Topic: Discussion: Who is going to fill the gap of Chipmixer by the end of year 2023? (Read 473 times)

With how they brand themselves here in Bitcointalk they could have gone promoting their platform here for a very long time, their signature campaign is every poster's aspirations here in Bitcoin, if you're part of the campaign you are considered part of the elite.

That innovation will stay and have been will be adopted by other mixing platforms there will be more coming soon the
the gap is up for grabs

Maybe with all the new mixing coming up one of them will come out with a new innovation to break the competition in their favor.

^^ The no-fee (or PWYW model as I recall it being referenced) was fresh, but the way they broke the time-chronology of coins with various denominated non-input-linked chips was rather what I thought was the thing that really broke the mould. If you recall they came out of the ashes of the then-dominant mixer and every rival since still stuck to the old model (output = combination of input - fee).

Chipmixer never required to pay a fees.
After one confirmation you can withdraw your chip and without worrying about your mix can be discovered.

Idea that established 6 years ago is still fresh but unfortunately no other mixer was able to adopt this idea.

It's still unbelievable to me that Chipmixer was so dominant, so everyone else had an almost negligible share in this market. At least judging by the signature campaigns.
You are right when you say that trust is the most important segment here, and that requires more than a minimum of a year of almost flawless work.

When we talk about the implementation of something new, it seems that we are quite far from there, even with the method that the [banned mixer] service offers.

Trust, really. It's the only thing. One way you can build with reputation and longevity. CM did perhaps get accelerated recognition -- really smart actually, by simply aligning itself with reputable members and campaign managers.

But I think people overlook that they introduced an innovation that hadn't been thought of in years.

6 years later and no mixer's come up with something new (feel free to prove me wrong, I would love to know).

The sudden appearance of Whirlwind makes it somewhat suspicious. The mixer that will last longer is the one that has some chipmixer team behind it. This is just a product of my imagination and it is possible since mixer doesn't require any kind of legal registration. Who will know the team behind the project?
There's time and season for everything and this time around is for mixers and they will reign for a certain period of time since their best who monopolised the market is no longer there

In my opinion, ChipMixer gave a very good outline as to how to create a similar concept and I have expressed in another post that I don't doubt that it could be replicated if someone wanted to do that...The initial amount in the mixing pool does not need to be extravagant, ChipMixer held over 1900 BTC that was amassed over many years by many users and the same would probably occur over the years for another platform taking the same approach. I don't think that's the main issue of success. I believe that the main issue is the risk of handling the infrastructure required to be able to run an app like this while keeping peace of mind that it can all run smoothly without interruption or seizure. Can the hole of ChipMixer be filled? Probably, yes. Will it be filled? That all depends on who has the money and the confidence to do so. I doubt there is anyone out there at this point.


The same sort of thing has happened with the appearance of Whirlwind after the closure of ChipMixer. I wonder if this is the market filling the gap quickly or if its not a coincidence considering that a similar thing happened when BitMixer closed and ChipMixer appeared.

All mixer companies want to be the best and they do it in forums as marketing to continue to be introduced but this is indeed undeniable if one of them wants to dominate the market that Chipmixer has left behind, I think mixers are active now and some of them will offset and none of the highest to dominate the market basically they do simultaneously in the forums for the purpose of attracting its customers.

More than 5+ mixers are now active with the aim of advertising signature campaigns and with various payments but it's possible that if one or all of these 5+ mixers can last longer in their signature campaigns then of course it means they have managed to dominate the market simultaneously.

But we don't know whether later there will be the same case or it will still persist, of course we hope that all will be well.

Not everyone needs to know everything

From my perspective, companies which will manage their activity wisely have most chances to survive on the market. Meaning those which will not make useless and inefficient expenses and which will be also resilient.


I have no idea why OP mentioned Foxpup here. Why would Foxpup need a mixer? Besides, that "he" is totally wrong. Recently she offered undeniable evidence for her gender, so where is that "he" coming from?

I think the faith of mixers in the future is being foreseen after one popular mixer in the past which was bitmixer.io was also held by the authorities.

