Topic: Do not post SSNs, etc. (Read 2265 times)
Thanks for the update, more restrictions will ruin this forum (but when it is needed... it is needed).
Edit: Is it just me, or does it seem that Theymos/this forum is getting more attention from authorities recently?
Honestly can't say I'm surprised, given his anarcho-capitalist learnings. A lot of bad shit has gone down on these forums, and Theymos has arrogantly shirked his responsibility at being a good steward of this community, IMO.
Lost all respect for him during the BFL 65nm shit-storm.
It is a selective process. Depends who gets scammed or who does the scamming.
The idea of "illegal data" is indeed very ridiculous for a variety of reasons.
I believe that it is not actually strictly illegal for bitcointalk.org to allow people to post SSNs (though it may be illegal for the poster in some circumstances). It's probably also not illegal for me to allow users to post death threats, or links to Silk Road-type sites, or detailed instructions on how best to kidnap someone. But even though these aren't illegal for bitcointalk.org, defending these activities (especially to ISPs and other service providers) is too difficult/expensive to really justify.
If you need to use someone SSN etc. in order to prove that they were scamming or to link some scamming to them as an individual, then I will probably go out of my way to allow this. But if their identity and crimes are already well-known, then it's not worth the trouble.
I believe that it is not actually strictly illegal for bitcointalk.org to allow people to post SSNs (though it may be illegal for the poster in some circumstances). It's probably also not illegal for me to allow users to post death threats, or links to Silk Road-type sites, or detailed instructions on how best to kidnap someone. But even though these aren't illegal for bitcointalk.org, defending these activities (especially to ISPs and other service providers) is too difficult/expensive to really justify.
If you need to use someone SSN etc. in order to prove that they were scamming or to link some scamming to them as an individual, then I will probably go out of my way to allow this. But if their identity and crimes are already well-known, then it's not worth the trouble.
And this is were the justice systems fails. Anyone with pockets deep enough can bully others to do (or not do) whatever they want by making it too difficult/expensive to defend it...
The bottom line is the bottom line, i.e., it all depends on who's doing the doxing and what the doxing consist of, and how much it'll cost to defend or ignore the action.
Posting an SSN number by anybody --> BAD!
Posting by a pissed off person the address of another person where children reside --> NOT BAD! (what could possibly go wrong?)
The idea of "illegal data" is indeed very ridiculous for a variety of reasons.
I believe that it is not actually strictly illegal for bitcointalk.org to allow people to post SSNs (though it may be illegal for the poster in some circumstances). It's probably also not illegal for me to allow users to post death threats, or links to Silk Road-type sites, or detailed instructions on how best to kidnap someone. But even though these aren't illegal for bitcointalk.org, defending these activities (especially to ISPs and other service providers) is too difficult/expensive to really justify.
If you need to use someone SSN etc. in order to prove that they were scamming or to link some scamming to them as an individual, then I will probably go out of my way to allow this. But if their identity and crimes are already well-known, then it's not worth the trouble.
I believe that it is not actually strictly illegal for bitcointalk.org to allow people to post SSNs (though it may be illegal for the poster in some circumstances). It's probably also not illegal for me to allow users to post death threats, or links to Silk Road-type sites, or detailed instructions on how best to kidnap someone. But even though these aren't illegal for bitcointalk.org, defending these activities (especially to ISPs and other service providers) is too difficult/expensive to really justify.
If you need to use someone SSN etc. in order to prove that they were scamming or to link some scamming to them as an individual, then I will probably go out of my way to allow this. But if their identity and crimes are already well-known, then it's not worth the trouble.
And this is were the justice systems fails. Anyone with pockets deep enough can bully others to do (or not do) whatever they want by making it too difficult/expensive to defend it...
Josh Zerlan is dragging my ass to court because I posted an image of his master bathroom gleaned from the internet that was placed here long before he purchased the home its in via bitcoins.
The same Josh from this video?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y
Yeah the guy giving him a quarter
I see what you did there!
In that video it's shown that the date on the quarter given to Bryan from Josh is 1984. From there, thanks to info gleaned from the internet, I complied the following three images that may or may not be in a random order. Clearly, this post must now be deleted due to the message it's pretending to relay, for somebody on this planet is now at risk.
Josh Zerlan is dragging my ass to court because I posted an image of his master bathroom gleaned from the internet that was placed here long before he purchased the home its in via bitcoins.
