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Quote from: joker_josue on November 10, 2023, 04:47:11 PM

Do you think it would be considered plagiarism if:
I recompiled this list of posts, using an "open source" model, in the sense that anyone could replicate this list without being dependent on a single user?

As long as there is explanation of the recompilation, say, OP is not active anymore, not updated, etc., reference is also present, i don't think it's plagiarism.

Random question/suggestion: it would be better if there is an optional dispute to remove all the merits received of the OP if the content was deleted. Because in general term merit is given to quality post, and worth reading. If there's nothing to read, then it opposed to what merit is for.

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I've been thinking about this subject.

Do you think it would be considered plagiarism if:
I recompiled this list of posts, using an "open source" model, in the sense that anyone could replicate this list without being dependent on a single user?

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on November 09, 2023, 01:14:57 AM

Quote from: yhiaali3 on November 08, 2023, 11:23:58 PM

Yes, unfortunately, this thread was deleted by Ratimov himself, and no one knows the real reasons yet since Ratimov himself did not respond to this thread to explain his reasons.

Have you heard of the term "bruised ego"? This is exactly what affects at this time a person who has deleted his own topics that were previously considered useful (according to users). Have you witnessed the drama discussed in the reputation section? If not, then read on to understand the reason for the behavior of a person who deletes all his topics.
What has recently been discovered by users as the disappearance of topics only proves that one cannot blindly trust those who position themselves as people who give their soul to the forum. Take responsibility for finding information on your own, which is abundant on the Internet, and do not trust those who create self-moderated topics. Sometimes, adults return to childhood and destroy their sand houses, so others do not get them.

Honestly, I've never heard the term "bruised ego" before, although I expect I understand what it means, so thanks for letting me know.

I don't visit the reputation board regularly, so I wasn't aware of what happened there. I was surprised that this was not the first time that Ratimov had deleted his topics, and I saw the members' reactions, most of which were angry at these actions.

Whether these actions, as described by the members there, are childish or evil or psychological acts, I believe that the forum administration has the right in such cases to restore deleted topics, because the materials published on the forum become the intellectual property of the forum and the administration has the right to dispose of them.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on November 08, 2023, 02:20:03 PM

Of course. He managed for years to steal the intellectual property of many authors, why couldn't he do whatever he wants with his intellectual property (assuming that was his intellectual property)?

This is shocking if it is becoming true. I have seen such a thread linking Ratimov to plagerism. I didn't pay much attention to the thread. I have thought it was a mere trolling. This could be the right time to pay attention to the reputation threads.

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 08, 2023, 03:43:52 PM

This isn’t a topic for meta,

I think it is a meta topic. If someone feels they discovered a system error in the forum, meta is the right place to discuss it.

Quote from: robelneo on November 08, 2023, 05:56:06 PM

... someone should really create a thread like that as a reference for the community to use, we have a lot of users who are capable of duplicating the information on that thread and add fresh inputs, this is serious work but it can be done again.

Should the interest be creating a topic like that by someone else or knowing the reason the one created was deleted.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on November 09, 2023, 01:14:57 AM

Quote from: yhiaali3 on November 08, 2023, 11:23:58 PM

Yes, unfortunately, this thread was deleted by Ratimov himself, and no one knows the real reasons yet since Ratimov himself did not respond to this thread to explain his reasons.

Have you heard of the term "bruised ego"?

Who bruised the ego? Forum members or admin or moderators.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on November 09, 2023, 01:14:57 AM

Take responsibility for finding information on your own, which is abundant on the Internet, and do not trust those who create self-moderated topics. Sometimes, adults return to childhood and destroy their sand houses, so others do not get them.

I am even surprised that such a great thread was self moderated. Even at that, anyone can delete their own posts even if not self moderated.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 08, 2023, 03:09:07 PM

Quote from: cafter on November 08, 2023, 05:11:55 AM

I wanted to visit Ratimov's encyclopedia but I found this error:

How can you call that an error? You should know that it was an edited post where the OP deleted the entire topic, and if you really read that thread, you can see that some parts of the topic were being quoted in some comments. You can decide to edit your topic and delete everything, leaving it blank, but you can't delete the comments of other members. That's why you are seeing a blank page because the OP, edited and delete everything he wrote.

It's like this is no more about the action on what experienced from the encyclopedia content rather than himself not knowing what that should mean after being on the forum for a while and yet not knowing how a post can be edited out, someone can do this for any reason being personal to him since he's the OP to that thread, just as you can also make a post and fo ahead to edit, but ninjastic thread has the record of everything and can fish them out for you.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 09, 2023, 04:10:06 AM

And speaking of which, pretty much every old guide from a few years ago has been absolutely ravaged by image errors and also buried in search results too. Somebody's gotta collect all this stuff and store it in an easily accessible archive like Bitcoin Wiki (yes, it's cliche, I know) where it will not break randomly.

