Did Quickseller or marcotheminer frame ndnhc? If not, who did? - page 2.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 31, 2015, 09:49:07 PM

Quote from: BadBear on May 31, 2015, 09:41:29 PM

I already checked out question2, didn't find anything conclusive. Using Tor, and not enough data to use other methods.

Is there any chance of getting the TXID that he used to pay the units of evil fee?

Why do you always assume they paid one? They could have easily just used a proxy to register then move on to tor.

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Quote from: 311 on May 31, 2015, 08:25:04 AM

I don't know what good this thread does other than needlessly confuse the situation. It looks to be purely opinionated and not actualy based on any evidence. I think it's unfair to try blame QS or Marco just as much as it is to blame ndnhc in the first place. Without more evidence I don't think its fair to blame any of them in my opinion.

Actually, there's an itemized list of evidence 1-16 in the OP. The most damning, IMO, is the incredibly fast response time from QS in finding it. He made the same mistake when trolling me with an alt, necrobumping an old thread then "finding it" with his main within a super-short amount of time. Anyway, obviuosly the evidence isn't conclusive, but inconclusive evidence is still evidence.

Quote from: Quickseller on May 31, 2015, 08:32:14 AM

Your point 9 is also invalid, as this fact takes someone's word as fact which is heresy.

The spanish inquisition cries "heresy!". (lol, couldn't help myself; given that QS's overzealousness is basically his downfall, this typo was too ironic)

Quote from: Quickseller on May 31, 2015, 08:54:51 AM

I am saying that ndnhc's inability to access the forum for those three days is heresy and is impossible to prove. I would not take that as evidence to support his guilt or innocence.

Whoa, even more heresy! Okay, time to be more helpful: quickseller, click here

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The reason I removed the negative trust was because I wouldn't believe that you would be their signature campaign manager (from what it seems you also handle some of their PR related things as well) and then make the mistake of entering a giveaway after it had ended.

Wait, if taking someone else's word is heresy, then I think QS is asking us to become heretics too!

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I cannot speak to anything that anyone else did or did not do. However using a throwaway account is not straightening your case IMO.

I think he means "strengthening", but now I'm just being mean.

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Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 07:11:59 AM

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10. Timestamp: May 27, 2015, 10:30:41 PM. Quickseller opens the "ndnhc is an extortionist" thread with only 45 minutes, 46 seconds having passed since question2 posted the address. That is an extremely fast response time for a read in a section that is not even popular for most users (Games and Rounds? You trying to tell me that's a main section?).
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This one is important. Is there are way to see if google indexed this address & thread by the time he posted?

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 31, 2015, 09:49:07 PM

Quote from: BadBear on May 31, 2015, 09:41:29 PM

I already checked out question2, didn't find anything conclusive. Using Tor, and not enough data to use other methods.

Is there any chance of getting the TXID that he used to pay the units of evil fee?

Can't access specific txid's right now (related to the proxy unban fee also not currently working).

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Quote from: BadBear on May 31, 2015, 09:41:29 PM

I already checked out question2, didn't find anything conclusive. Using Tor, and not enough data to use other methods.

Did we check into why Quickseller was so unbelievable fast to falsely accuse a reputable member of the forums?

Will the mods/admins investigate the accusations leveled at Quickseller or Marcotheminer?

Any sanctions if either / both set up this frame job?

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Quote from: BadBear on May 31, 2015, 09:41:29 PM

I already checked out question2, didn't find anything conclusive. Using Tor, and not enough data to use other methods.

Is there any chance of getting the TXID that he used to pay the units of evil fee?

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I already checked out question2, didn't find anything conclusive. Using Tor, and not enough data to use other methods.

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Quote from: OrangeSeller on May 31, 2015, 09:44:47 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 31, 2015, 09:42:56 AM

Quote from: OrangeSeller on May 31, 2015, 09:35:41 AM

Anyone ask this already? Why from so many people posting address in Dadice prediction thread, he stalk in question2?

