Do you believe in gambling experts predictions? - page 6.

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Quote from: hahay on August 04, 2024, 02:36:52 PM

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Yes, it is basically better to have your own predictions because after all, following expert predictions is also not a complete victory. Perhaps, experts have more access to making predictions but still, bad luck can also be experienced and or happen to them. Worse, when the bad luck happens and at the same time we are in they prediction and thus, we will also experience or get a loss.

So yes, it would be better to make predictions independently even though it is possible that our knowledge is limited. But over time we will also experience many events that will certainly make our experience increase. After all, even though experts have succeeded in making a lot of money in gambling, but in reality we cannot equate their fate with ours, because everyone's fate is of course different.

Even the experts knowledge is limited.

The thing is that it doesn't make too much sense to pay for someone else's odds, because if you think about it, they would be much better off simply betting themselves with their own odds and not sharing it with others if they were any good.

But, because they are not better than chance, they just take the fee and run.

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Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 04:19:34 PM

Quote from: Dewi Aries on August 04, 2024, 02:32:42 PM

Yes, this is a fraudulent method that relies on an unusual strategy, or what I mean is that people who claim to be experts make the lure of victory something that will attract the attention of gamblers with sweet promises that everything that gamblers hope for can come true when they use the signals or predictions offered.

Those promises' sweet syndrome on players enables them to pay without calculating. In times of loss, the player would blame himself rather than the channel owner. Some people would come right after the game to share photos of their slips, showing how they won. And they are thanking the admin for his help. All those familiarities are social engineering to get people to try again. Maybe they needed to get it right. Gambling, perhaps, becomes more difficult for players who patronize such services. The con expert does not influence the player's journey.

True, one thing that makes a gambler not do any consideration or calculation before they make a decision is because maybe they see that the signal provided by the channel is definitely good and has a higher chance than if they do it themselves, even though it is clear if we return to the core of gambling, namely the results of the game will never be predicted by anyone 100% accurately.

On the other hand, you have shown a scenario that I think is a fact carried out by the channel service, where maybe they will hire some people who are indirectly assigned to pretend to bet until the betting slip comes out with the winning results and promote it to others to make people interested and then try it in the hope of getting the same results.

And that is something that is very likely to happen or be done by the owner of the channel to increase people's trust. That is a smart strategy and I am sure there will be many people who become victims, especially those who gamble with the intention of making money, but I am sure that if you are able to maintain your rational mindset well then that should not happen to you.

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Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 04:19:34 PM

Quote from: Dewi Aries on August 04, 2024, 02:32:42 PM

Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 01:30:52 PM

Most players need to prepare to do the analysis. Self-proclaimed experts fake those wins for marketing purposes, and naive people easily fall for such a trick. Nobody will align with an expert who doesn't promote fake winning slips. It's a con method to take up people's money. Apparently, it's the only way to win through gambling, offering prediction services to gamblers.

Yes, this is a fraudulent method that relies on an unusual strategy, or what I mean is that people who claim to be experts make the lure of victory something that will attract the attention of gamblers with sweet promises that everything that gamblers hope for can come true when they use the signals or predictions offered.

Those promises' sweet syndrome on players enables them to pay without calculating. In times of loss, the player would blame himself rather than the channel owner. Some people would come right after the game to share photos of their slips, showing how they won. And they are thanking the admin for his help. All those familiarities are social engineering to get people to try again. Maybe they needed to get it right. Gambling, perhaps, becomes more difficult for players who patronize such services. The con expert does not influence the player's journey.

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Being someone who have gotten myself involved in such activity before, I can perfectly understand what you have said, and it's the simple truth..
There have been a time when I joined a certain betting channel/group on telegram, I monitored the group for a while and saw that several users were always posting screenshot of huge wins, sometimes in numbers as large as hundreds of thousands of dollars, and claim they started betting on that admn's calls with a mere $10 or $15, and was able to grow it to that tens of thousands, and hundreds of thousands of dollars within a space of few months, or few years.
At a point, I got convinced and decided to try the calls since they were for free, the admin does not charge for his calls, I started betting on the calls, I won some, lost most, I continued and after 1 months, I decided to make a complete accessment of wins and loses, I discovered I had lost way more money than I had won, that is when I stopped.