It's overwhelming to see the other mixers come into the game when they've for surely seen the news that the toughest competitor is out.

I guess that this is good that there have been new sets of competition for mixers because this will push all of them to the best that they can aside from the fact that whoever stays longer with their marketing budgets and campaigns will be more recognized.

Yes, there is a clear race in the forum to fill the gap left by Chipmixer. I see that closing Chipmixer has corrected the market situation because, in my opinion, it is not good for any company to take over the entire market, because this is a kind of centralization that we all hate.

Now there is Sinbad, Coinomize, Yo!Mix, whirlwind all good mixers that can get a lot of market share, it would be better to divide the market among several mixers and not one mixer.

The high payout and the duration of the campaign on the forum will play a big role in determining which blender will get the lion's share of the market.

It doesn't seem to me that any of the mixers will be able to reach the popularity that CM had, not only because of their business policy (no mandatory fee and chip service), but also because of their generosity when it came to the signature campaign with the undeniable fact that they had the best business model in that regard (max number of posts and campaign conditions).

But whoever imposes himself as number one in this business will surely end up the same as CM, because the hunters have caught their prey and they smell blood, the hunt continues.

Before Chipmixer, there was BITMIXER.IO, which was more popular than Chipmixer, but suddenly they decided to stop, and suddenly Chipmixer appeared.
Most of those here may not have seen those days but that Mixer was very popular.
Therefore, the issue of replacing Chipmixer is a matter of time, but the problem lies in the government's behavior. Will they worry voluntarily or will they be siezed?
Will they continue to advertise in the forum, or will mixer campaigns be banned?

It takes time for someone to replace chipmixer and I dont think it is going to be one winner who will replace them, maybe we are going to have two or three good mixers.
Danger is that new suspicious mixers can scam users, other mixers can again be seized by regulators, so they all need to really improve and work on security.
Perfect situation for mixers is to have some part that is decentralized, so that it is harder to bring them down and scam users.

Is it about the highest-paying mixer in the signature campaign or the campaign that can keep up, it's hard to tell this early, all these mixers' promotions started when Chipmixer folded, so we will only know after 6 months, and who can keep up, who will lower their pay rate, who will increase their pay rate or who will expand their list of participants this is just to prove that there is a market for mixing and Bitcointalk is the best place to advertise it through a signature campaign.
I would like to ask OP why there is no poll for this when we have options to choose from.

I am believing that there will a mixer that will come and take over from Chipmixer but as for now it is whirlwind.money, it is the highest paid mixer in the forum now. The competition in for for now is very high and as it is said by Baofeng Mixero, Sinbad, Yo!Mix and Coinomize and another one just come and join them which is [banned mixer] and when you look at all these mixers expect whirlwind.money, Mix Tum. io is the next to it.
Let's wait and see the next mixer that is coming to take over from Chipmixer and if there is none then whirlwind.money will take over and seconded by Mix Tum. This days the forum is really hot with Mixers, they have over taken the casinos companies. Participants are confused. The next one that is coming might not even reach any of these ones that have mentioned. Sinbad is another Sr. Mixer that is in the forum.

Just like when  Bitmixer.io closes it's door in 2017, Chipmixer comes along and become the top mixing services not just in this community. And it seems that history will repeat itself, as we have a lot of tumblers that suddenly pops up as a result of Chipmixer being seized.

But as far as the question goes, it's really hard to say this early. There could be another one next year that will take over, who knows. And so far the competition is, currently it's between Mixero, Sinbad, Yo!Mix and Coinomize. But yeah, the more competition the better, they have to improved their services to cater to us and maybe we will see new innovation just like what Chipmixer did in 2017.

If I had to guess it'd be the newer campaigns that would be the most likely to dry up. So in that sense Sinbad, Yo!Mix and Coinomize are probably safe bets to continue long-term, maybe even Mixero, but this one is probably more dependant on how successful the signature campaign is since the fall of ChipMixer. As for Whirlwind, MixTum and UniJoin that are all new, we will have to see how it plays in long-term. My guess is not all will continue their campaigns, and this will be dependant on marketing budget vs usage of mixers. Ultimately the more mixers there are, the less each one individually will be used in my opinion.


