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We've stated in the past that it doesn't really matter to us whether to settle UFC ties and Basketball Quarter and Half time ties as a push or as dead heat and that we are open to changes.

Seeing that some of you here are not satisfied with the current rule and in an effort to utilize the most commonly used rule, we took the decision to change these two rules and push tied bets instead of using the dead heat rule.

A formal announcement will be made later on today.

As for the rule in regards to postponed Baseball games, no change will be made because we believe that it is better to have the same rule all year long. Furthermore, this rule is in-line with our postponed games rule on other sports.

Why do you think that it is better to have two different rules, one for the regular season and one for postseason ?

So DB is not allowed in your thread but you keep trashing here?
Get a life

Do you offer ESports?

Jesus fucking christ Peeps, give it a rest! It's ridiculous how much you hound DirectBet. It makes you look extremely petty, like you have a vendetta against them, and like you work for the competition.

I hope you've noticed how much respect you've lost and how no one really pays much attention to your so-called "ratings" lately. This is why...

edited per request.

On baseball: Pinnacle changed the rule during this current season. Many sharp bettors would love if every site with low margins continued the bet on to the conclusion on a future day. It is exploitable, more so on some matches than on others. The two sharp sites likely had it that way to be a sharp friendly rule. But, both (Pinnacle + Bookmaker) have changed rules mid-season this season and last, multiple times during each season - going back and forth. Perhaps they are toying with "how much of an advantage does this give". It seems unfair to harp on this being a negative at directbet when two of the biggest books on US friendly sports have both used this rule at times during this current season. I think nothing but an asterisk (*) mentioning they use the far less common rule is needed on that one. It is an uncommon rule, but not unheard, certainly not universal as you mentioned many times. I say this because you have brought that up so many times in a negative, but on this one their rule is fair and just the lesser common one.

With the deadheat stuff, that is a big issue. I would sound the alarms on that one.

I had already posted that like 4 times.

Why would you list " W/O Djokovic" when not only were they on the same side of the draw, they played against each other and the match concluded? The ticket makes no sense and I can see why it confused the player.

I'm not sure when Pinny changed but they now grade same day. I'll take your word for the time frame on CRIS/Bookmaker. Currently, Pinny, Greek, 5Dimes, Bookmaker (just changed), Vegas and all other books that I know of in CR grade same day for the regular season. The rules are different during the playoffs.

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/help/betting-rules

This bet was not on which player will finish higher than Djokovic. It can't be such a bet because when you placed it Djokovic was already eliminated from the tournament and it was determined that Kei Nishikori will finish in a higher position.

I sent you a PM with further information and clarification.

You don't get it, do you?
You did not  bet on Nishikori to be higher in the ranking then Djockovic. You did bet on Nishikori to win the tournament without the participation of Djockovic.

graded!

Thanks guys!

when i bet.there are 2 bets.
first is winner odd 1.96 (there is no live at this bet)
and second is Winner W/O Djokovic 1.76 (there is live at this bet)
if my bet need  Kei Nishikori  win first place to win so this bet have odd not fair.
and there is not thing different between 2 bets WINNER AND  WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.
my bet is WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.Kei Nishikori  is second place till have higher place than Djokovic

Allow me to point to a peepsplace thread on the subject:

http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?t=429713

Besides the actual details of the complaint what you can see is that in July 2013 so we're talking mid baseball season (last season) the rules were:

Pinnacle:


BetCris:


So both Pinnacle and Bookmaker were using a rule other than the one you consider universal. Fwiw Tipico (largest in turkey) also has the same rule. Pinnacle and Bookmaker have changed their rules multiple times. It appears no one can decide how they want to handle those. Pinnacle has done it (changes) and stuck to what the rules were at the time bets were placed. Bookmaker seems to have changed them twice both in the middle dispute (second accusation of that). Now to be clear perhaps they settled the dispute and changed it. I don't know (this here isn't to accuse them - though was at bare minimum some low level support issues were had).

