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Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there Cheesy

. What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way Cheesy

. Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore Cheesy

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Trying with system and the real human have vast differences as I said earlier on other thread you can increase your poker skill only if you play with real players while risking your real money.

do agree on that, you can not improve your skills on poker without risking your own money, without risk you cannot improve anything, since there is no risk and you can try anything without risk, something that you would not do when risk is involved

People wants to get some experience they will have to face the risk and will have to be ready for getting profit after miner lose. Because where there is huge profit there will be big lose. I know so many gamblers who are actually winning and getting profit to become rich and saw so many who had nothing but only lose in gambling so its all about the user that how he or she deals with gambling.

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Quote from: sujonali1819 on May 04, 2020, 11:13:18 AM

@Op Obviously the gamblers win in gambling. But it sure that the winner is very rare than losers. Only some lucky and GOD of gamblers win sometimes.

And when a gambler luckily wins a high stake then it makes more addiction in gambling. And this is the main reason for most of the gamblers are playing gamble despite losses.

I promise you,,, the guys that you always see as god of gamblers are really just very loud when they win but they are not immune to house edge and they will keep very quiet when they lose.

You are right about the addiction though and this I think really separates the "winners" who take great cares to not be addicted.

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Quote from: Danydee on May 04, 2020, 10:36:52 PM

Stake/Bitsler no longer showing the profit rates,

Here's two screens from the profiles of two user that I found quickly from the chat on Bitsler,
It shows the number of wins /against the number of loss

These stats are not telling what OP hints at

You could set the multiplier to something like 1.01 and then the total majority of your rolls will be winning -- easily over 90%. And so what? Does it mean that you will be able to score big wins every other day, multiplying your balance a thousand times in the process? Not in the least. You could actually win in the long run (see here how), but your profits will still be tiny compared to wagered amounts (as the stats clearly show). In other words, luck folds pretty fast while house edge takes over, and there is no chance you can win huge amounts on a regular basis, year in and year out, without losing as much or more

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Quote from: sujonali1819 on May 04, 2020, 11:13:18 AM

@Op Obviously the gamblers win in gambling. But it sure that the winner is very rare than losers. Only some lucky and GOD of gamblers win sometimes.

And when a gambler luckily wins a high stake then it makes more addiction in gambling. And this is the main reason for most of the gamblers are playing gamble despite losses.

The God of gamblers that you are talking about is very rare mate,it is not for everyone because it is a Gods gift and every gambler ever dreamed of.
i hate to say this but Gamblers are tend to lose and not to win so about the topic?a comment from a former addict like me is "No we cannot win in gambling"literally and truthfully guys admit that reality .

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Quote from: deisik on May 02, 2020, 01:37:47 AM

People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

There is sites that shows on the user's profile the stats for the profits, profits percentage, amount, win/loss amount, percentage, And so you can found players that have (all time) really huge amounts of wins,,
That's tells concretely that's there is nothing "impossible/insurmountable", all is question of good work good method

sites can be misleading mate because they can put a Bot accounts or dummy just to let people knows there are winners but the truth ?that is fake.

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People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

There is sites that shows on the user's profile the stats for the profits, profits percentage, amount, win/loss amount, percentage, And so you can found players that have (all time) really huge amounts of wins,,
That's tells concretely that's there is nothing "impossible/insurmountable", all is question of good work good method

Actually, I thought about that

These are all valid concerns and considerations. However, if this info is freely and easily available on relevant sites, why not share it with us? We would then check these stats and see for ourselves. I looked through the entirety of this thread (yes, all 13 pages), and haven't found any links other than to some construction worker jumping "from rags to riches" (an obvious case of luck at play) and another poster showing their stats, which are nothing out of the ordinary from my point of view (as I explained, you can beat the house edge with martingale)

Stake/Bitsler no longer showing the profit rates,

Here's two screens from the profiles of two user that I found quickly from the chat on Bitsler,
It shows the number of wins /against the number of loss

Here's stats of some users from the tab of (top profits) on Crypto-Games

That is me Grin

As you mentioned, it is possible to get good profits from using good strategies on Bot/Auto-bet play.

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Quote from: sujonali1819 on May 04, 2020, 11:13:18 AM

@Op Obviously the gamblers win in gambling. But it sure that the winner is very rare than losers. Only some lucky and GOD of gamblers win sometimes.