The same Josh from this video?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y
Yeah the guy giving him a quarter
Josh Zerlan is dragging my ass to court because I posted an image of his master bathroom gleaned from the internet that was placed here long before he purchased the home its in via bitcoins.
The same Josh from this video?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y
The idea of "illegal data" is indeed very ridiculous for a variety of reasons.
I believe that it is not actually strictly illegal for bitcointalk.org to allow people to post SSNs (though it may be illegal for the poster in some circumstances). It's probably also not illegal for me to allow users to post death threats, or links to Silk Road-type sites, or detailed instructions on how best to kidnap someone. But even though these aren't illegal for bitcointalk.org, defending these activities (especially to ISPs and other service providers) is too difficult/expensive to really justify.
If you need to use someone SSN etc. in order to prove that they were scamming or to link some scamming to them as an individual, then I will probably go out of my way to allow this. But if their identity and crimes are already well-known, then it's not worth the trouble.
I believe that it is not actually strictly illegal for bitcointalk.org to allow people to post SSNs (though it may be illegal for the poster in some circumstances). It's probably also not illegal for me to allow users to post death threats, or links to Silk Road-type sites, or detailed instructions on how best to kidnap someone. But even though these aren't illegal for bitcointalk.org, defending these activities (especially to ISPs and other service providers) is too difficult/expensive to really justify.
If you need to use someone SSN etc. in order to prove that they were scamming or to link some scamming to them as an individual, then I will probably go out of my way to allow this. But if their identity and crimes are already well-known, then it's not worth the trouble.
@Quickseller, when the number is one found publicly, does it even matter? And the picture in question, if I'm not mistaken, is one of Josh Zerlan's bitcoin house bathroom. Josh my-legal-efforts-will-dominate-your-face Zerlan (nice riff, VFT!) is hellbent on making his litigious presence known to all over the most ludicrous bullshit. But I agree, Bruno is perhaps making himself a target intentionally. I'm sure he knows what he's doing. By the way, Quickseller, you might not want to quote someone's post if you truly believe it contains sensitive info. That could give YOU problems.
From a forum rule point of view, I know that dox's can only be posted if information was discovered from public sources, however the rule above does not mention a public source exception, it does however say that it is acceptable to post it in the course of an investigation of a scam accusation. From a forum rule point of view, I really can't say if using a public source is allowable or not when posting restricted information. From a "is this a good idea" point of view, I know that most attorneys will advise their clients not to discuss pending litigation nor the people they are in pending litigation with anyone besides their attorney, publicly or privately. I would say that it is likely that no harm will untimely come of it if Bruno were to post Josh's SSN with a source referenced however it will probably also cause him (or his lawyer) a headache.
Bruno had mentioned that the picture were gotten from some public source, and I have no reason not to believe him, so I really don't see what the problem is. IMO the litigation is probably just a way of showing the FTC that he is willing to litigate over small things in the hopes that the FTC lets him off easy and/or makes a slap-on-the-wrist type offer to settle.
Edit: thanks on the warning about quoting restricted information. I edited/redacted the quote
Josh Zerlan's BTC-House was build and on the market long before he and his wife, Aime Broyles went house hunting with ill-gotten bitcoins in hand: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS549US549&espv=2&biw=1242&bih=577&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%2226163+W+108th+Terrace%22+Olathe&oq=%2226163+W+108th+Terrace%22+Olathe&gs_l=img.3...6075.6075.0.6333.1.1.0.0.0.0.122.122.0j1.1.0.msedr...0...1c.1.64.img..1.0.0.N02uovBRD7M
I only posted the bathroom pic and not the dining room where Josh fucks Aime on the table, or the bedrooms where Josh has Aime's kids play with his tail.
@Quickseller, when the number is one found publicly, does it even matter? And the picture in question, if I'm not mistaken, is one of Josh Zerlan's bitcoin house bathroom. Josh my-legal-efforts-will-dominate-your-face Zerlan (nice riff, VFT!) is hellbent on making his litigious presence known to all over the most ludicrous bullshit. But I agree, Bruno is perhaps making himself a target intentionally. I'm sure he knows what he's doing. By the way, Quickseller, you might not want to quote someone's post if you truly believe it contains sensitive info. That could give YOU problems.
