Did Ukraine successfully rug us? - page 2.

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Quote from: electronicash on March 03, 2022, 11:58:23 PM

i was watching the NLW breakdown today and was amazed to see Ukraine plans to airdrop thier own nation-state token to those who will donate to their war. the funds raised up to $54M based on this article from cnbc and this is after the Ukrainian government announced this airdrop. Mykhailo Fedorov )Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Digital Transformation) the next day tweeted, they are not distributing Ukraine coins but instead NFTS. https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1499348177002151937

this guy from youtube also talked about his frustration about this rug pull. notice her girl roaming behind him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGwy85r98k

this could have a positive effect on crypto if the country really sends out government-backed tokens. do you think the IMF also advised Fedorov not to pursue this Ukrain coins? what do you think stopped them from releasing?

Since they are asking for donations (like in any other causes), we don’t expect anything in return especially coins, tokens and NFTs. I don’t call this a rug pull because we are donating for something very important for our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.

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Rug pull? Its far from that.

We've seen people donating Bitcoin, Ethereum, Tether and even DOGE to their address and they successfully donated much that will help the country.
There is somebody who also made a Ukraine flag NFT and they bought it and the money went from the government.

This is the short definition of a rugpull base on Coinmarketcap. LINK

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A rug pull is a malicious maneuver in the cryptocurrency industry where crypto developers abandon a project and run away with investors’ funds

I didn't see any developers here nor a project and no run away with investor's funds. Investors and donators donated the money because they want to help and calling it as a rug pull is very irrelevant and out of the topic. Lets just think that all of the money that they got has been given thru initiative and not because they want to invest in a project whatsoever. There is no project here but just a donation and those who want to donate will just donate.

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Quote from: tippytoes on March 05, 2022, 08:25:19 AM

Quote from: electronicash on March 05, 2022, 08:17:24 AM

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I hate it when people do not keep to their promises. If they'd promised their state owned token, then that is what they should be airdropping, not NFTs. No matter what their reasons are, it is totally unacceptable.

that's the reason people on Twitter were also screaming rug pull to Ukraine. of course, people will understand that they are under attack and need funds but they just can't just do that. they have to be honest in what they are saying.

i thought this will be the start where countries will really be releasing thier own token. i have it in my crystal ball already that once the state-owned token of Ukraine will be up and distributed many countries will look at it positively.

Ukraine is in the tight spot and they are looking for ways where to get funding and all. Don't expect too much from the airdrop because it can easily go sideways as the development of their own token is not a priority right now. Their utmost attention is how to survive in this war and how to fight Putin. So if you are going to participate in this airdrop, expect nothing in return. Just treat it as your help to Ukraine. We can't expect them to think clearly in the middle of this war.

People should not be too hard on Ukraine they are losing their people and their properties and their cities are under devastation stop blaming and accusing Ukraine of rug pull we should in fact do our share to help the Ukrainian people treat your donation as a donation, not as an investment, don't think to make profit from this war and from what's happening to Ukraine.

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Quote from: electronicash on March 05, 2022, 08:17:24 AM

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I hate it when people do not keep to their promises. If they'd promised their state owned token, then that is what they should be airdropping, not NFTs. No matter what their reasons are, it is totally unacceptable.

that's the reason people on Twitter were also screaming rug pull to Ukraine. of course, people will understand that they are under attack and need funds but they just can't just do that. they have to be honest in what they are saying.

i thought this will be the start where countries will really be releasing thier own token. i have it in my crystal ball already that once the state-owned token of Ukraine will be up and distributed many countries will look at it positively.

Ukraine is in the tight spot and they are looking for ways where to get funding and all. Don't expect too much from the airdrop because it can easily go sideways as the development of their own token is not a priority right now. Their utmost attention is how to survive in this war and how to fight Putin. So if you are going to participate in this airdrop, expect nothing in return. Just treat it as your help to Ukraine. We can't expect them to think clearly in the middle of this war.

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I hate it when people do not keep to their promises. If they'd promised their state owned token, then that is what they should be airdropping, not NFTs. No matter what their reasons are, it is totally unacceptable.

that's the reason people on Twitter were also screaming rug pull to Ukraine. of course, people will understand that they are under attack and need funds but they just can't just do that. they have to be honest in what they are saying.

i thought this will be the start where countries will really be releasing thier own token. i have it in my crystal ball already that once the state-owned token of Ukraine will be up and distributed many countries will look at it positively.

