Topic: dice.ninja - Now with Plinko! - page 21. (Read 84673 times)
I'm not going to read or respond to any more BB posts, but see my response to his silly accusations.
I think the SEC would see a difference. By investing you are only bankrolling. If investment was offered as shares then maybe. There are no real regulations for this sort of stuff at the moment.
Agreed.
In retrospect, "invest" was a bad word for to pick for what people do at crowd-bankrolled dice sites. It suggests to the uninformed that you're buying a share in the site when of course you aren't. I don't know what a better pair of verbs than invest/divest would be though. "bankroll/unbankroll" is clumsy, and has the disadvantage that "bankroll" is a noun as well as a verb, and so is confusing. I guess crowd-funded bankrolls are new enough that we don't yet have a good vocabulary for describing them and so "borrow" words from a related but different activity.
The SEC seems mainly concerned with unregistered share offerings, such as in the SatoshiDice case (Edit: this quote is from the SEC):
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An SEC investigation found that Erik T. Voorhees published prospectuses on the Internet and actively solicited investors to buy shares in SatoshiDICE and FeedZeBirds. But he failed to register the offerings with the SEC as required under the federal securities laws.
What sites like dice.ninja were offering wasn't anything like a share offering (it's more like a long-standing bet against the regular dice players) and so I doubt the SEC would be interested.
save it for the judge ! you are already in hot water as it is ... you know what you did.. stop being a bitch! :\ touting unregistered "investment" sites of any kind is a no no... look up wire fraud(your picture is prolly there)
I think the SEC would see a difference. By investing you are only bankrolling. If investment was offered as shares then maybe. There are no real regulations for this sort of stuff at the moment.
Agreed.
In retrospect, "invest" was a bad word for to pick for what people do at crowd-bankrolled dice sites. It suggests to the uninformed that you're buying a share in the site when of course you aren't. I don't know what a better pair of verbs than invest/divest would be though. "bankroll/unbankroll" is clumsy, and has the disadvantage that "bankroll" is a noun as well as a verb, and so is confusing. I guess crowd-funded bankrolls are new enough that we don't yet have a good vocabulary for describing them and so "borrow" words from a related but different activity.
The SEC seems mainly concerned with unregistered share offerings, such as in the SatoshiDice case (Edit: this quote is from the SEC):
Quote
An SEC investigation found that Erik T. Voorhees published prospectuses on the Internet and actively solicited investors to buy shares in SatoshiDICE and FeedZeBirds. But he failed to register the offerings with the SEC as required under the federal securities laws.
What sites like dice.ninja were offering wasn't anything like a share offering (it's more like a long-standing bet against the regular dice players) and so I doubt the SEC would be interested.
I think the SEC would see a difference. By investing you are only bankrolling. If investment was offered as shares then maybe. There are no real regulations for this sort of stuff at the moment.
I just called Janelle Marzouka ... i bet the legal team at the university will love to hear their basketball people are linked/involved with wire fraudsters ~ internet gambling cartel lmfao
oh this is getting interesting
I think the SEC would see a difference. By investing you are only bankrolling. If investment was offered as shares then maybe. There are no real regulations for this sort of stuff at the moment.
I don't doubt that's a possible reality but that's not what anybody is currently talking about.
oh you missed the other thread ... yes because this was touted as an investment site ~ just-dice.com evolved into dice.ninja ...now i wonder how many handles dooglus uses? We need to find out everything we can about Chris Moore. I'm going to keep a daily discussion going on here and the other SEC research thread ... the truth will come out sure enough!
ez mate
I don't doubt that's a possible reality but that's not what anybody is currently talking about.
On the face of it, of course it's fraud but the law isn't that clear cut. Call me naive, but a theft of that size should interest any law enforcement, even if it was the theft of $1m of magic beans.
i bet someone from the securities exchange commission is already looking into this Chris "dooglus" Moore guy ... he needs to be made an example of he thinks this is fun and games ? lol
nice try ...watch i'll be here laughing while he's sitting in court
On the face of it, of course it's fraud but the law isn't that clear cut. Call me naive, but a theft of that size should interest any law enforcement, even if it was the theft of $1m of magic beans.
Hi Mr. Law, I stole a million USD worth of BTC and now some angry guy is at my door asking for it back, help!
I guess it goes like this:
Hi Mr. Law, this crazy guy says I stole some kind of made up internet money that I never even heard of and is at my door asking for it back, help!
Wouldn't be the first time someone in the US has been prosecuted for BTC theft.
it's called fraud and dooglus knows he was touting this site... i have my crew pouring over all his i.p. addresses and it will only accelerate from here ...imo Chris "dooglus" Moore is going to end up like pirateat40 and Eric Voorhees etc ... because his brazen "over the top" attitude towards the law ! :\
Hi Mr. Law, I stole a million USD worth of BTC and now some angry guy is at my door asking for it back, help!
I guess it goes like this:
Hi Mr. Law, this crazy guy says I stole some kind of made up internet money that I never even heard of and is at my door asking for it back, help!
Wouldn't be the first time someone in the US has been prosecuted for BTC theft.
Hi Mr. Law, I stole a million USD worth of BTC and now some angry guy is at my door asking for it back, help!
I guess it goes like this:
Hi Mr. Law, this crazy guy says I stole some kind of made up internet money that I never even heard of and is at my door asking for it back, help!
tell that to pirateat40 lmfao !
~ nice promotion work Chris !!! now you caught with your hands in the cookie jar http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.VAaz8vvGtkg
you need a little help with reality bud ! ?
You guys really think a $1m heist wouldn't be interesting to any law enforcement anywhere?
I think the devs have bigger issues, namely violent opportunists, but the law would still love to get involved.
I think the devs have bigger issues, namely violent opportunists, but the law would still love to get involved.
i'm just looking to get my 38BTC back ... i dunno who else lost here,, i'm digging up all i can on these guys! ;-) easyyyyy
Hi Mr. Law, I stole a million USD worth of BTC and now some angry guy is at my door asking for it back, help!
I guess it goes like this:
Hi Mr. Law, this crazy guy says I stole some kind of made up internet money that I never even heard of and is at my door asking for it back, help!
You guys really think a $1m heist wouldn't be interesting to any law enforcement anywhere?
I think the devs have bigger issues, namely violent opportunists, but the law would still love to get involved.
I think the devs have bigger issues, namely violent opportunists, but the law would still love to get involved.
Hi Mr. Law, I stole a million USD worth of BTC and now some angry guy is at my door asking for it back, help!
dmf: Tony Soprano is at my door !
the police: *we will be right over in a few hours *
mmBBmm calling and threatening peoples life's doesn't work. I know AK has already filed one police claim against you for calling and threatening his wife.
lol now you are just talking out your ass, i've never called any of these assclowns!!! Now you need some special attention too? How many alternative aliases do you have ?
Hi Mr. Law, I stole a million USD worth of BTC and now some angry guy is at my door asking for it back, help!
Maybe this guy is high.. LOL
There's no other way.
Authorities will not help investors here, the ONLY way is convince dmf/to4d in person.
Authorities will not help investors here, the ONLY way is convince dmf/to4d in person.
That's right.
Also there's a lot of non-trivial methods especially in NY.
Edit.
@T04D
I'm still waiting:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9195903
But.... don't do too late.
Regards.
Hi Mr. Law, I stole a million USD worth of BTC and now some angry guy is at my door asking for it back, help!
Perhaps "there is this guy going all crazy about some imaginary money and threatening me, help".
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