What was your specific idea? We already know that if the OP doesn't edit these images, there isn't much that can be done.

But, honestly, just as I had the idea of creating TalkImg to avoid these types of problems, I'm seriously starting to think about something that could minimize these situations a little. Of course I don't want to "plagiarize", but to do something for these lost. Of course I don't want to "plagiarize", but to do something to counter these losses.

So, what did you have in mind?

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Quote from: joker_josue on November 08, 2023, 03:44:28 PM

It's a shame... it was an excellent compilation of information. Maybe someone might be interested in restarting the work done by that user.

We always have ninjastic.space to help us locate this information so it doesn't get lost forever.

And loyce.club.

And speaking of which, pretty much every old guide from a few years ago has been absolutely ravaged by image errors and also buried in search results too. Somebody's gotta collect all this stuff and store it in an easily accessible archive like Bitcoin Wiki (yes, it's cliche, I know) where it will not break randomly.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on November 08, 2023, 11:23:58 PM

Yes, unfortunately, this thread was deleted by Ratimov himself, and no one knows the real reasons yet since Ratimov himself did not respond to this thread to explain his reasons.

Have you heard of the term "bruised ego"? This is exactly what affects at this time a person who has deleted his own topics that were previously considered useful (according to users). Have you witnessed the drama discussed in the reputation section? If not, then read on to understand the reason for the behavior of a person who deletes all his topics.
What has recently been discovered by users as the disappearance of topics only proves that one cannot blindly trust those who position themselves as people who give their soul to the forum. Take responsibility for finding information on your own, which is abundant on the Internet, and do not trust those who create self-moderated topics. Sometimes, adults return to childhood and destroy their sand houses, so others do not get them.

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Quote from: Zoomic on November 08, 2023, 01:50:46 PM

There's something I need to understand. Was this topic deleted by Ratimov himself? I mean the famous Beginners and Help Encyclopaedia? That topic is too good to be deleted by the autor. The information therein is superb. I mean, what must have prompted the deletion of the thread? Could it be because the thread was not pinned by theymos or something relating to that.

Yes, unfortunately, this thread was deleted by Ratimov himself, and no one knows the real reasons yet since Ratimov himself did not respond to this thread to explain his reasons.

In any case, it is really unfortunate that this exciting encyclopedia, which was very helpful and useful to beginners, has been deleted. Nothing can be done about that because this is Ratimov’s intellectual property and he has the freedom to dispose of it, but fortunately it can still be accessed through ninjastic.space.

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Quote from: Halab on November 08, 2023, 09:03:17 AM

There is a '.' in the message body:

But for the title, there is a trick I don't know. I see it as empty, and that's not normally possible.

Oh well, now I see there's a tiny dot.

Are you sure if the @OP was the one who edit it? because he mostly change his title and message using few characters.

Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on November 08, 2023, 03:11:59 PM

I hope his account is not being used by any other person, because this behaviour is really worrying as he is an asset to this bitcointalk community as he came up with a lot of good topics and compilations of different topics like his encyclopaedia topic, etc.

Signs of changed hands:
1. Change email and password.
2. Using different language and sudden quality post change.
3. He ask the campaign manager to change his address.

There's not even one sign in his account, which mean there's no way his account is changed hands.

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The compilation of information on that thread is worth a lot and a big help for the community you don't get this number of merits if it's not, someone should really create a thread like that as a reference for the community to use, we have a lot of users who are capable of duplicating the information on that thread and add fresh inputs, this is serious work but it can be done again.

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It's a shame... it was an excellent compilation of information. Maybe someone might be interested in restarting the work done by that user.

We always have ninjastic.space to help us locate this information so it doesn't get lost forever.

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This isn’t a topic for meta, you should know quite well that what you experienced wasn’t a glitch in the forum system. It’s obvious the OP made some modifications to the thread, you can see the OP was last edited in November 6, so what’s the confusion about? There are already a couple of threads on reputation regarding Ratimov recent activities. If you have something to say about Ratimov, you should say it in any one of those threads.

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Quote from: _act_ on November 08, 2023, 05:14:56 AM

Ratimov edited it and changed it to what you are seeing, it is not an error. Ratimov behavior these days is worrying and not appropriate. That is one of his self-moderated thread, I will not be surprised if he deletes all posts on the thread as has been doing to people recently.

I have also observed that, like in the recent case in which he deleted his replies, another member's post got merged as one, and after asking, that member has to face some difficulty too. Of course, merging reduced the number of posts to 1, which is also a loss in terms of signature count.