And when a gambler luckily wins a high stake then it makes more addiction in gambling. And this is the main reason for most of the gamblers are playing gamble despite losses.

The mindsets that if you are lucky for that day collecting money will be much easier for you, the only problem is when greed start to encircle around your brain, there's always chance to win if you know how to properly sets limitations and if you have contentment inside.
Without control expect the losing portions of your day will bust everything that you've got.

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@Op Obviously the gamblers win in gambling. But it sure that the winner is very rare than losers. Only some lucky and GOD of gamblers win sometimes.

And when a gambler luckily wins a high stake then it makes more addiction in gambling. And this is the main reason for most of the gamblers are playing gamble despite losses.

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Quote from: South Park on May 04, 2020, 10:51:17 AM

If you are getting awful cards in poker there is nothing that you can do, you have no option but to keep waiting for luck to come back to you and one of the things that many people do not really understand is that if you read the biographies of great poker players you will see that those streaks of bad luck do not last a few hours sometimes they last for months and they are unable to get profits during that time, can you imagine working for months and still get no profits? Very few people will be able to survive economically under those circumstances

It's the same with long-term investing, in a way

You may have to literally wait years until a particular investment starts to bring in dough. But unlike poker, you can "play" many hands at once. This is Warren Buffett's approach. He can wait decades simply because some (well, most) of his investments made decades ago are now paying off. Is it possible with poker or is it more like a life of a butterfly which has no future and no memory of the past?

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on May 02, 2020, 04:43:04 AM

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there Cheesy

. What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way Cheesy

. Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore Cheesy

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If you are getting awful cards in poker there is nothing that you can do, you have no option but to keep waiting for luck to come back to you and one of the things that many people do not really understand is that if you read the biographies of great poker players you will see that those streaks of bad luck do not last a few hours sometimes they last for months and they are unable to get profits during that time, can you imagine working for months and still get no profits? Very few people will be able to survive economically under those circumstances.

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I guess that will work properly for him because not all of us can get winning like him. He should have skills in poker so he can win and he can also make a living from poker games. The other skills-based gambling games is a sports betting because I think that some gambling can get their winning from their analysis to select the right team.

Skills in poker for me is not that much reason for winning because not unless you are a card expert and can manipulate the distribution then thats the only way you can bag lots of money but if not?then Luck is what you need to win always.
i am a card player thats why i know how it works for long time.

If you only want to enjoy the poker game without thinking about trying to winning, I think skill will not too important. But gambler who wants to win the poker game will always try to learn more about poker so they can have more chance to win. Yes, the poker game will need luck to win in the gambling games but sometimes, if the moment is right, and you are in the right table, you can use bluffing to defeat the opponent.

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Quote from: Danydee on May 02, 2020, 05:02:37 PM

Quote from: deisik on May 02, 2020, 01:37:47 AM

People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

There is sites that shows on the user's profile the stats for the profits, profits percentage, amount, win/loss amount, percentage, And so you can found players that have (all time) really huge amounts of wins,,
That's tells concretely that's there is nothing "impossible/insurmountable", all is question of good work good method

Actually, I thought about that

These are all valid concerns and considerations. However, if this info is freely and easily available on relevant sites, why not share it with us? We would then check these stats and see for ourselves. I looked through the entirety of this thread (yes, all 13 pages), and haven't found any links other than to some construction worker jumping "from rags to riches" (an obvious case of luck at play) and another poster showing their stats, which are nothing out of the ordinary from my point of view (as I explained, you can beat the house edge with martingale)

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Quote from: deisik on May 02, 2020, 01:37:47 AM

People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

There is sites that shows on the user's profile the stats for the profits, profits percentage, amount, win/loss amount, percentage, And so you can found players that have (all time) really huge amounts of wins,,
That's tells concretely that's there is nothing "impossible/insurmountable", all is question of good work good method

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on May 02, 2020, 04:43:04 AM

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there Cheesy

. What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way Cheesy

. Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore Cheesy

.

