Topic: Do politicians take us for granted? - page 2. (Read 576 times)

politics is cruel that friends can become opponents and opponents can become friends.
politicians in my country are the same as you they make promises but will never be kept, even the policies they make are not for the welfare of the people but instead, for example they promise to provide hospitals free of charge for those who cannot afford hospital fees, but in reality every treatment is always complicated.

These happen actually in other country politicians are doing good when the election is almost near. Some people are in favor also of these vote buying since they are in need of money to sustain their cost of living. Corruption happen for some countries this is why we have to be responsible to excercise our rights to vote to choose the riht person and responsible when being elected.

You guys are all correct. I can think that there is only a small percentage of politicians that actually care for its people. Politicians work for the rich people because they reap good benefits when doing it. Rich people are only a small percentage of the populace. I know there are very rich countries in some part of the world, maybe corruption there is not that high.

Politics kills the essence of public service. We hope that after the election, those elected officials must serve earnestly, by setting aside the political differences. It is happening mostly in the democratic country especially on popular vote.


Every country has its own corruption story, nothing new. There are few / rare politicians who are honest to their post, that serve their constituent as to their capacity until their term ends.

There's also a further point that politicians themselves dont just take us for granted. They know that they're able to get away with not truly helping us because the 'next best evil' (their opponent) is going to do the same exact thing to them in the next election.

If they're all bad, all we do is look for the best out of the worst and move on.

That's why they're able to get away with this. Once we move past the 2 party system in the US, we can at least hope for this sort of change. But that's the only thing the two parties agree on -- fucking the people into accepting the two party system.

well there where once empires colonising africa (building infrastructure) but african's wanted rather those democrats.

enjoy.

Why are you surprised?, Latin America is the same, my country is copying Zimbabwe in most things, especially the economy...

Maybe it has something to do that these lands were once colonies, maybe its the "too nice" weather of the tropics, i have no idea. The poorest countries unsurprisingly have the worst politicians and the most corruption.

And yes the politicians here do exactly as you describe, until they can mend things so they can remain in power regardless of elections...

If people protest they get killed. Who is going to defend the protesters, US? Russia? pff they are busy with their own matters. No one cares.

Sometimes there are internal disputes, mostly the military intervenes and a new gov is installed. Then things repeat all over again, never to improve. And you get people emigrating, which the "nice" countries complain about but do nothing of significance. People wouldn't be risking their lives emigrating if their country of origin conditions weren't so bad in the first place. But you know, sovereignty, allies, yadda, yadda, the UN is for decoration and endless speeches that amount to nothing. The Security council is a joke with the veto members, nothing ever gets done unless its some (no one cares) half island in the Caribbean no one bothers vetoing sending troops.

We all live in oppression by the State.

This is the story of every country all across the world, it is just relatively worse or better. I have too come across false promises by politicians and once they get elected, it takes them whole term or even the next one to complete those promises or sometimes just forget about them. In my country, the authorities fight over petty issues but not addresses important challenges like hunger, education, employment etc.

Of course every unpopular running candidates would show that they are responsible and they can help for the country to show that they are the one who need to be voted. In the end we will know on how they work for us if we didn't know how they actually work.

Especially for some poor country do vote buying for they to be win so the country doesn't improve anything because of undeserving choose of votes.

It's already a known fact for decades now. politics is one dark game where people in power continously exploit those who are barely eating 3 square meals. I've seen situations where a 4 year tenure brought severe hardship and even a recession. Yet during election, these politicians would give out 1 - 2 cups of rice and people would still line up to vote for them. The way I see it, the masses are part of the problem. When we start realizing we're worth more than we're getting, that's the point they stop taking us for granted. But as long as we allow such, why won't they go overboard?

It's not just these politicians. In life, if you're 'too' gentle and take things easily, people would exploit that and take you for granted.

Exactly, we should not let them take us for granted, if people sees you as someone who can take for granted easily, they will do it even not politicians, even a normal people do it to others, what we should do is to not let them, we should learn to fight about our rights, and we should be vigilant always.

That's not how politics is played. That's how you let them play it. We are greedy and we allow them to lure us. To divide us. To create fear in us as well as greed. It's all like how religion is. We listen to the preacher no matter how naive he talks. Beside, politics is nowadays a dirty profession so the wise upper class so called people also don't want make themselves dirty and just votes who ever stands in election.

This happens not only in African countries, but almost all over the world.
Why? Because it works. People are so naive and silly that always fall for some politician and then vote him/her. They just believe any promise politicians made.
Politicians, on the other hand, are masters of communication and marketing and thus are very skilled in manipulating people for their own benefits.