It'd be interesting to know what these things are, but I imagine these are factors that aren't intended to be public knowledge 


Very true. I never trusted the quasi-monopoly that ChipMixer had on this forum to be honest, it always seemed like a single/centralised point of failure, even if that statement isn't entirely accurate.

Now there is a handful of different options it seems a lot healthier at least. More effort for LE to target them as it'd require more investigations, and they only have so many investigators/cases, so more likely they'd target only 1 or 2 - the ones that are considered to have some weak link or thread of intelligence to tug on - which means there will already be enough competition to continue without much negative effect.

Really hard to say about which of them will fill the gap on Chipmixers absence while there are so many new pop up and introduce their new mixers launched. Maybe for now we can't say which of them are best to use since they are earning their reputation and do some cool marketing but for sure in span of years if one of them exist for long time then it indicates that they are the best option to use by people who frequently use mixers services.

This is a speculative issue and, obviously, a priori we cannot know for sure. However, in the options you give I think you are overlooking one aspect, and that is that it doesn't have to be just one that takes the field. CM's market share could be divided among the various mixers that are currently in vogue.


I agree. Although what is good for us does not necessarily have to coincide with what ends up happening, but a priori we cannot exclude the possibility of the CM gap being filled by several mixers instead of just one as implied by the OP.

All new mixers right now will try to establish their reputation and their presence because there is a market to fill as the top player is out of the business, all three points that you laid out are attainable by all the current new mixers its good that there is competition in the mixing services so they can offer the best possible service and it will take time before one emerges as the new Chipmixer in the history, I'm supporting Yomix to be the top replacement or option to fill the gap Chipmixer left in the mixing industry.

IMO the one that doesn't face a strong opposition from the regulators. At this point it's not that difficult to make or advertise a mixing service if you have any idea of how to approach it but the problem is keeping it running without problems. Some torrent sites were raided and shut down but others like 1337.to keep running for years and they just switch domains when one gets blocked. If the mixing service manages to stay alive for a year or two it's going to be popular and profitable. That's the way I see it.

It's no different with crypto exchanges. You don't scam and you don't get yourself arrested for a few years and you're going to have a popular business worth a lot of money.


Competition is always good, be it school, sport, business...

Your options are bordering around who would replace chipmixer signature campaign on the forum and not as a mixer. We only get exposed to 'bitcointalk' related marketing budget and not the budget of the entire project on every website and this is not indication of the wealth depth of the platform.

Budget and cash flow is just one aspect of a project, things to consider for a mixing platform involves ease of use and navigation, reliability, reputation, mode of transactions. All of these and more would influence the choice of a mixer and we would not only have one which dominates the niche, more than one can thrive at the same time

Regardless of whatever marketing campaign they started with, I guess no one will make it unless they are engaged in the forum and take feedback, and suggestions to improve their quality to ensure better privacy. I haven't used either of the mixers but it seems someone is trying to dominate & you know which one I mean. They are actively engaging with the community, feedbacks are good as well. So, I guess they are going to take over the place.

I'm crawling in the mixers pool for over 6 years now, so I can think out of the box.
The amount spend to promote their service is not something I consider. What we see is Chipmixer leaved the market and there is a big audience to take. Hence the few marketing campaigns you see lately, but it will stop soon. Give it a few weeks

I know and I see some things people are not aware.
I have convictions so and I know I'm right because I'm not the only one

I'm saying it again. More mixers appear, better it is for each of us. We don't need 1 or 2 mixers dominating the market and a few satellites around.

What is clear is that mixing services are now increasing after the Chpmixer was confiscated, maybe for that we will never know because there is no accurate data whether this mixing service is profitable for people who want to remain privacy or they just want to increase the stability of the Chipmixer collapsing of course from other mixing will try to take the best position and after a long time they act they will be widely known and that is their advantage.

Currently only Sinbad is running long enough at 23 weeks while the others are still going to keep on trying for longer but we don't know how many years this campaign will last as Chipmixer was able to sustain almost 5 plus years with very high payouts.