Betting is best if you are researching and taking decisions on your own, this way, you know you are solely responsible for your losses or wins.

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Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 04:19:34 PM

Quote from: Dewi Aries on August 04, 2024, 02:32:42 PM

Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 01:30:52 PM

Most players need to prepare to do the analysis. Self-proclaimed experts fake those wins for marketing purposes, and naive people easily fall for such a trick. Nobody will align with an expert who doesn't promote fake winning slips. It's a con method to take up people's money. Apparently, it's the only way to win through gambling, offering prediction services to gamblers.

Yes, this is a fraudulent method that relies on an unusual strategy, or what I mean is that people who claim to be experts make the lure of victory something that will attract the attention of gamblers with sweet promises that everything that gamblers hope for can come true when they use the signals or predictions offered.

Those promises' sweet syndrome on players enables them to pay without calculating. In times of loss, the player would blame himself rather than the channel owner. Some people would come right after the game to share photos of their slips, showing how they won. And they are thanking the admin for his help. All those familiarities are social engineering to get people to try again. Maybe they needed to get it right. Gambling, perhaps, becomes more difficult for players who patronize such services. The con expert does not influence the player's journey.

The con experts will continue to benefits from that kind of service as long as there are people who are willing to take part of this kind of business, like what you said there are some who manage to win and thank the provider but more or less they will lose it back if they will not be wise not to take another shot, knowing how casino/bookies works, they understand the potentials and they will do everything to prevent being a cash cow to anyone.

The system will continue to adjust so even how good the tipsters there's always a big risk behind that, better to bet on your own and enjoy whatever the outcomes.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on August 04, 2024, 02:32:42 PM

Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 01:30:52 PM

Most players need to prepare to do the analysis. Self-proclaimed experts fake those wins for marketing purposes, and naive people easily fall for such a trick. Nobody will align with an expert who doesn't promote fake winning slips. It's a con method to take up people's money. Apparently, it's the only way to win through gambling, offering prediction services to gamblers.

Yes, this is a fraudulent method that relies on an unusual strategy, or what I mean is that people who claim to be experts make the lure of victory something that will attract the attention of gamblers with sweet promises that everything that gamblers hope for can come true when they use the signals or predictions offered.

Those promises' sweet syndrome on players enables them to pay without calculating. In times of loss, the player would blame himself rather than the channel owner. Some people would come right after the game to share photos of their slips, showing how they won. And they are thanking the admin for his help. All those familiarities are social engineering to get people to try again. Maybe they needed to get it right. Gambling, perhaps, becomes more difficult for players who patronize such services. The con expert does not influence the player's journey.

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Quote from: Unbunplease on December 31, 2023, 05:04:41 PM

If a person predicts the results correctly, what's the point of putting the predictions out in the open? You can take out a loan from the bank and pay it back quickly - and then only make a profit. After all, the predictions are accurate .... Or are they? If not - what kind of a bad person do you have to be to sell inaccurate predictions?

I always ask myself the same question, most punters claim to have accurate predictions but they are not rich, instead they depend on people to subscribe to their websites or channels, this has become a new scheme people use to make money.. it's a shame that some gullible people are still falling for this, at the end of the day it becomes a double loss for them.. Although not every punter or whatever they call themselves claims that their games are hundred percent accurate, there few of them that are not out to defraud people

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Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 01:30:52 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on August 04, 2024, 10:09:19 AM

Yeah right, there's always explanation when they lose and they keep giving that positive vibes where subscribers will continue to support them and pay them, it's a win-win for those people while for the subscibers it's an additional risk since that there's no assurance that the prediction will win.