That corrupt practices is not just present in Africa but to other third world countries as well. During election period politicians will do anything to gain the favor of the masses and of course they will spend millions to win the election. After they win the election they will forget the promises they made because they are busy earning back what they spent during the elections. If people will accept money or any kind of goods during the election then they will still win the election and the cycle will continue. Sometimes we need to vote for the right people and do not accept gifts and bribe from them so that right people will be seated in the right position. If that happens the welfare sector will have enough budget since corruption will be lessened if not removed.

It would be quite foolish to rely on the U.S. for any sort of help when the shit hit's the fan.  Seems that those who control the U.S. at this time actually take a perverse pleasure in backstabbing their 'friends' and would so it even just for the fun of it for no particular gain.  That said, life under the Chinese would probably be 10 times worse than what most people experienced under the U.S..  At least most naive American peeps where indoctrinated with the idea that 'all men are created equal' which imparts some degree of humanity.  Not so many other societies.

As for rich, I mean that The Philippines as a nation is quite well off with minerals, arable land, water, etc.

As I've said before, it would be great to see some real cooperation between Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, The Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia to contain China's expansionist dreams of claiming everyone else's resources.  I think that this would be vastly more robust than relying on help form the U.S. if/when any real shooting starts.

As a mater of fact, I'm expecting the U.S. to sell their S and SE Asian 'friends' off to China for basically nothing just before themselves are imploded.  Those who have been parasitizing the U.S. have already moved their factories to China and are having their kids learn Mandarin.  They are one gulfstream jet ride away from switching hosts.

Yeah! He really don't give a f*ck. He don't care if his way of leadership irritates the eyes of this global organizations. I actually like his bravery for doing what he think is good for our country without even letting the bodies outside our sovereignty interfere. What a strong conviction.
I foresee the same thing that's why our president is working for a Plan B. That's why he try to befriend Russia and also keep befriending China despite of the despute on the reclamation of West Philippine Sea because he knew that they can be a strong allies when new WW began. I can see that he already want to stop our relationship to America, probably he, an me also, thought that we will only suffer more in the end. I thought that all of the help we get coming from.the Americans has something for exchange and that would be human force. We might end up as their "pawns"in case of war.

Anyway, do you really think we are rich? I don't think so .

ps: these are just my opinions.

I still believe that this kind of politics will not be effective if people will not allow themselves to be fooled. Politicians are using this strategy over and over again because it is effective. They will not bother doing this if such strategy proves nothing. But since people are always swayed by sweet yet empty promises, politicians have already become comfortable using it. Voter's awareness, empowerment, and the courage to oppose such dirty politicians are what it takes for this to end.

The biggest reason I think that Duterte might actually really be 'for real' and not just riding on marketing hype generated from mined social media data is the vicious attacks he gets from globalists (NGO's, United Nations, mainstream media, etc.)

My contention is that Duterte really is screwing up some long term globalist programs for The Philippines.  Especially their illicit drug operations which are meant to undermine society by corrupting government at all levels. Globalists want country's national governments  to be unstable, paralyzed, and focused on internal problems.  The more exploitable resources a country has the more important it is to control them, and The Philippines is actually fairly rich.

The interesting thing to see is that once people see that there is some possibility for things to get better when it comes to drugs and other such things, and see it happen even just a little bit, they will work vigorously to not regress and their tolerance for future problems goes way down.  At least that is what it seems like to me.

One decent person making forward progress for a brief time can undue years of hard work on the 'evil' side dragging the country toward collapse and/or revolution.  The world is full of such 'asymmetric phenomenon'.  Identifying them is key to good strategy.

Don't feel that you are the only one who experiencing such thing, we and many countries across the globe got the same thing. But ours is a little bit improving because after we elected our president, you can feel that he is keeping his promises and lead our country in greater progress. Unlike the previous ones, the Duterte administration shows its claws against crime. Though many humanitarian orgs. and groups are against in his way of ruling, I still like it because you can really see the good results.
Are you sure? They are not corrupting the money at all and use for their personal interests?

Politics has been a dirty game and every politician needs some degree of cunningness to success within their party. Replacing the politicians might not be a solution either as we've seen newer politician more committed to corruption. The greatest power are the people itself. Politicians could be forced to act according to the interest of people. Education is the most powerful weapon.
One of the largest contributing factor for success of democracy is a free and unbiased media.
In case of Africa, things are changing for good. We've seen impressive improvement in lifestyle of many African countries in recent years led by democratically elected leaders.