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Topic: Discussion thread for my upcoming German property auction. (Read 5654 times)

elm
legendary
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I thought house auctions are illegal. is it now legal because BTC was involved?

auctions of real estate are illegal?  you mean getting the highest bid for your property and accepting it is illegal?  how do banks liquidate property from bankrupt companies and individuals???

do you live in the twilight zone???

sorry You absolutely right it was my mistake. I meant to raffle a real estate/house if this is legal with BTC? because it is illegal with fiat

cheers

I've seen some house raffles like the 'buy a brick' raffles in the UK, seem to be legal to me.

yes for the UK and there are some offshore countries but in general it is illegal and there could be the chance to use BTC and do a nice real estate raffle.

maybe some one here can tell us if it would be legal to do a house/real estate raffle with BTC

sr. member
Activity: 373
Merit: 250
I thought house auctions are illegal. is it now legal because BTC was involved?

auctions of real estate are illegal?  you mean getting the highest bid for your property and accepting it is illegal?  how do banks liquidate property from bankrupt companies and individuals???

do you live in the twilight zone???

sorry You absolutely right it was my mistake. I meant to raffle a real estate/house if this is legal with BTC? because it is illegal with fiat

cheers

I've seen some house raffles like the 'buy a brick' raffles in the UK, seem to be legal to me.
elm
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
I thought house auctions are illegal. is it now legal because BTC was involved?

auctions of real estate are illegal?  you mean getting the highest bid for your property and accepting it is illegal?  how do banks liquidate property from bankrupt companies and individuals???

do you live in the twilight zone???

sorry You absolutely right it was my mistake. I meant to raffle a real estate/house if this is legal with BTC? because it is illegal with fiat

cheers
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1010
he who has the gold makes the rules
I thought house auctions are illegal. is it now legal because BTC was involved?

auctions of real estate are illegal?  you mean getting the highest bid for your property and accepting it is illegal?  how do banks liquidate property from bankrupt companies and individuals???

do you live in the twilight zone???
elm
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
I thought house auctions are illegal. is it now legal because BTC was involved?
sr. member
Activity: 373
Merit: 250
is this auction over yet so i can make fun of the seller?

Yes, the deal is done, so crack on. Thanks for waiting.

You actually have an honourable mention in my current auction;

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/and-now-for-something-completely-different-smurfs-229471

and are welcome to go at it there as well.
full member
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welcome to riches
is this auction over yet so i can make fun of the seller?
full member
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Now they are thinking what to do with me
Will be encouraging the winner to keep people publicly updated of the progress so people can build confidence and trust.
staff
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Yeah, I was just wondering, I didn't think meeting each other was actually needed.

I hope you get more than 4.6 BTC. The land seems to have potential.
sr. member
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Could you explain in detail of how the process would go if won?

Like, meeting in person, how long it would take etc.




Hi Welshy,

Looks Like Jobe pretty much covered it for me; however I might be back in the UK sometime in the near future if a meet was required. But the paperwork is pretty simple- I will guide whoever wins through it.
full member
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Now they are thinking what to do with me
Could you explain in detail of how the process would go if won?

Like, meeting in person, how long it would take etc.


Most of it is at the bottom of the Auction thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/house-in-germany-for-1btc-no-reserve-222896) but I've linked it below for you, please note that escrow is not essentially needed, as the winner can transfer the Bitcoins whilst at the actual house and signing the documents if so desired. Escrow is offered because of previous complaints/desire for an escrow. If you want to meet Bitcoin_Bob in person (assuming to conduct the sale) then you'll have to discuss that with him, keep in mind that he lives in Canada.

As to how long the process would take .. depends on how the winner goes about it, if they want to visit the house, just do everything via lawyer, use an escrow, visit Bitcoin_Bob, etc, etc, I'm going to throw out a wild guess and say a couple of weeks, though, ye, heavily depending on the wishes of the winner of the auction.

