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same crew !
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Why do people think legal action can't be taken? Have you ever dealt with the courts?
In the US, where I believe dmf/toad/whoever is from, bitcoin is treated like any possession, not money. If I loan my solid gold statue to a jewelry shop to drum up business and be payed a small portion of the business it brings, if he closes up shop and leaves, I could sue him and make him pay for my lawyers expenses as well.
If it's just because it's a "gambling" site, then by the IRS's own definition that bitcoin isn't money, they have made it the same as playing poker with food, computer parts, or whatever you use as a standin for real money. Well at least if I lost a ton of money that's the route I'd go.
In the US, where I believe dmf/toad/whoever is from, bitcoin is treated like any possession, not money. If I loan my solid gold statue to a jewelry shop to drum up business and be payed a small portion of the business it brings, if he closes up shop and leaves, I could sue him and make him pay for my lawyers expenses as well.
If it's just because it's a "gambling" site, then by the IRS's own definition that bitcoin isn't money, they have made it the same as playing poker with food, computer parts, or whatever you use as a standin for real money. Well at least if I lost a ton of money that's the route I'd go.
Courts can not enforce an illegal contract or award you damages based on illegal activity. If you're from the States and you sent money to this guy, you were involved in illegal activity, either gambling on an illegal site or investing in an illegal site. You have no legal remedy.
Have they specifically ruled it illegal yet? If they have I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere. So far they've just said it isn't classified as money, so in the eyes of the law it's just like gambling with things that may or may not be valuable in "real" money. Maybe that's illegal somehow online as well, but I think it's slightly different and/or not decided for bitcoin yet.
What i mean is there will eventually be a case just like this the courts have to decide, so why not let it be this one where lots of money was stolen?
You're talking about the IRS definition of bitcoin, which is irrelevant. Running a gambling site is illegal. It doesn't matter if it's denominated in dollars, bitcoins, or hotdogs. The site itself, taking deposits of anything, and then allowing people to gamble to win more of that item, is a gambling site. Gambling sites are illegal. Therefore a court will not reward your illegal behavior by issuing a judgment in your favor.
I generally agree with you and it might go that way in the end, but technically they haven't ruled on gambling with stuff that isn't fiat currency as far as I'm aware. Isn't that why gambling sites that are just for fun are legal?
It just seems like everyone is unsure and eventually there will be a court case to decide this stuff.
http://www.bitcoingg.com/bitcoin-gambling-legal/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/02/06/171182974/is-online-gambling-legal-if-bitcoins-not-dollars-are-at-stake
By that line of reasoning, the guy who ran Silk Road wouldn't have been charged with money laundering if the government believed bitcoin was valueless. Gambling sites that are just for fun are legal because you're not staking anything of value. Bitcoin has value, even if the government refuses to call it a currency. The key factor isn't "is this a currency?" It's "does this thing have value?" That's why you have to ( well legally you are supposed to) pay taxes on the value of gifts you receive, even if they're not money. Because they have value and are "income." That's also why some EU gambling sites block US IP addresses, because they can't legally take US customers because they'd be breaking US laws. Bottom line is, these sites are definitely illegal in the US, and no court has the power to award you damages for partaking in an illegal activity.
I noticed this all by visiting the JPCDice site first..
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
look at the bigger picture ! ~ we know where the coins went : PRIMEDICE!!!!! (mostly)
JOEMATTIE,DOOGLUS,STUNNA <------------ THESE GUYS ARE IN THE LOOP
_!_the taint analysis conducted on this thread was of great help...time is ticking away here i'm reviewing all of the domains and ip addresses and connecting the dots.
>> my amount owed in my instance is 38BTC so that's a small portion of the total lost by the community.
*i'm happy to share what i find to help others!
;-)
~easyyyyyyy
I noticed this all by visiting the JPCDice site first..
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
look at the bigger picture ! ~ we know where the coins went : PRIMEDICE!!!!! (mostly)
JOEMATTIE,DOOGLUS,STUNNA <------------ THESE GUYS ARE IN THE LOOP
I noticed this all by visiting the JPCDice site first..
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
look at the bigger picture ! ~ we know where the coins went : PRIMEDICE!!!!! (mostly)
JOEMATTIE,DOOGLUS,STUNNA <------------ THESE GUYS ARE IN THE LOOP
I noticed this all by visiting the JPCDice site first..
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
Not much talk about that site and it's losses or if we have a good replacement.
Where is my JPC dogs ?
You guys lose a lot too ?
anyway i hope you guys who lost coins will get it back.. this sucks !
I cant get over it, that the owner just gets away with it.
People need to be more careful with their money, it's as simple as that.
Investing in dice site always risky, we have only 1 exception.
Otherwise all scammed community.
huh? what would that be ? :\
I cant get over it, that the owner just gets away with it.
People need to be more careful with their money, it's as simple as that.
Investing in dice site always risky, we have only 1 exception.
Otherwise all scammed community.
i'm not going to roll over and play dead ! 
you hear me JoeMattie, stunna, dooglus ?
====> i'm not going to ever stop till we get the 38BTC back !
you hear me JoeMattie, stunna, dooglus ?====> i'm not going to ever stop till we get the 38BTC back !
I cant get over it, that the owner just gets away with it.
People need to be more careful with their money, it's as simple as that.
Have there been any developments, regarding the Jeremy person?
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
i'm on it i'm very close to wrapping this one up ! How much did you lose? I'm only dealing with a 38BTC figure...still i'm never going to give up until we get to the bottom of this!
*if you want me to look into your case feel free to PM me !
I didn't lose anything. One of my friends did. But not a significant amount.
Have there been any developments, regarding the Jeremy person?
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
i'm on it i'm very close to wrapping this one up ! How much did you lose? I'm only dealing with a 38BTC figure...still i'm never going to give up until we get to the bottom of this!
*if anyone would like me to look into their personal case feel free to PM me !
Have there been any developments, regarding the Jeremy person?
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
Its still pretty unclear and there isn't much evidence linking ninja to that guy or AK. Some people, did post they were going to look into it, and will post more developments.
Have there been any developments, regarding the Jeremy person?
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
Some people, said they were going to look into tracking him down or visiting US to take action.
Also, If it is illegal, then I doubt the laws will help anyone, specially it being an international case.
I cant get over it, that the owner just gets away with it.
Every third party site Dooglus advertises turns out to be a scam. If I was dooglus, I would stop advertising dice sites.
you are just mad they are trying to upstage you! LOL
"They" know we will raise a stink then get bored and wander off.. same old same old..
they have us buy the balls.. well actually only us Greedy guys LOL
next time..
hacker.. blah blah blah
drama...
forgotten.
rinse repeat
and they know it !
they have us buy the balls.. well actually only us Greedy guys LOL
next time..
hacker.. blah blah blah
drama...
forgotten.
rinse repeat
and they know it !
naw fool not this time,,, i'm digging in here ....~ big game ;-) kekekee
I don't understand why this guy isn't banned already?
scamming people is NOT against the rules.
but be VERY careful in how you get mad at the guy who ripped you off because it will get you banned maybe for Trolling or what ever..
this is a carefully constructed environment designed to protect scammers and minimize complainers..
most guys will tell you to quit whining and go make more bitcoin !
you are ruining all our image in crypto by being negative so be happy and cheer up Mr Downer.
sound familiar my fellow bitcoiners ?
greetings my friend! good to see you!!!!
yes we are dealing with the usual suspects here haha Jump to: