Topic: Do traders make more money than holders? - page 10. (Read 1787 times)

Im sure traders earns more than holders alone. Holders doesnt depend on anything except waiting for their coins to rise. This is so time consuming and sometimes end up being loss because of too much waiting. The trader on the other hand sees opportunities on every waves he catches and earn through it in short period of time so they earn bigger than holders.

Yes in day trading you can make consistent profits and consistent losses as well. That's it. So trading is not better than hodl… it's all about doing what works best for you. I have seen a lot of people who have stopped anything about cryptocurrency and hated it till date because they lost everything they had through day trading. I have seen people who saved money only to end up losing it all in trading. So you just have to go for what works best for you and that's all. If you try to go for trading because you thinking it will make you lots of money, you're just wasting your time and will regret it later. There are people who became millionaires today by just hodl Bitcoin.

if we courage to take risk , maybe investing in coins outside top 20 cmc will be great decision.but these coins must have atleast $100k so its easy to liquidate when we need money.investing in sleeping giant will give us really huge profits when investors starting join.

yes, that is absolutely true. But when I have someone lost all due to day trading. Because every transaction you create, there will be certain risks and if you are unlucky, you will lose money.
the hold or trade is the decision of each person. it only works best when the owner understands what area they are good at. If they are good at trading, holding will become meaningless.
If they are good at analyzing and analyzing, hold will be a great choice.

You can trade any coin. For a beginner, of course, it is better to choose coins from the top 20, but if you are a successful trader, then you can trade another coin, if you understand this.

Traders make money very quickly but we cannot surely say there will be more profitable than cold as but if the value of your investment not developed in your future also then the traders make more profit then the holders otherwise if you hold the investment for long time it is more profitable than expectation.

Not all traders can make more money and even holders too because it all depends on the situation of the market and what would they do. Long term trader can make a profit only if his desired profit met or he sees the right opportunity to sell. While the short term traders are quite harder than long term trader if a trader doesn't have any experience of trading and it is not advisable for newbies to do the short term trading and it is riskier than hodling.

Depends on the trader, some traders do make more money than holders because they find the perfect spot to sell at the top and buy at the bottom because they are good at trading and they know when it hits the top or bottom. However, some traders do not know the difference between a bottom and a fake bottom or a hype vs a dead cat bounce so they mistake everything together while making big losses.

So, when you hold, depending on how long you can hold you will always make profits, you can even buy at the all time high price and eventually that will be passed as well, that is why I honestly think that bitcoin is the holders coin, if you hold too long and everyone joins you there will be less people selling and there will be a finite amount on exchanges which will also increase the price because we all hold as well.

It's a risk of holding when you buy unpopular coins, they are very volatile and could make you los, especially if you keep it for a long
time. I think trading is far more profitable because you can profit repeatedly even in a short time

Well, the time and market situation is one of the decisive factors for this problem, in addition, the capacity of each person also determines a lot because traders or holders, if they do not know how to analyze and make good use of the situations they are facing, they will also fail. So it is very difficult for us to correctly answer this question, but if we look objectively, traders will make more money when we can see daily risks that traders face, the volume of risk is too much and the reward for risk acceptance is proportional to the volume of risk

first of all there is a difference between "bag holding" and a "long term investment" and "short term trading" these are three different approaches towards the market that should not be  confused with each other and each of them can have a different outcome.

for starters making profit doesn't depend on what you do, it depends on how you do it based on your experience. if you have none, then no matter what you do, you will lose money.

a "bag holder" is someone who usually buys some crap and waits until eternity to make profit. they usually lose 90% of their investment before selling and getting out because they always buy "crap".
a "short term trader" or day trader is someone who rides the fluctuations. this can be very profitable but at the same time it is very risky due to the unpredictability of this market and the high level of manipulation specially in altcoins but if you learn how to for example take advantage of the altcoin pumps, you will be able to  make a ton of money.
an "investor" however is someone who doesn't want to take the risks of trading like losing money to a shitcoin dump. or lose money to an exchange scamming him so he chooses a good asset with a lot of potential for long term and buys that. like those who are buying bitcoin. the key is to find that potential.

in the end you should decide which group you want to be a part of and which one of them YOU can do best to make most profit.

you righ but when i said how about risk.
trading is make daily or weekly income but have a big risk, if your analisys market is bad you just will take a loss in trade.
holding is just make a little profit but have a small risk on it.
i am a holder and trader, so i do that's all.

I guess that depends on every individual. How much and when is invested, how long coins are holded or what trading strategy is used.
My general idea is that is always better for Bitcoin to be on the market and not just sit idle in some wallet. So I guess that best option for profit is combination of trading and holding in ideal ratio but everyone needs to find the best strategy that suits his needs.

I can't make an easy judgement as this would certainly depends on timing and market situation.
Traders always follow the market, they buy and sell based on timing to make profit, while holders are just waiting for the right time for them to sell their assets based on their target, so, if a trader is really successful(meaning he can make lots of successful trades), then I guess he will be more profitable, and that is the condition, and not all traders are successful.

I don't think we can compare like that. Because this financial market always has the struggle to become rich, a profitable trader will make another trader lose. there is always victory in the market.
For the holders, there will be winners when judging correctly and there will be losers in wrong judgment.
we can only compare risk and safety. I think hold will be less risky because it doesn't need too much technical trading knowledge.

They are both profitable. Imagine buying Bitcoin for $8,000 and selling it at $9,500 and someone buys it at $8,000 and holds till the price shoots up to $10,000 or $20,000. So who will make much money here...the holder or the day trader?

Yes I think it's true, that being a trader is more profitable than being a holder. But waiting in my opinion it has a different perspective for everyone. For example, like a billionaire kid holding a $ 10 bitcoin and now worth millions of dollars. I think he is a strong holder. source from: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/20/bitcoin-millionaire-erik-finman-says-going-to-college-isnt-worth-it.html
Even though my perspective is more profitable than the holder, it does not mean fully true but it depends on each perspective.

Unfortunately, not all traders can do as you said. Many of them are too greedy to make more money from trading, and they don't know when to exit the trading. Besides that, to trade like what you describe, we need to have skills which not all traders have because the traders should know when the time to enter and exit the market so he can be able to make a profit. That will work if we have skills, money, time to analyze, controlling ourselves related to the market.

If i can figure it out, maybe yes. But it is depends on what money that holders use to make investment. Because holders only rely on their investment and traders can do any improvement with his result every time it can make profit.

Would it make sense to say trading altcoin probably is the best idea then as oppose to btc?  Because there are huge fluctations?  Of course risk is much higher etc?  Also do most traders in the end keep btc... or it in usd or usdt?  If you do bitcoin or litecoin, it will be in usd and thus fiat.  But if its altcoin, it has to go to btc first... then either stay btc or usdt or going to usd.  What happens there?  Because if you don't trade it for fiat... which is usd... then you aren't really in profit in terms of cashing out.  Because with usdt, you still have to convert it back to btc and then to usd right?


Could you convert tether directly to usd right now without going through btc?  Thus you have to pay another trading fee to go from usdt to btc to usd as oppose to usdt to usd..