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If you win:

1. On bid acceptance, you must send a deposit of 500 Euros to the notary in Germany, or the equivalent BTC to the escrow.

2. On confirmation of the deposit, a ‘purchase agreement’ is sent to you signed to show I accept your bid. You then sign the agreement to say you legally agree to buy the house.

3. You then post the original (of the agreement) to the notary and send a copy to me. You will also need to sign a ‘POA’ for the notary to act on your behalf, at your local German consul, or go to Germany. I suggest you check where the nearest German consul is before getting too involved here. If you are not prepared to travel to your nearest local German consul then this auction is not for you.

4. The deal is now legal, the notary will begin the transfer of the title. You will pay the owed funds in BTC to the escrow.

5. We will send a certificate of ‘all payments received’ to the escrow, signed and notarized. This document, when given to the German notary, is irrevocable proof that you have paid for the property and we will have no way whatsoever after that and the purchase and sale agreement has been given to the notary, to prevent the property being registered in your name.

6. The escrow transfer the funds to the seller (us) and sends the certificate of payment received, via registered email, at the same time.

Viewing
If you wish to view the property then please contact me with your name, method of travel and photo ID and I will authorize you to visit and tell the local police and neighbours you are going to be there. This will prevent your arrest. Any damage done by any visitors will be reported as criminal damage.

Taxes-120 euros a year.

 Legal fees 500 euros plus aprox 7% of the total purchase price declared for transfer tax and notary fees.

 Publicity Upon winning the auction

with the winners agreement, I will keep people updated on how the sale is going via this thread. This is to show as much transparency as possible and to show that deals like this can really happen with Bitcoin. I will ask any interested press to respect the winners privacy, unless the winner is interested in press publicity, I am happy to give a statement myself pre-completion, after that, statements may require the winners agreement.
staff
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Could you explain in detail of how the process would go if won?

Like, meeting in person, how long it would take etc.


newbie
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Can you post proof of ownership like a title or deed?
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Now they are thinking what to do with me
Do you have a "buy it now" opt? I am very interested in this property. Would like to discuss more privately if you don't mind.

The auction is open (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/house-in-germany-for-1btc-no-reserve-222896), try to keep bids in public view as much as possible so that everyone can see whats happening.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Do you have a "buy it now" opt? I am very interested in this property. Would like to discuss more privately if you don't mind.

If you are talking about the German Property he has a buyout option. The buyout is set at 100BTC
member
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Do you have a "buy it now" opt? I am very interested in this property. Would like to discuss more privately if you don't mind.
sr. member
Activity: 373
Merit: 250

I'd be interested in bidding in a French estate.

I'll see how many chateaus and champagne vineyards I call pull out my hat for you then Smiley

Failing that I do have a small farm with just over 1.5 acres of land that I might auction off.
full member
Activity: 238
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Now they are thinking what to do with me
Just to add about concerns of pictures of the internal side of the house;

I've discussed with Bitcoin_Bob and the house should be considered a shell, and that bidders should consider only the land. If you were to buy the land/property it would probably be in your best interest to knock the shell down and build upon the land whatever you wished. Keep in mind that even with that thought, the property is very cheap for this auction.

An investment, or if you're a builder (or can hire builders) a likely very profitable investment (whether for resell or for living).

Assuming this auction goes well, I will talk with Bitcoin_Bob about arranging a 'Auctions to come' list.
newbie
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bob - can an american buy the house?

also - what are the annual costs if you buy the house and do nothing?

i'd like to buy it but probably won't get around to tinkering for a couple years...

Yes Americans can buy the house its actually a really easy process. The annual costs are about 200 bucks a year because the house in not inhabited.

I'd be interested in bidding in a French estate.
sr. member
Activity: 373
Merit: 250
bob - can an american buy the house?

also - what are the annual costs if you buy the house and do nothing?

i'd like to buy it but probably won't get around to tinkering for a couple years...

Yes Americans can buy the house its actually a really easy process. The annual costs are about 200 bucks a year because the house in not inhabited.
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