Most people will not even check the address posted there, especially if it is a newbie account

Newbies' posts are far more easier to find than others. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol

Why question2? Apart from so many newbie or new account posting address for giveaway? Normal people will not even bother about it

If you checked that link I gave, you can see it only consists of newbies' posts. The link I gave is used to moderate/report spams by newbies. I don't know about QS but IIRC, I have seen him saying that he reports posts. So it is possible he saw it when he was going through patrol page. As it is known that question2 is an extortionist, QS may have checked about the address posted by him/her. I don't know how he did but there is an easier way -- https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE/links. He may or may not used this and we will have to ask him to know the answer. QS have a scambusting behavior, so it is also possible he is following that account closely or username in patrol page catched his eye or it is also possible he framed ndnhc(though I don't believe this).

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 31, 2015, 09:42:56 AM

Quote from: OrangeSeller on May 31, 2015, 09:35:41 AM

Anyone ask this already? Why from so many people posting address in Dadice prediction thread, he stalk in question2?

Most people will not even check the address posted there, especially if it is a newbie account

Newbies' posts are far more easier to find than others. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol

Why question2? Apart from so many newbie or new account posting address for giveaway? Normal people will not even bother about it

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Quote from: OrangeSeller on May 31, 2015, 09:35:41 AM

Anyone ask this already? Why from so many people posting address in Dadice prediction thread, he stalk in question2?

Most people will not even check the address posted there, especially if it is a newbie account

Newbies' posts are far more easier to find than others. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol

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Anyone ask this already? Why from so many people posting address in Dadice prediction thread, he stalk in question2?

Most people will not even check the address posted there, especially if it is a newbie account

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Quote from: Twipple on May 31, 2015, 09:11:11 AM

One thing also to note , not that it matters but even if in the future you happen to scam , it can easily be concluded to say you are being framed Tongue

I still believe QS to be responsible for this though , and he made it quick before people started pointing more fingers at him. Right now resolving the negative trust on you was the best move for him , to avoid any questiosn raised whether it was him who tried to frame you.

Being so fast and eager to leave ratings shows that the person itself is doubtful. There is a saying in hindi "Jaldi ka kaam shaitaan ka hota hai" which means "Working faster than expected is the devil's work"

Being it ndnhc or any other reputed DF member being a scammer is possible but I've noticed that people who are usually hot tempered/abusers/bashers who are actual scammers. The people who abuse and insult usually do it because they have nothing to say to defend their statement/claim. They scam not to feed themselves but to show how the person they scammed is a fool and they think it's right.

Ndnhc seemed quite cool and jovial and hence I never doubted him but I wish I could say the same about others here. Now I hope some people don't jump to conclusions too fast and at least spend some time in talking to the person whom they doubt and finding a reason to claim them as a scammer.

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Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 09:00:13 AM

@QS: Thanks for your response again. That does make sense.

If Quickseller didn't frame ndnhc, however, we should move onto the question of: who did? Can we determine that? Is it worth trying? Et cetera.

This is the kind of thing that I would have hopped that BadBear would have addressed by outing the alts of question2, however for some reason he has not done so.

I don't know if it can be determined who was behind question2 or not. I somewhat doubt that whoever is behind it will ever login to the account again. The best bet to finding who is behind question2 is BadBear looking into alts.

However I have asked ndnhc for a list of the people who have been kicked from the DaDice campaign and I will put them on my radar so to speak. I don't think I will be able to find who did with that information, however if they are willing to do something like this then they are likely willing to do other shady things as well, and it will only be a matter of time before they pull off some other scam.

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Quote from: erikalui on May 31, 2015, 09:07:14 AM

Quote from: ndnh on May 31, 2015, 08:46:52 AM

Quote from: erikalui on May 31, 2015, 08:46:25 AM

I seriously don't think that Marco or any other pirated copy of James Bond will try to frame ndnhc. It's most probably a member who was a part of the dadice campaign and who recently was removed/denied payment by the campaign tried to frame ndnhc. Only ndnhc would be able to check this and expose him as other members here aren't even interested in finding out the culprit. The newbie account hasn't been active since May 28th and it's likely that he/she would try to come back with another account and scam someone else. Rather than arguing about the former case, the forum needs to know the real culprit.

