.
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To those who ignore it, the nazis were the strongest proponents of eugenism. They killed the inferior people (jews, gypsies...) and they created the lebensborn to organize the master race.

The Boys from Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=167yT9JX0_Y


That was fiction, but there's real history behind that movie.

Didn't something like that happen in Argentina where most of the Nazis fled.
legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
To those who ignore it, the nazis were the strongest proponents of eugenism. They killed the inferior people (jews, gypsies...) and they created the lebensborn to organize the master race.

The Boys from Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=167yT9JX0_Y


That was fiction, but there's real history behind that movie.
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This really could be a good thing if controlled properly.







That ended a world war!
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The movie Gattaca is relevant to this discussion. You should watch it.

Thought about it a split second before seeing your post.
Talking about telepathy and stuff in the other thread... Smiley

Great movie. One of my favorites.
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