They already pay the providers while the potential winning still hanging on the result of the game, it's still better to pick on your own and let your knowledge lead you the way to win.

Most players need to prepare to do the analysis. Self-proclaimed experts fake those wins for marketing purposes, and naive people easily fall for such a trick. Nobody will align with an expert who doesn't promote fake winning slips. It's a con method to take up people's money. Apparently, it's the only way to win through gambling, offering prediction services to gamblers.

Even these things had already gone busted but there are really that significant numbers of people or bettors which are usually newbie who are really that believing that these things are really that possible
or something that makes that guaranteed profits on which we know that when it comes to this aspect on where you wont really be able to make yourself believe that guaranteed wins does exist not unless if those
informations that leaked out were true and legit. As for those people who would really be trying to join up these groups are the ones who do really been wasting up some money just because just like on what
everyone is really that saying on which on the time or moment that you do play on sports betting then everything could really be turning different.

We are all could really be making out our own prediction but of course there would really be people who are really tha lazy on which they wont really be bothering up themselves on trying out to be independent.
This one is really just that making your own prediction basing up into your own analysis is much better and something which is recommended.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on August 02, 2024, 06:06:31 PM

No, not completely. You could use their predictions, observations, etc., as a basis for your analysis. You know, to get an idea of what others think of the match. For me, this is better than buying someone's prediction. At the end of the day, no one can fully predict the outcome of the match, and you still need luck no matter what kind of gambling you are into.

Yes, it is basically better to have your own predictions because after all, following expert predictions is also not a complete victory. Perhaps, experts have more access to making predictions but still, bad luck can also be experienced and or happen to them. Worse, when the bad luck happens and at the same time we are in they prediction and thus, we will also experience or get a loss.

So yes, it would be better to make predictions independently even though it is possible that our knowledge is limited. But over time we will also experience many events that will certainly make our experience increase. After all, even though experts have succeeded in making a lot of money in gambling, but in reality we cannot equate their fate with ours, because everyone's fate is of course different.

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Quote from: Accardo on August 04, 2024, 01:30:52 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on August 04, 2024, 10:09:19 AM

Yeah right, there's always explanation when they lose and they keep giving that positive vibes where subscribers will continue to support them and pay them, it's a win-win for those people while for the subscibers it's an additional risk since that there's no assurance that the prediction will win.

They already pay the providers while the potential winning still hanging on the result of the game, it's still better to pick on your own and let your knowledge lead you the way to win.

Most players need to prepare to do the analysis. Self-proclaimed experts fake those wins for marketing purposes, and naive people easily fall for such a trick. Nobody will align with an expert who doesn't promote fake winning slips. It's a con method to take up people's money. Apparently, it's the only way to win through gambling, offering prediction services to gamblers.

Yes, this is a fraudulent method that relies on an unusual strategy, or what I mean is that people who claim to be experts make the lure of victory something that will attract the attention of gamblers with sweet promises that everything that gamblers hope for can come true when they use the signals or predictions offered.
For normal people who are able to use common sense and rational thinking patterns correctly, I am sure that they will not be careless in terms of putting their trust in anyone, including people who claim to be experts, especially if there is absolutely no betting slip that is used as evidence of the success of the signals offered, and I am sure that the most likely victims will be those gamblers who are already addicted or gamblers who are being controlled by despair where it is unlikely for them to make any considerations at the beginning before deciding to use the service.

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Quote from: betswift on July 30, 2024, 01:49:18 AM

I agree! The additional tools are only for a good analyst, who already knows what he is doing (mostly), there will never be a 100% on any bet, however, it's always viable and possible to work a little bit harder to get a better understanding of the odds that are against you or on your side.

Some people always think that they have total control over what will happen in the game that they predict with total confidence and assurance.