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Quote from: lobo13hf on March 04, 2022, 02:41:56 AM

Why are you saying this as a rug pull? This is a donation mate and hoping to get NFTs from there was a bonus and if you are the real donators and you will not expect something from what you have been donated. Calling this as a rugpull didn't fit with the fact if ukraine was looking for the donation but he was thinking NFT as a payback or award to the donators.
It sounds weird if i heard that there was a youtuber that called this as a rug pull when this is about people donated to the ukraine to be able to keep itself from the rusia attack.
I think that this is not good to call that as a rug pull.

But I am confused why the NFT is given to donors as a reward,
even though some of them donate really out of concern for the citizens and the ukraine state itself.
Some people have told me that this is their way of attracting sympathy to get more donations, I don't know if this is the truth because there is no real proof about it.
The thing I also think about is why they canceled the airdrop, instead they focused on distributing NFT to donors as a reward.
I know it's not good to talk about the problems of other people's countries, I'm only concerned about their citizens who really don't want to be involved in war,
even I think the airdrop will be distributed to them soon.

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Quote from: smyslov on March 04, 2022, 07:59:06 AM

Rug pull is when you ask people to invest they are asking for donation in the first place they launch an airdrop to thank those who donate in fact they can do away with the airdrop and they will still receive a lot of funds if you are an investor and you think it's a rug pull it's on you if you think you have been scammed you have the wrong thinking why not think it's for the good of a country battered by series of aggression.

Exactly, people nowadays are always thinking of crypto as a quick place to become rich overnight even they see donation as a chance to enrich them.
People with basic logic should understand this, they are asking for donations because they are in a war. How the hell does they see it as investment and expect something in return, they might have a plan to drop the airdrop but it is not their obligation to do that, they wanted to do it because they want to express their thanks for helping them. So when they decided to not do it, we should not be angry and tell people they had rug pulled us which is wrong.

Come on man, this way of thinking is wrong.

I don't fault with Ukraine ask how many time donation trough cryptocurrency but I looks disagree with their way why asking donation on cryptocurrency but they ask to exchange platform banned all Russian user. Looks not fair with them although respect and try tp give donation but never ask about banned Russian cryptocurrency user, maybe have some user from Russian make donation to Ukraine and not logic ask help to other but try to banned who have helped them.

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It's sad to see some youtubers and even those who are frustrated have failed to understand the meaning of donations they were donating for a noble cause to help the invaded nation to survive and Ukrainian government might have planned for airdrop as a return gesture but due to overwhelming response or other priorities they might have not been able to fulfill the same since they got much bigger problem to deal with at their doorstep as Russians are barraging on them from various front.

It's not right to expect something profitable out of fund which has been given as donation.

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So they want to create and start spreading NFTs in exchange for donations? Just to get the attention of donors I think this move is pretty crazy. I think they have initiated their own future political collapse without clashing with any country. On the other hand, NFT is still much debated because it has the potential to be used as a mediation in dirty politics.

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Sorry but this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Donations are donations. Investments are investments. That's that. How can someone expect so much from giving donations for others that are in need of assistance? Might as well invested on some other things if profits or returns are what a person is after. Whatever they do with the donation is for them to decide since it has been given to them. Now those nfts were just to show some appreciation for the donors, being able to think about that thought alone is good enough so despite not coming into fruition because of some reasons, they do not deserve to be blamed or accused with rug pulling. Im sorry but for me, people who donates and thinks like this are either attention seekers or pretentious profiteers which are nothing but disgusting people in my eyes.

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Quote from: smyslov on March 04, 2022, 07:59:06 AM

Rug pull is when you ask people to invest they are asking for donation in the first place they launch an airdrop to thank those who donate in fact they can do away with the airdrop and they will still receive a lot of funds if you are an investor and you think it's a rug pull it's on you if you think you have been scammed you have the wrong thinking why not think it's for the good of a country battered by series of aggression.

Exactly, people nowadays are always thinking of crypto as a quick place to become rich overnight even they see donation as a chance to enrich them.
People with basic logic should understand this, they are asking for donations because they are in a war. How the hell does they see it as investment and expect something in return, they might have a plan to drop the airdrop but it is not their obligation to do that, they wanted to do it because they want to express their thanks for helping them. So when they decided to not do it, we should not be angry and tell people they had rug pulled us which is wrong.