The point I'm trying to make is perhaps directbet has some to learn about bookmaking and rules, perhaps you as well in looking at rules and judging books off them. The baseball rule is a) fair, b) has been used at other sites - I mean was even the case at Pinnacle and Bookmaker - two large limit outs. This one is a pass. Yes DirectBet's version is the less common rule, but they are not alone. There are dozens of places action continues till when the game resumes. On that one I think you two should kiss and make up

Bookmaker is in CR. I didn't realize that the change was recent.

I defer to Europe and Asia for soccer but MLB is an American market and it would be nice if the bitcoin books conformed to the same rules. Scalpers would like it too.

Up until yesterday. Bookmaker's rules this season stated they held the bets for 7 days. They are in Costa Rica, no?

And

the online world is much bigger than Costa Rica and Vegas who are actually relatively small players in the grand scheme.

And

as long as the rule is consistent that one is fair.

I found the dead heat rule interesting too since it adds value to the dog. The push percentage is approximately 6% on NBA quarters.

I agree with most of what you have said except for the suspended rule in baseball. That rule is now universal with Vegas books and books in Costa Rica.

I'm not sure their rule but some books keep changing the suspended game rule on the fly. About a year ago there was a dispute with Bookmaker.eu because the first time this happened in a while they changed their rules specific to that game. In this case the bets carried over to the next day but wasn't what the rules said would happen. Then later they changed the rule again. It was a very valid complaint but SBR banned the poster and deleted the thread.  At the time was "don't worry it will work out for you next time". Well Bookmaker has altered their rules several times since and neither here nor there. Well this past week there was a game that restarted the next day. When the bet was made, till after it settled, till the player requested to talk to managers multiple times, Bookmakers rules clearly said that if the game is scheduled to resume within 7 days the bets stand (so they keep the bet pending up to 7 days if known will be replayed). This was shown both on their live wager rules and on their main baseball rules. A player has a dispute over a large sum. Guess what happens? Bookmaker alters the rule page and adds word playoffs to imply this only applies to playoff games. That is NOT how the rule read. By what was published on their website they owe a large payout.

Anyways Pinnacle has also had different rules at different times but were fair. Didn't change them after the fact. So point is, yes some sites do or had held bets up to 7 days (let alone 3) so that is far from universal. Secondly, bonus points to a site that is consistent with their rules on how that is handled as it is not standard. (it is a big world out there and bitcoin is global - nothing wrong with that baseball rule, and thus is not an issue.

The dead heat rule however is so unorthodox and something I never heard of before. It is also not fair. It doesn't just net out. The reason is because the push probabilities held are not equal on each side. It adds a new dynamic to handicapping where people always just cap push+win together. It's not one of those oh wow I didn't know okay next time I know and it was fair. Unless this is bold in red and a way players completely understand, I would call that one bordering on being a dishonest attempt to profit by including unorthodox rules. It is their business and they are free to do as they like, but would certainly view them negatively for doing that.

The odds were fine from what you posted. DirectBet is cloning lines from an exchange and adding lots of juice. That's why his hold is all over the place and they list lots of bets as "negotiate". When there are no offers at the exchange, it's "negotiate" at DirectBet.

Then he's mixing up the rules of an exchange with that of a sportsbook. Betfair had Nishikori as a future that was never taken down. As an individual game with a sportsbook where the betting is pregame and not "live betting", they have to list both players along with a date.

I think we all know the intent of the bet so that's not a big deal if the player agrees. DirectBet has a lot of cleaning up to do with their rules and tickets if they are working as a sportsbook.

No sportsbook takes a cut on pushes in the UFC and NBA quarters and halves. No sportsbook should have a 3 day rule in baseball during the regular season. Games are always settled same day even if suspended.

The odds closed -137 at ToteSport and BetFred (the online division of the 4th and 5th largest UK brick and mortars). It closed at -133 at Tipico (largest servicing turkey). At William Hill (largest in UK, Largest in USA) it was -137 hours before the match but closed -125. There was for sure better out there, a lot better. But Pinnacle had a 6 cent line on this match (-103 base) other bookies operate with vig. The odds were valid and similar to what many other sources had, and even better than those closers at major books I mentioned. The bet is valid. The terms are valid, the odds are correct. Not sure the issue here?