Fair point. That is why my list of suspects isn't just 2 or 3 members. Grin

I am not going to bother about this. I got to manage and fix the campaign I am responsible for.

You don't need to bother about finding the culprit dear but just be alert now as the scammer can try to attack you once again (hatred being the reason). I'm sure there are many members here who are experienced in finding about such scammers. Wink

One thing also to note , not that it matters but even if in the future you happen to scam , it can easily be concluded to say you are being framed Tongue

I still believe QS to be responsible for this though , and he made it quick before people started pointing more fingers at him. Right now resolving the negative trust on you was the best move for him , to avoid any questiosn raised whether it was him who tried to frame you.

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Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 09:00:13 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on May 31, 2015, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 08:50:29 AM

Quote from: 311 on May 31, 2015, 08:43:18 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on May 31, 2015, 08:35:32 AM

Interesting read,it did cross my mind as a possibility also, however highly unlikely that anything can be proven, it's all insinuations.
Too bad we dont have the ability to track login IP's to clear things up a bit.

That likely wouldn't sort the situation either. If it was one of the three I'm sure they'd be wise enough to use tor or not their normal IP. Since QS has removed the feedback and I'm sure vod will to I think this should just be marked as inconclusive but there's definitly not enough evidence to pin any wrong doing on anyone in my opinion.

I think you might be right that we should draw this as inconclusive. I never claimed my evidence was good, I just think it is something that should definitely be considered due to strange implications. So there ya go.

This 360 second posting timer is such a pain.

Maybe you should use your main account or are you worried of/by something/someone?

Yes, @redsn0w and @311, if you had actually bothered to read the whole thread properly:

Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 07:11:59 AM

This is a throwaway account created specifically to raise these points, I do not want to start a possible trust war.

I have also stated I will verify who I am to a staff member if they really want to know as long as they do not disclose who I am. I also do not want to risk breaking any possible deals in the future by pissing someone off unintentionally Wink

I don't see how timestamped proof can have no truth to it because I'm on a throwaway. Christ above, what is wrong with some of you today? I have no problem with you defending Quickseller (I ain't like those tools who shill-fight dogie and Vod), none at all, but you're doing it blindly.

To build on "I have no problem with you defending Quickseller" I actually want to see responses from him defending himself. I would rather him be innocent than guilty. I'm just very confused by the speed.

@QS: Thanks for your response again. That does make sense.
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Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 08:50:29 AM

This 360 second posting timer is such a pain.

However this is only another speculative thread without some real proofs. I am sure if you were courageous you will post from your main account, but I really doubt you will do it.

Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 09:00:13 AM

If Quickseller didn't frame ndnhc, however, we should move onto the question of: who did? Can we determine that? Is it worth trying? Et cetera.

Really impossible without the help of an admin, I am still searching who (almost) screwed up me and the other user during my escrow service.... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: ndnh on May 31, 2015, 08:46:52 AM

Quote from: erikalui on May 31, 2015, 08:46:25 AM

I seriously don't think that Marco or any other pirated copy of James Bond will try to frame ndnhc. It's most probably a member who was a part of the dadice campaign and who recently was removed/denied payment by the campaign tried to frame ndnhc. Only ndnhc would be able to check this and expose him as other members here aren't even interested in finding out the culprit. The newbie account hasn't been active since May 28th and it's likely that he/she would try to come back with another account and scam someone else. Rather than arguing about the former case, the forum needs to know the real culprit.

Fair point. That is why my list of suspects isn't just 2 or 3 members. Grin

I am not going to bother about this. I got to manage and fix the campaign I am responsible for.