From a forum rule point of view, I know that dox's can only be posted if information was discovered from public sources, however the rule above does not mention a public source exception, it does however say that it is acceptable to post it in the course of an investigation of a scam accusation. From a forum rule point of view, I really can't say if using a public source is allowable or not when posting restricted information. From a "is this a good idea" point of view, I know that most attorneys will advise their clients not to discuss pending litigation nor the people they are in pending litigation with anyone besides their attorney, publicly or privately. I would say that it is likely that no harm will untimely come of it if Bruno were to post Josh's SSN with a source referenced however it will probably also cause him (or his lawyer) a headache.
Bruno had mentioned that the picture were gotten from some public source, and I have no reason not to believe him, so I really don't see what the problem is. IMO the litigation is probably just a way of showing the FTC that he is willing to litigate over small things in the hopes that the FTC lets him off easy and/or makes a slap-on-the-wrist type offer to settle.
Edit: thanks on the warning about quoting restricted information. I edited/redacted the quote
@Quickseller, when the number is one found publicly, does it even matter? And the picture in question, if I'm not mistaken, is one of Josh Zerlan's bitcoin house bathroom. Josh my-legal-efforts-will-dominate-your-face Zerlan (nice riff, VFT!) is hellbent on making his litigious presence known to all over the most ludicrous bullshit. But I agree, Bruno is perhaps making himself a target intentionally. I'm sure he knows what he's doing. By the way, Quickseller, you might not want to quote someone's post if you truly believe it contains sensitive info. That could give YOU problems.
3157265 is the first 7 digits of my SSN. Those exact digits are found in Josh's SSN, albeit arranged differently plus two digits that are identical.
Let's open a can of worms. Wait till you see my next thread in this, Meta, section. (after a fetching a fresh cup of coffee)
When has cost ever been an issue for Theymos ?
Point taken, but have you seen the price of btc lately? Where's another gox to pump the price when you need it?
@Quickseller, when the number is one found publicly, does it even matter? And the picture in question, if I'm not mistaken, is one of Josh Zerlan's bitcoin house bathroom. Josh my-legal-efforts-will-dominate-your-face Zerlan (nice riff, VFT!) is hellbent on making his litigious presence known to all over the most ludicrous bullshit. But I agree, Bruno is perhaps making himself a target intentionally. I'm sure he knows what he's doing. By the way, Quickseller, you might not want to quote someone's post if you truly believe it contains sensitive info. That could give YOU problems.
Quickseller, while in a way you're right, in this particular case, the conversion is irrelevant and Bruno's clearly joking. I mean, I could give you a number and say with another number I could convert it to something else. It just doesn't really hold water. But that's all besides the point. theymos has clearly been threatened by BFL and is now bending over to avoid legal costs. In other words, that is the only party with which anyone should be concerned regarding this anyway, because their ship is sinking and they have GOT to make the maximum number of targets go down with them.
Dude, you're interfering with myself trying to make $100 per sale with your pseudo-logic. Pirateat40 once penned that his Ponzi scheme was not a Ponzi scheme and that his loyal followers were well aware how he was able to pay 12% ROI per week with his non-Ponzi schem. In the same vein, I WAS NOT "clearly joking" when I penned that 65j00ye2 equates to Josh Zerlan's SSN via a key I'm now selling. I repeat, 65j00ye2 WAS NOT derived via typing pseudo-random keys on the keyboard.
That said, do you wish to purchase the key?
Quickseller, while in a way you're right, in this particular case, the conversion is irrelevant and Bruno's clearly joking. I mean, I could give you a number and say with another number I could convert it to something else. It just doesn't really hold water. But that's all besides the point. theymos has clearly been threatened by BFL (Josh Zerlan) and is now bending over to avoid legal costs. In other words, that is the only party with which anyone should be concerned regarding this anyway, because their ship is sinking and they have GOT to make the maximum number of targets go down with them.
I agree that he probably is joking regarding that string of numbers/letters being Josh's SSN, however it is probably still not a good idea to say that it is his SSN (or say that you will sell the key to determine what the SSN is) because anything that happens as a result of it will be a headache for Bruno at best. This is especially true if Bruno is actually facing some kind of litigation regarding a picture he posted years ago (I am not sure if he is joking about this or not)It wasn't years ago, but last December, and Josh just brushed it off, my post not being a threat to him at the time. Here's the post in question: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9754840.