They always stake a high amount of money in the belief that they will get a higher profit out of it, as if they are the ones who control the activity of whatever game option they play, which is one thing that always makes people spend more than they can afford to lose in gambling.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 04, 2024, 10:09:19 AM

Yeah right, there's always explanation when they lose and they keep giving that positive vibes where subscribers will continue to support them and pay them, it's a win-win for those people while for the subscibers it's an additional risk since that there's no assurance that the prediction will win.

They already pay the providers while the potential winning still hanging on the result of the game, it's still better to pick on your own and let your knowledge lead you the way to win.

Most players need to prepare to do the analysis. Self-proclaimed experts fake those wins for marketing purposes, and naive people easily fall for such a trick. Nobody will align with an expert who doesn't promote fake winning slips. It's a con method to take up people's money. Apparently, it's the only way to win through gambling, offering prediction services to gamblers.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 04, 2024, 10:09:19 AM

Yeah right, there's always explanation when they lose and they keep giving that positive vibes where subscribers will continue to support them and pay them, it's a win-win for those people while for the subscibers it's an additional risk since that there's no assurance that the prediction will win.

They already pay the providers while the potential winning still hanging on the result of the game, it's still better to pick on your own and let your knowledge lead you the way to win.

You describe very accurately the problem with those predictions, a gambler supposedly tries to get predictions from other people as a way to increase their chances of succeeding and mitigate their risk, however by paying upfront for predictions they are taking all the risk, as they are paying for a service they are not sure it is going to work, and if it does not, then not only they will lose their bet but they will lose any money that was used to pay for that service as well.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on August 02, 2024, 06:06:31 PM

No, not completely. You could use their predictions, observations, etc., as a basis for your analysis. You know, to get an idea of what others think of the match. For me, this is better than buying someone's prediction. At the end of the day, no one can fully predict the outcome of the match, and you still need luck no matter what kind of gambling you are into.

It is nothing but foolishness to take a bet from the prediction given by others. Those who give predictions analyze the results without analyzing the dynamics of the match, so the possibility of their results being correct is uncertain. But there are some experts whose predictions are correct most of the time in which case the predictor basically compares the strength of two teams in a match and analyzes the results. For example, in a T20 match between Bangladesh and India, no matter how many experts we accept, the chances of Bangladesh defeating India will be very low. If an analyst has given Bangladesh more chances of winning, then if the prediction of that analyst is accepted then there will definitely be a loss.

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Quote from: Accardo on August 02, 2024, 04:46:21 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on August 02, 2024, 02:28:05 AM

It's the safest way to practice better to gain knowledge from those who are sharing their picks and not just to blindly follow them, gamblers who wants to have some edge will surely analyze the situation before they release theyir money and place their bets, there are experienced gamblers who can give decent information though it's needed a thourough reveiw and your own analysis to give a better chance to your bets.

Gambling experts can always claim something but to prove it that's where the trick is coming, win or lose they can gain from those who support and follow them not for just for the paid subscriptions but more on the traffics and ads that they are gaining.

It's a huge market, and people love the idea. It is unclear why they love an idea that doesn't guarantee a win. Some of these prediction providers are all over social media, sharing how they've won a massive amount in a single game. They never share a post where they've lost a game. But find a way to justify why their subscriber loses in the same game. That's weird, but the players are not bothered because their next game could be favorable. However, it's a win-win for the match predictors; they have much to gain.

Yeah right, there's always explanation when they lose and they keep giving that positive vibes where subscribers will continue to support them and pay them, it's a win-win for those people while for the subscibers it's an additional risk since that there's no assurance that the prediction will win.

They already pay the providers while the potential winning still hanging on the result of the game, it's still better to pick on your own and let your knowledge lead you the way to win.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on August 02, 2024, 01:53:36 AM

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If that predictions is based on a good analysis then you can try it, just make sure to have your own separate analysis for your peace of mind.
I just don't like the idea of sharing some profit to that self-claimed expert because that's your own money and you didn't sign to any contract for that kind of agreement. Well, I personally don't listen that much to any prediction though I tried watching to some streamers and heard their suggestions but still I make sure to confirm their prediction if i think its ok, then i'll place a bet too.