You don't need to bother about finding the culprit dear but just be alert now as the scammer can try to attack you once again (hatred being the reason). I'm sure there are many members here who are experienced in finding about such scammers. Wink

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 31, 2015, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 08:50:29 AM

Quote from: 311 on May 31, 2015, 08:43:18 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on May 31, 2015, 08:35:32 AM

Interesting read,it did cross my mind as a possibility also, however highly unlikely that anything can be proven, it's all insinuations.
Too bad we dont have the ability to track login IP's to clear things up a bit.

That likely wouldn't sort the situation either. If it was one of the three I'm sure they'd be wise enough to use tor or not their normal IP. Since QS has removed the feedback and I'm sure vod will to I think this should just be marked as inconclusive but there's definitly not enough evidence to pin any wrong doing on anyone in my opinion.

I think you might be right that we should draw this as inconclusive. I never claimed my evidence was good, I just think it is something that should definitely be considered due to strange implications. So there ya go.

This 360 second posting timer is such a pain.

Maybe you should use your main account or are you worried of/by something/someone?

Yes, @redsn0w and @311, if you had actually bothered to read the whole thread properly:

Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 07:11:59 AM

This is a throwaway account created specifically to raise these points, I do not want to start a possible trust war.

I have also stated I will verify who I am to a staff member if they really want to know as long as they do not disclose who I am. I also do not want to risk breaking any possible deals in the future by pissing someone off unintentionally Wink

I don't see how timestamped proof can have no truth to it because I'm on a throwaway. Christ above, what is wrong with some of you today? I have no problem with you defending Quickseller (I ain't like those tools who shill-fight dogie and Vod), none at all, but you're doing it blindly.

To build on "I have no problem with you defending Quickseller" I actually want to see responses from him defending himself. I would rather him be innocent than guilty. I'm just very confused by the speed.

@QS: Thanks for your response again. That does make sense.

If Quickseller didn't frame ndnhc, however, we should move onto the question of: who did? Can we determine that? Is it worth trying? Et cetera.

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Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 08:41:56 AM

Note I'm merely pointing out things I find weird, mainly the time it took QS to respond. I appreciate that QS made a response, so thanks for that @QS.

But if you think I shouldn't take ndnhc's word, are you implying you think he wasn't framed?

If you had followed the thread I had created, you would have seen that question2 had posted in the DaDice signature campaign thread, which I follow pretty closely which is what got my attention to the post that question2 had made in their giveaway thread.

I am saying that ndnhc's inability to access the forum for those three days is heresy and is impossible to prove. I would not take that as evidence to support his guilt or innocence.

As I mentioned to ndnhc via PM, the reason why I removed the trust was because:

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The reason I removed the negative trust was because I wouldn't believe that you would be their signature campaign manager (from what it seems you also handle some of their PR related things as well) and then make the mistake of entering a giveaway after it had ended.

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 31, 2015, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: qsexpose on May 31, 2015, 08:50:29 AM

Quote from: 311 on May 31, 2015, 08:43:18 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on May 31, 2015, 08:35:32 AM

Interesting read,it did cross my mind as a possibility also, however highly unlikely that anything can be proven, it's all insinuations.
Too bad we dont have the ability to track login IP's to clear things up a bit.

That likely wouldn't sort the situation either. If it was one of the three I'm sure they'd be wise enough to use tor or not their normal IP. Since QS has removed the feedback and I'm sure vod will to I think this should just be marked as inconclusive but there's definitly not enough evidence to pin any wrong doing on anyone in my opinion.

I think you might be right that we should draw this as inconclusive. I never claimed my evidence was good, I just think it is something that should definitely be considered due to strange implications. So there ya go.

This 360 second posting timer is such a pain.

Maybe you should use your main account or are you worried of/by something/someone?

What I was going to say. If the accusation had any truth to it there would be no problem using your main account, but it is a conspiracy based on no evidence and just opinion and I think that's why you chose to use another account.

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Maybe you guys should also read the theory I posted why it could be Quickseller. Anyways, I am tired of trying to defend myself for the negative trust on my account, specially by TBZ at first, even after posting all the proof. It clearly shows how broken the trust system is.

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