Currently the mixing campaign is increasing their payouts such as Unijoin also increasing its perpost payout to 0.00012/btc from only 0.0001/btc, MixTum gives participants who have earned 1000 merits a 20% weekly bonus, YoMix adds bonuses to 3 quality posters and looks like there will still be a lot of changes going forward depending on how they will improve it.

SinBad has a slight change in rate announced by Royese777.

📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝

I think that thread is also enough to talk about signature campaigns.

No one can know how many people use these services and whether the mixer was profitable or not? Are they really looking for profits or are they running a money laundering service and therefore the discussion on the subject is useless.

The thing we can discuss is the continuity of signature campaigns related to mixing services during this year. Right now we have:
Unijoin, MixTum, Sinbad, Coinomize, Yo!Mix, but which of these campaigns will last until the end of the year or, for example, the 100th week or the 200th week?

It would be helpful if someone generated a topic about the average duration of mixer signature campaigns and the probability that those campaigns will continue after the 10th week.

As for privacy, I personally see that most people here do not care about it in exchange for profits.

Right now there's a marketing competition here in Bitcointalk, but it will go down to longevity and good feedback, people who are continuous users of Mixers will try out all the new mixers in the market right now they may retain 2 or 3 mixers which can give them the best experience but it will take a few months to see who can fill the gap of what Chipmixers left, and if the authorities will slow down or stop persecuting these mixers.

It's too early to conclude who is the most superior, they all still look new to the ears of CM ex-users and still need some more time to become a fairly mature service. CM was closed no a month yet, other brands are still just beginning campaigns to seriously replace the position.
Btw, is the amount of escrowed campaign funds the new parameter determining how rich a mixer's bitcoin reserves are?

I think the mixer which have huge advertisement and active in this forum will high likely to replace Chipmixer as the new biggest mixer. It's because mixer project don't have any other way to promote their project, not a good way to promote in social medias due to centralized, compromise your privacy and spy your activity.

Whirlwind seems to be interesting as they have their own discussion and how their mixer work Ultimate Bitcoin Privacy - Discussion

Sinbad also have a chance, but this thread could trigger SEC Blender.io = Sinbad.io | Thoughts?

50, 100 bitcoin sounds peanut considering 1909.4 bitcoin seized from Chipmixer. Mind it, they only was able to access 1909.4 bitcoin that must be in hot wallet. We have no idea how much they have in their cold wallet and still inaccessible for authority, in fact they may not have any idea how to locate the cold wallet.

If people see a mixer that shows its reserve of many bitcoin, like 100 or more bitcoins, this will make people to trust the mixer more as they know the mixer have the money it can use for mixing. Mixers showing big reserve is a good strategy to gain people's trust. Also the ones with a better campaign is a good strategy to this forum members and visitors to be enticed to use the mixer.

Who would have thought Chipmixer was going to have such faith? But shutting down chipmixer opened a wide door for many others.

In short time we witnessed mixers started to show off their BTC and trying to attract clients. They are coming with huge marketing budgets. Some are even relaunching their old campaigns, while it looks they are struggling with their marketing budget. Unijoin, MixTum are some examples. At least looking at their signature budget it's not clear that they have enough. May be they have in reserve but they are not going aggressive and quickly discover running out of reserve.

On the other hand the newest one whirlwind is trying to spread an idea that they have huge and they wants to fill the gap as quick as they can. At least their weekly budget for signature campaign, $40K escrow for review campaign shows some money.

And there are these others who already made a decent name even when Chipmixer existed. Sinbad, Coinomize, Yo!Mix falls into the category. The new relaunch of Mixero shows some new promise too. They have budgets which is not aggressive nor something to ignore too. At least Sinbad seems ahead of the game than everyone else.

But it became obvious the next chipmixer will be the one who will be able to stay in the race for longer time.

Question remains, who is going to win it?
A. The ones who seems to have struggling with marketing budget.
B. The ones who seem balancing but have good reserve.
C. The ones who is showing off their wealth and may be they have a good reserve too.

It would be nice to know who have how much btc in reserve. At least Foxpup can do a math if he wants his own mixer