I hope his account is not being used by any other person, because this behaviour is really worrying as he is an asset to this bitcointalk community as he came up with a lot of good topics and compilations of different topics like his encyclopaedia topic, etc.

And you are right, it is not an error as the OP can change the title whenever he is making the reply under a post. Even the member can change the title of the post other than the OP's one, but in this case, the post is the original one, so it can only be changed by the OP, so I don't know what the reasoning behind it is. Maybe he doesn't like the title and wants to change it.

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Quote from: cafter on November 08, 2023, 05:11:55 AM

I wanted to visit Ratimov's encyclopedia but I found this error:

How can you call that an error? You should know that it was an edited post where the OP deleted the entire topic, and if you really read that thread, you can see that some parts of the topic were being quoted in some comments. You can decide to edit your topic and delete everything, leaving it blank, but you can't delete the comments of other members. That's why you are seeing a blank page because the OP, edited and delete everything he wrote.

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Quote from: cafter on November 08, 2023, 05:11:55 AM

I wanted to visit Ratimov's encyclopedia but I found this error:

here the whole content of the thread and it's title is missing from bitcointalk website and on browser tab too.
I pasted encyclopedia's address to other browser but facing same issue there. I don't know if it is forum related or something else.

Like everyone else said, that's not an error but a conscious decision by the OP of the thread. We can blank our own threads but we can't delete them ourselves and if I'm not wrong then only moderators are allowed to delete the threads of a user. In the above case the OP erased his post because he might have thought that it isn't needed anymore.

I don't know what's going on but I have seen many members of the forum find the actions of Ratimov unacceptable. I don't know what's the matter but I think Ratimov is among the reputed members of the forum. But, I'm not here to take anyone's side and would love to stay away from any clashes that are taking between some members.

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Quote from: Zoomic on November 08, 2023, 01:50:46 PM

There's something I need to understand.

For understanding you could just read the replies made inside this topic.

Quote from: Zoomic on November 08, 2023, 01:50:46 PM

Was this topic deleted by Ratimov himself?

Your answer is here.

Quote from: Zoomic on November 08, 2023, 01:50:46 PM

Well, it is the intellectual property of Ratimov, maybe he has the power to do whatever he wishes with it.

Of course. He managed for years to steal the intellectual property of many authors, why couldn't he do whatever he wants with his intellectual property (assuming that was his intellectual property)?

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Quote from: cafter on November 08, 2023, 05:11:55 AM

I wanted to visit Ratimov's encyclopedia but I found this error:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5364418

here the whole content of the thread and it's title is missing from bitcointalk website and on browser tab too.
I pasted encyclopedia's address to other browser but facing same issue there. I don't know if it is forum related or something else.

There's something I need to understand. Was this topic deleted by Ratimov himself? I mean the famous Beginners and Help Encyclopaedia? That topic is too good to be deleted by the autor. The information therein is superb. I mean, what must have prompted the deletion of the thread? Could it be because the thread was not pinned by theymos or something relating to that.

Something extraordinary must have happened. I do not believe that anyone could put such an effort to create that kind of topic and out of vexation deletes everything. This shouldn't be accepted. I think the admin has the power to restore such a topic. Well, it is the intellectual property of Ratimov, maybe he has the power to do whatever he wishes with it.

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Quote from: cafter on November 08, 2023, 09:17:45 AM

if the post is edited then why ninjastic.space shows this "No edit history was found for this post."

does ninjastic doesn't count or index updated posts with small dots?... or something?

Because ninjastic doesn't check edits after a certain period of time.

Quote from: TryNinja on September 03, 2023, 11:21:22 AM

My bot scrapes every post two times: once when it is posted and another time after 5 minutes. If the post was edited at that point, after the first 5 minutes, the changes will show up on the edit history. That’s it.

If you edit a post 10 times, or edit a post after 1 day, 7 days, … there is no way for me (and my bot) to know since keeping track of every change is impossible.

Tryninja would have to have a hell of a lot of computing power to check all the bitcointalk posts all the time.

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Quote from: Halab on November 08, 2023, 09:03:17 AM

Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 08, 2023, 05:37:00 AM

Anyone can edit the subject and the post, but you can't leave it "blank" without any character. You can try by yourself to edit your thread in archival, you will receive an error message.

There is a '.' in the message body:

Code:

[quote author=Ratimov link=topic=5364418.msg58120908#msg58120908 date=1633603569]
[size=1pt].[/size]
[/quote]

But for the title, there is a trick I don't know. I see it as empty, and that's not normally possible.

if the post is edited then why ninjastic.space shows this "No edit history was found for this post."

does ninjastic doesn't count or index updated posts with small dots?... or something?