I'll offer the key to you for only $50, but better act fast before I change my mind.
Quickseller, while in a way you're right, in this particular case, the conversion is irrelevant and Bruno's clearly joking. I mean, I could give you a number and say with another number I could convert it to something else. It just doesn't really hold water. But that's all besides the point. theymos has clearly been threatened by BFL (Josh Zerlan) and is now bending over to avoid legal costs. In other words, that is the only party with which anyone should be concerned regarding this anyway, because their ship is sinking and they have GOT to make the maximum number of targets go down with them.
I agree that he probably is joking regarding that string of numbers/letters being Josh's SSN, however it is probably still not a good idea to say that it is his SSN (or say that you will sell the key to determine what the SSN is) because anything that happens as a result of it will be a headache for Bruno at best. This is especially true if Bruno is actually facing some kind of litigation regarding a picture he posted years ago (I am not sure if he is joking about this or not) 
theymos has clearly been threatened by BFL (Josh) and is now bending over to avoid legal costs.
When has cost ever been an issue for Theymos ?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mcdb4/thermos_is_spending_100000_worth_of_his_donated/cm367gr?context=3
"If you think that $100,000 per month for 4 highly-skilled full-time developers is a completely ludicrous rate, then you don't know anything about this business. It would be fair to argue that it's a high rate, though I'm not even sure that this is true. You probably walk past a dozen cheaper developers every day, but their skills/experience would be very different, so it's difficult to compare."
I am thinking it was because someone posted Josh Garza's income tax return that he and his wife's SSN numbers on it. He has pissed off a lot of people and insiders/disgruntled employees/contractors have been going to town releasing his private information.
Quickseller, while in a way you're right, in this particular case, the conversion is irrelevant and Bruno's clearly joking. I mean, I could give you a number and say with another number I could convert it to something else. It just doesn't really hold water. But that's all besides the point. theymos has clearly been threatened by BFL (Josh Zerlan) and is now bending over to avoid legal costs. In other words, that is the only party with which anyone should be concerned regarding this anyway, because their ship is sinking and they have GOT to make the maximum number of targets go down with them.
I mean, this has always sort of been a policy, just probably due to recent events its worth reminding everyone. The difference between Doxing someone, and posting information such as a SSN, is that information gathered in a Dox is public info. If you go through phone books, Google, etc and find out info about someone, the fact that it was already out there and available means its not private. In that case you are just putting a compliation of info together. SSNs/Credit Card info, etc is not something you are going to find in any public record, and it can be assumed that it was gathered unlawfully.
In this case the the SSN was retrieved from a public court document. By your definition that would be fine, while it isn't.
There is certain information that cannot be posted (regardless on how it was obtained).
The image above may or may not have embedded in it dozens of SSN of members of this forum.
If the above practice doesn't violate the new policy, does converting a person's SSN via quater-imaginary base and posting such a violation?
311030110303210302103011020010302 is my SSN, and I could do the exact same thing for anybody else's, but would somebody be breaking policy is if they penned the following: Bruno Kucinskas and 311030110303210302103011020010302 are synonymous. It'll be left to the reading to decode it if they have the key, but once such practice becomes the norm in relaying this particular vital, most all will know how, and have the means readily available to decipher the SSN. Then, this practice would be halted, whereupon another practice would be put in place. At this point, we're fighting a system within a system that was designed to communicate to others in the world how to fight the fiat system via a free monetary system - Bitcoin.
That said, am I know breaking the new policy via penning [REDACTED] of which is Josh Zerlan's SSN encoded but I'm the only one with the key to unlock it but may sell the key if requested? Clearly, I didn't post JZ's SSN nor am I selling it, but I am selling the key used to convert the SSN for only $100. The key can be used to convert any series of letters and/or numbers.
I can't speak for theymos, however I would say a good rule of thumb would be that if an arbitrary third party (with medium to high technical/mathematical knowledge/abilities) would reasonably be able to convert what you posted to a piece of restricted information (a SSN, account number, Unique Identification number, PIN, ect.) then it is probably not allowed.
I would also say that it is probably not a good idea to advertise that you are posting something that can be converted back to a third-parties piece of restricted information, as it will likely attract unwanted attention towards both you and the forum
I did not know that this lunatic Inaba is more important than Obama. Obama's SSN is in the internet. This is bullshit! Cry baby Josh, cry. You are not going to get your way.
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