Trying with system and the real human have vast differences as I said earlier on other thread you can increase your poker skill only if you play with real players while risking your real money.

do agree on that, you can not improve your skills on poker without risking your own money, without risk you cannot improve anything, since there is no risk and you can try anything without risk, something that you would not do when risk is involved

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on May 02, 2020, 04:43:04 AM

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there Cheesy

. What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way Cheesy

. Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore Cheesy

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Trying with system and the real human have vast differences as I said earlier on other thread you can increase your poker skill only if you play with real players while risking your real money.

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In gambling, he always wins a safe, this is an unwritten rule, but in some cases he randomly pays big wins so as not to attract the shot. Although I think that the big winnings in some statistics are not earned by real individuals, I am sure that very rarely, real players also make big or big winnings when gambling. Of course, this amount of earnings is always balanced in a way that ensures the profit of the safe. This is why real users, albeit rarely, make huge gains. Still, I would like to remind you that the case always wins the long-term, if you look at the event from a wide perspective.

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There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions Grin

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there Cheesy

. What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way Cheesy

. Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore Cheesy

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Quote from: BTCappu on February 17, 2020, 03:21:12 AM

We all read threads where people say that it is impossible to win against the house because the edge that is always against a gambler.

But often when I am playing dice and I see chat and view stats of some gamblers there are actually some profiles that show profits while some show loss so my question is, do people actually make profits from dice or the stats are misleading or something?

And I am talking about regular gamblers who I mean are active in chat almost daily so it's not like they made profit once and stopped gambling, they are active and gamble almost every day so how some guys are managing profits while others are failing?

People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

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Quote from: Danydee on April 22, 2020, 07:00:22 AM

So just I heard stories of some peoples that do really good careers on sports betting, I mean in that in a full time engagement ,just like a job
One of them has abandoned his profession of doctor to go on a well road on horse's betting.
I mean that a really implicated players! But again it's not kids job

I have a lot of friends who bet on football (soccer) in the European Champions League. One of them is even a coach at a children's soccer school. They are of course great football experts, constantly monitor transfers and other events in the life of clubs, they know which players were injured, who left his wife, who found a new mistress, and so on.
However, even they do not always win and there are times when they get losses. In General, of course, they have positive statistics on winnings.

I think that the secret of good bets is to be well versed in the theme and constantly follow the news.

Football bets, if you really follow certain matches, can be profitable!
But sports betting isn't the only gambling... Many people lose in poker, roulette, slot machines!
Danydee gave the right comparison with traders! Wink

If many people won all the time, all the casinos would cease to exist! Grin

I also follow the football (soccer) matches of my favorite teams and quite often the result is obvious, but in this case the coefficient for the winning team is very small. To win good money on football betting, people need to make complex bets or guess the number of goals scored.

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Quote from: Yatsan on April 25, 2020, 09:29:47 PM

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions Grin

I guess that will work properly for him because not all of us can get winning like him. He should have skills in poker so he can win and he can also make a living from poker games. The other skills-based gambling games is a sports betting because I think that some gambling can get their winning from their analysis to select the right team.

Skills in poker for me is not that much reason for winning because not unless you are a card expert and can manipulate the distribution then thats the only way you can bag lots of money but if not?then Luck is what you need to win always.
i am a card player thats why i know how it works for long time.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on April 14, 2020, 03:53:06 PM

I do not agree with OP. In my opinion, no one could win consistently yes even with skill based gambling. Because, for consistent winning you must have high level of discipline which may not be possible with an entertainment because there are plenty of chances for you to slip down somewhere when you are too excited about your entertainments.

Even if you have this, chances of consistent winning is impossible.

There is no chance that a gambler with a high level of discipline will consecutive times especially in games like this where it is pure luck. I remember the online game that I'm playing right now. It is purely RNG (items can be get thru pure luck) and even you used many bucks to buy some stuff, there is no 100% chance that you can get the item. It is the same with gambling. Even you put a million bucks there, the chances that you will win isn't 100% because it is still 50/50. Either you lose or fail.

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions Grin

Having good skills is not the only requirement that you need to be profitable at poker, as you know it is a zero sum game which means that in order for you to earn money someone has to lose, the problem is that if in your table everyone has a similar skill level then who wins and who losses is now going to be determined by luck, if you want to win you need to have a few players that are below your skill level and take advantage of that difference in skill when you face them, something that is not easy to do at all.

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