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 08, 2023, 05:37:00 AM

Anyone can edit the subject and the post, but you can't leave it "blank" without any character. You can try by yourself to edit your thread in archival, you will receive an error message.

There is a '.' in the message body:

Code:

[quote author=Ratimov link=topic=5364418.msg58120908#msg58120908 date=1633603569]
[size=1pt].[/size]
[/quote]

But for the title, there is a trick I don't know. I see it as empty, and that's not normally possible.

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Quote from: cafter on November 08, 2023, 05:11:55 AM

I wanted to visit Ratimov's encyclopedia but I found this error

That's no error.

It's just Ratimov's futile attempt of covering his plagiarism from the past, when he deleted 78 topics, by fooling Russian mods and transforming them in his personal garbage men.

For more detail you can also read this topic.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on November 08, 2023, 05:42:37 AM

Quote from: Cantsay on November 08, 2023, 05:15:00 AM

I just checked ninjastic.spce to see if it will show the difference but I could get any.

It's fine to me even if it loads slowly maybe you're just too excited let it load for a while.

I was trying to see if it will show the difference between when it was edited and when it was not so that the op could see for himself; I was not referring to the entire thread not displaying in ninjastic seems like you guess misunderstood my post.

Take for example, the op you’ll see that there is a “ Content was edited[difference]” option but it’s not for Ratimov’s own despite been edited.

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Quote from: cafter on November 08, 2023, 05:11:55 AM

here the whole content of the thread and it's title is missing from bitcointalk website and on browser tab too.
I pasted encyclopedia's address to other browser but facing same issue there. I don't know if it is forum related or something else.

That's not an error; the post was edited by the OP himself/herself "Last edit: November 06, 2023, 08:40:00 PM by Ratimov," and they intentionally cleared out all their posts.

Such topics were treasures on their own, and you can see theymos also merited the topic with 50 merit; that's how valuable it was. But still, it's the choice of the poster, since the Bitcointalk forum allows you to delete or edit any of your topics/posts. So I guess there's nothing wrong here, just sad that we lost a good informational post.

As other users suggested, you can view the old post on ninjastic.space, but for now, it's not on Bitcointalk anymore.

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I don't see any error from the image you pointed to but it shows edited November 6. He might just edit and erase them all for some reason.

Quote from: Cantsay on November 08, 2023, 05:15:00 AM

If you check the thread you’ll see that it was last edited November 6th so my take is that everything was edited out of the thread, so it’s not just an error on your end.

Edit:

I just checked ninjastic.spce to see if it will show the difference but I could get any.

It's fine to me even if it loads slowly maybe you're just too excited let it load for a while.

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No one give a correct answer so far.

@OP that's not error, but it's because theymos restored the thread.

Quote from: theymos on October 30, 2023, 03:55:23 PM

I see no evidence of misconduct, though it was incorrect to delete topics with substantial replies. All of the deleted topics with replies have been restored to Archival.

Anyone can edit the subject and the post, but you can't leave it "blank" without any character. You can try by yourself to edit your thread in archival, you will receive an error message.

Quote

No subject was filled in.
The message body was left empty.

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I don't think that it's a forum issue or error. Maybe the op edited his topic.
However I visited Ninja Space and saw no edit status or history showing.
Here is the archived link below of this topic
https://ninjastic.space/post/58120908

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Is this even a serious thread. You are in the forum for almost a year and you do not know what to take when you see such topics? I think you missed to read this thread.

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Quote from: Cantsay on November 08, 2023, 05:15:00 AM

I just checked ninjastic.spce to see if it will show the difference but I could get any.

No it wouldn’t show a difference the post will still be there, once you search topic using the topic ID you would find it there, I think it is just like what happens to delete posts which can still be seen there, if a post is edited both new one and the edited one will be there.
OP here is a link to the thread you can check for what you want here https://ninjastic.space/topic/5364418.0

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If you check the thread you’ll see that it was last edited November 6th so my take is that everything was edited out of the thread, so it’s not just an error on your end.

Edit:

I just checked ninjastic.spce to see if it will show the difference but I could get any.

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Ratimov edited it and changed it to what you are seeing, it is not an error. Ratimov behavior these days is worrying and not appropriate. That is one of his self-moderated thread, I will not be surprised if he deletes all posts on the thread as has been doing to people recently.

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I wanted to visit Ratimov's encyclopedia but I found this error:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5364418

here the whole content of the thread and it's title is missing from bitcointalk website and on browser tab too.
I pasted encyclopedia's address to other browser but facing same issue there. I don't know if it is forum related or something else.

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