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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

I think a businessman will indeed be happy when he has smart employees. but I think being smart is not enough, they also have to be kind and honest. This is to balance the intelligence possessed by employees. because those who are smart sometimes use their intelligence to do something wrong. as you might expect.
a good businessman, actually will not bind his employees for a long time. I once listened to a company leader scolding his employees who had worked for 10 years at his company. he says don't take long, you are here 3-5 years. take the knowledge and create your own business. I don't want to see you old in my company.
Companies will grow well when their leaders and employees have the same mission.

Yes, being smart would be totally useless if an employee isnt kind and honest which means that there are really factors which you would really be needing up to form a good team.
You cant just rely on being smart alone and the fact these people could really make out decisions which might really opposing into yours or something that loves to debate on
which is something you dont like as a boss.Its not really that bad to have this kind of criteria or preference as an owner.You do have the full rights on whose you gonna
accept on the company but requiring such kind of quality doesnt always end up on a better choice.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

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Like others mentioned, it would depend on what type of business. We can't just sort of put it in a single agreement on that kind of style of working in any industry.
The obvious intention would be that the potential candidate would have a great contribution to the company especially if we are talking about tech industries. In my experience as a software dev, because there are sooooo many ways to implement or hard code things, you might overlook the security issues from your code since there are some people that have the mindset of "if it works, it works", but then one day their site would be attacked by hackers through various methods (XSS attack, SQL injection, etc.)

An employer would obviously hire that potential candidate knowing that s/he can contribute to mitigate or prevent the possible damages that could happen to their company.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

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Life is not so linear. There isn't such thing as a smart number and people are like in a line over that.

People have different qualities and know about different subjects. Someone may be very smart in coding but an idiot when talking about finances or administration (like Sam from ftx) Nobody can be smart in everything.

So, a boss should always hire people who are smarter than him in various area where he is not or just doesn't have time

I remember that I don't have good skills for coding and speaking (but my ex-boss used to be good at both of these things) but I'm pretty good at finance because I like that and I'm also a graduate in accounting.
a boss only needs to maintain a balance (financial, employee, and client comfort) of his/her company, for other matters he needs experts from his/her employees because a boss can't possibly take care of everything and is also not smart in everything, it needs balance.

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Quote from: Theones on November 21, 2022, 06:50:34 PM

insecure people would not do that - they would like to have people who will be under their command
but visionary people are okie with hiring smart people them than them

Well, insecure people or employers wouldn't find success if they're going to let themselves get into politics just as the way they think. But if they're smart enough, they wouldn't think about it and ego isn't going to be a matter to them.

What they'll mostly think is that, "this smart person will make money lots of people". Simple as that.

Quote from: sovie on November 21, 2022, 07:23:53 PM

there is a difference between hard work and the smart work - the smart worker are more efficient and bring so much value to the company but then most of them are arrogant too = they would leave the job at any moment to better himself

That's pride whenever someone thinks about leaving the job any time they want because no one is better than them. I think many employers are giving the importance about attitude and next is intelligence.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

I think a businessman will indeed be happy when he has smart employees. but I think being smart is not enough, they also have to be kind and honest. This is to balance the intelligence possessed by employees. because those who are smart sometimes use their intelligence to do something wrong. as you might expect.
a good businessman, actually will not bind his employees for a long time. I once listened to a company leader scolding his employees who had worked for 10 years at his company. he says don't take long, you are here 3-5 years. take the knowledge and create your own business. I don't want to see you old in my company.
Companies will grow well when their leaders and employees have the same mission.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

Hasn't this become a common fact? Rich people hire smart people. And in fact there was no significant impact even though various thefts of business ideas occurred by employees. What smart people can't do is experience doing business, smart people only work on orders, they don't feel when the business fails and how to develop alternative ideas.

I wonder why Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba said that hiring lazy people is better because they find solution to problems the easiest ways, he claimed lazy people are better than hardworking people, meaning hardworking people goes the hardest way and lazy people goes the easiest way.

Is this a lame idea from Jack Ma?

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

Hasn't this become a common fact? Rich people hire smart people. And in fact there was no significant impact even though various thefts of business ideas occurred by employees. What smart people can't do is experience doing business, smart people only work on orders, they don't feel when the business fails and how to develop alternative ideas.

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Quote from: Flexystar on November 21, 2022, 01:33:05 PM

It depends on various facts though. What type business it is, how it runs and what are the required skills for the same?

I tend to agree with this answer, it depends on what type of business.
Hiring smarter employees is a wise decision and it could they are good assets in your company, they were like a gem.

You should know the consequences of possibly stealing ideas, I have been working in a known fast-food chain (Jollibee) for 5 years but I didn't know until now how they process the food because it's all a pre-heat process. Something like that, you should prefer all the consequences in the future, and hiring the smartest employees isn't a big deal, instead a good asset in your company.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

Totally depending on the owner, if he does have this kind of mindset then so be it.He has all the power and criteria on choosing on its employees, but how he could really determine if someone is that smart or just simply looking smart? Screening would really be not that precise if we do talk on being smart yet there are some smart but not really that productive due to some reasons.
You cant able to determine if your employee is smart on direct point of view but rather it would really be that needed takes time before you could
able to point out if he's smart or not but in overall this is really just too much to ask.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

Only for the slave owner, the labor force is totally stupider than the "employer"

I explain with a very simple example: A businessman is a person who implements IDEAS by finding areas on the market where you can earn money. Yes, no romanticism - and profit drives business. There are some other goals but they are not so significant.