Come on man, this way of thinking is wrong.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 04, 2022, 06:53:09 AM

Why would they rug us? if we donate Bitcoins without any expectation in return? probably they are just going to airdrop it as a form of thanking us for donating during their crisis. I think if it was an NFT then there's nothing to worry I think that was a bonus for those people who donated Bitcoin. I may be wrong but that was the first assumption I that came to my mind.

Rug pull is when you ask people to invest they are asking for donation in the first place they launch an airdrop to thank those who donate in fact they can do away with the airdrop and they will still receive a lot of funds if you are an investor and you think it's a rug pull it's on you if you think you have been scammed you have the wrong thinking why not think it's for the good of a country battered by series of aggression.

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Why would they rug us? if we donate Bitcoins without any expectation in return? probably they are just going to airdrop it as a form of thanking us for donating during their crisis. I think if it was an NFT then there's nothing to worry I think that was a bonus for those people who donated Bitcoin. I may be wrong but that was the first assumption I that came to my mind.

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Definitely, not a rug pull according to the common understand and definition of the term. Maybe I would say that there can be some misunderstanding and lack of communication from people doing the airdrop/donation program. I don't have the details for what really happened but if they promised a coin airdrop and then they instead distributed NFTs then maybe there was a confusion and that can be due to the war situation in the country...things should have been handled by a group connected to the Ukrainian government but maybe based outside of the country. Anyway, the bottom line is that this is a form of a donation to a country that is reeling from the invasion of a mightier country and even if one is not getting in return I think helping is enough.

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Quote from: electronicash on March 03, 2022, 11:58:23 PM

i was watching the NLW breakdown today and was amazed to see Ukraine plans to airdrop thier own nation-state token to those who will donate to their war. the funds raised up to $54M based on this article from cnbc and this is after the Ukrainian government announced this airdrop. Mykhailo Fedorov )Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Digital Transformation) the next day tweeted, they are not distributing Ukraine coins but instead NFTS. https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1499348177002151937

this guy from youtube also talked about his frustration about this rug pull. notice her girl roaming behind him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGwy85r98k

this could have a positive effect on crypto if the country really sends out government-backed tokens. do you think the IMF also advised Fedorov not to pursue this Ukrain coins? what do you think stopped them from releasing?

Government backed cryptocurrencies is not really a new concept, have you heard of CBDC?

It won't make any difference and this airdrop if is coming officially from government then its just for the sake of publicity stunt.

What if Ukraine is completely captured by Russian military?

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Quote from: Accardo on March 04, 2022, 03:02:28 AM

In my understanding after watching the video and the reaction of people on Twitter, I think Ukraine concealed their intentions since many people including the Youtuber confirmed that they wouldn't have supported or donated to Ukraine if they didn't promise an Airdrop to supporters. On the other flip, Ukraine is under an attack and it's not a joke, they will do anything possible to raise funds to fight. Launching an Airdrop instead of an Aircraft is like a joke to the Ukrainian Government or the world. So, it's not a rug pull because this is not the best time to blame Ukraine they are going through a lot to consider a cryptocurrency project.

Donation with airdrop label I think looks joke made by Ukraine government although all people will agree for donating their money but is not worth when have way with airdrop kinds. I think Ukraine is not promise how can make war ended and help their people without have to be soldier and keep fight with Russia as have higher level soldier than Ukraine. I see not any impact with how many time asking by Ukraine president with to make fud for bitcoin and altcoin price because he still need help on other country by donating with cryptocurrency.

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Why are you calling this a rugpull? The country is almost turned upside down and this is all that you can come up with? Those who are sending donations are doing it for free with the hope of not getting anything in return, only heartless humans will help to get something back.

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Maybe it's another rug pull because surely many people /investors will take advantage the situation of Ukraine in order to make profits not to contribute the events so that every Ukrainians can get benefits. So its quite skeptical to be honest.

Much better to make a proper way of donation than participating on that airdrop because on that way we cannot assure if everything will be fine afterwards.

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For me, if you have donated to the cause then that's enough for me already.

I'm not expecting anything from Ukraine to be honest, so I'm not interested on any airdrop or whatever they are going to give us back. As for the rug pull? Nah, maybe they just changes their mind and think that it's better not to any airdrop but NFTS, it's their call, so there is no rug pull in my opinion.

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I advise everyone to stay away from any project that promises to achieve profits through donations or support for any humanitarian issues, how will you achieve profits from a humanitarian act that is supposed to be for assistance and not an investment.

As for obtaining some NFTs tokens, always remember that the value of the tokens is not specified, it may be worth a dollar now and a million in the future, and then obtaining these tokens may not be economically profitable.

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