So. Take Elon Musk as an example

We will not dig deep now, but let's be honest - a smart, cunning, purposeful businessman, and a public figure. But what would he do himself, without ENGINEERS smarter than him, PROGRAMMERS smarter than him, CHEMISTS smarter than him? So that we now see instead of Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX? His mind alone was not enough, moreover, in many practical areas, in terms of knowledge, he loses much to the specialists he hired. By the way, the recruitment in his companies is carried out by HR specialists who are smarter than him in the field of personnel assessment and selection

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The following is a good read entitled "why I never hire brillant men". It does an excellent job of addressing the topic.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Why_I_Never_Hire_Brilliant_Men

The concept of human intelligence could be a myth. While there are people who specialize in certain areas of study. Specialization usually does not translate to greater average competency. Being 10/10 in math doesn't translate to being 10/10 in other human endeavors. The confidence that comes with excellence in singular fields could be an illusion to a certain extent. This is something we have seen repeatedly throughout history in terms of people overestimating their capabilities and productiveness while underestimating the obstacles and problems they will face. With catastrophic results. Whether its star citizen in the modern era or nazi germany underestimating the russian winter in WW II. The idea that people approach things rationally and logically while being concerned primarily with facts is a trend which is far more associated with rarity than normality.

The idea that smart people exist could also be a myth. The correct term could be specialization, which usually does not translate into a broad range of competency.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies?

Stealing ideas is illegal if they are patented. And a list of clients + idea is not enough to start most businesses. You need capital and time, and there's a huge risk that you won't get enough customers. Plus being smart does not guarantee success in everything. A boss might not understand every intricacy of the field they operate in, but have a good business sense.

If someone hires only mediocre people out of fear of them surpassing the employer, such business is not likely to survive the competition in the long run.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working?

I agree on that style because that's how companies do, you hire the best people even the people that are smarter than you. This is the reason why rich people become richer because they're hiring people who are smarter than them but works harder for them.

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

What are the possible intentions behind doing this?

Nothing, other than being wise and letting these people work for them. They hire smarter people than them but they're the wisest one.

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

That's normal. But there are smart employees that would like to have job security instead of applying the ideas they've learned from their boss'.

there is a difference between hard work and the smart work - the smart worker are more efficient and bring so much value to the company but then most of them are arrogant too = they would leave the job at any moment to better himself

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working?

I agree on that style because that's how companies do, you hire the best people even the people that are smarter than you. This is the reason why rich people become richer because they're hiring people who are smarter than them but works harder for them.

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

What are the possible intentions behind doing this?

Nothing, other than being wise and letting these people work for them. They hire smarter people than them but they're the wisest one.

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

That's normal. But there are smart employees that would like to have job security instead of applying the ideas they've learned from their boss'.

insecure people would not do that - they would like to have people who will be under their command
but visionary people are okie with hiring smart people them than them

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working?

I agree on that style because that's how companies do, you hire the best people even the people that are smarter than you. This is the reason why rich people become richer because they're hiring people who are smarter than them but works harder for them.

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

What are the possible intentions behind doing this?

Nothing, other than being wise and letting these people work for them. They hire smarter people than them but they're the wisest one.

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

That's normal. But there are smart employees that would like to have job security instead of applying the ideas they've learned from their boss'.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

Back then in the University (college), there is this popular talk that the "A" students usually end up being employed by the "D" students who while in school, already recognized that school was not their thing and started businesses. Some people who are not good with book work can be very good and creative in business and life. As an employer, and someone who has been able to package a business, your business now needs some professionals and specialist who can carry out your ideas to standard.

You should not be afraid to employ smart people, it is for the benefit of your business and company.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

Definitely a good decision. They can be your big assets in your company to achieve faster your company’s goals and become successful eventually. And also, you can ask for them some new and interesting ideas that they think will be of great help for the company’s growth and success. So the process will be very smooth sailing. Whether they also sees you to be their stepping stone, well this is even better because at least you have helped them to become successful in their own career too once they decide to separate from your company.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

This is even a great edge having those brilliant minds working for you because they can do well in their respective jobs and they can be trusted enough to meet the success of the company. So they will always contribute to the growth of the company, and definitely not the other way around. However, it’s a good thing that they will also learn from you, because you can be their own inspiration to do better in their jobs and find their own success in the future.

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Quote from: bitmover on November 21, 2022, 02:45:52 PM

Life is not so linear. There isn't such thing as a smart number and people are like in a line over that.
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Correctly said.
There is no universal scale which determines who is smarter than another and the degree of said difference. People have their strengths and weakness and as an employee, or business owner, your job is to utilize the strengths of people you employ and find ways to minimize the effect of their weakness.

There are key factors to a business and as an owner, you cannot be equally skilled in the various areas. A great project design would need good marketing, and this involves hiring people smarter than you in that field, same with finances, Human Resource, customer service etcetera.

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

There are so many facets to running a business and as an owner, you choose what slide someone gets to see, which is relevant to the execution of their roles.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 01:02:53 PM

I was listening to a YouTube video by a famous business man and he was saying that he prefers to hire employees who are smarter than him. Do you agree with this style of working? What are the possible intentions behind doing this? Isn't their fear that these smart employees can steal ideas from office or get client details and then start their own companies? What is your view regarding this?

Having smart employees is definitely an advantage since they can serve as assets in the company. If I am an employer, I would not resort into thinking that I will be taken advantage in the end, instead we can work hand in hand for the success of the company. If ever they will decide to stand on their own and build their own companies, I guess it should be my pride since they were able to learn from me, and for me atleast I’m thankful that I will be part of their success sooner.

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