The thing is, you don't even know if their predictions are well analyzed, some of them just randomly pick games or copy predictions from somewhere, their main aim is to just attract traffic to their page or channel, but like you said it's always good to have your own prediction so you can properly checkmate the matches before playing, I normally watch some prediction videos on YouTube before making my selections but I don't just take their predictions like that, I always run my analysis first before making my decision

Those guys who keep creating YouTube channels and Telegram channels to give tips are scammers who take advantage of people's naivety, mainly because they know that when people enter the world of gambling they want to make quick profits, so scammers when they create Telegram channels and YouTube channels make big promises like saying that people can get rich with sports betting, they show photos of them while they are in some luxury hotel, they show photos and videos of luxury cars and the saddest thing is that people believe it

let's look at this case for example:

Quote from: https://www.rebelbetting.com/your-tipster-is-a-scam

5 reasons why you should stop following tipsters

There is no guarantee that the tipster’s predictions will be profitable in the long run.

It can be difficult to trust the advice given by a tipster who is reliant on the success of their tips for personal gain

Following a tipster can be expensive in terms of fees.

Following a tipster doesn’t give you any insight into the markets and statistics.

Time is money. You should put your money to work elsewhere.

source: https://www.rebelbetting.com/your-tipster-is-a-scam

On this site they are talking about something that is useful, but at the last point they start talking about another way that people can make money with sports betting, but this way they are talking about seems to me to be another form of scam. By this I mean that we have to be very careful with the advice that internet sites give, because nowadays everyone wants to make money even if it is using dirty methods.

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No, not completely. You could use their predictions, observations, etc., as a basis for your analysis. You know, to get an idea of what others think of the match. For me, this is better than buying someone's prediction. At the end of the day, no one can fully predict the outcome of the match, and you still need luck no matter what kind of gambling you are into.

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Quote from: K8 Crypto on July 28, 2024, 09:32:35 PM

Gambling predictions can be interesting and sometimes insightful, but they're not guarantees. Expert analysts may have valuable knowledge about odds, trends, and strategies. However, gambling inherently involves chance, and no one can predict outcomes with certainty.

We encourage our players to approach gambling responsibly and view expert predictions as one of many tools for making informed decisions. Ultimately, each player should gamble within their means and for entertainment purposes.

Everything can be interesting if that can make some profit financially or mentally. As there is no guarantee whether the prediction will be perfect or not it can't be interesting if there is no benefit eg no winning. And if no perfect prediction can happen then it is useless and anyone can do that randomly.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 02, 2024, 02:28:05 AM

It's the safest way to practice better to gain knowledge from those who are sharing their picks and not just to blindly follow them, gamblers who wants to have some edge will surely analyze the situation before they release theyir money and place their bets, there are experienced gamblers who can give decent information though it's needed a thourough reveiw and your own analysis to give a better chance to your bets.

Gambling experts can always claim something but to prove it that's where the trick is coming, win or lose they can gain from those who support and follow them not for just for the paid subscriptions but more on the traffics and ads that they are gaining.

It's a huge market, and people love the idea. It is unclear why they love an idea that doesn't guarantee a win. Some of these prediction providers are all over social media, sharing how they've won a massive amount in a single game. They never share a post where they've lost a game. But find a way to justify why their subscriber loses in the same game. That's weird, but the players are not bothered because their next game could be favorable. However, it's a win-win for the match predictors; they have much to gain.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on August 02, 2024, 01:53:36 AM

The thing is, you don't even know if their predictions are well analyzed, some of them just randomly pick games or copy predictions from somewhere, their main aim is to just attract traffic to their page or channel, but like you said it's always good to have your own prediction so you can properly checkmate the matches before playing, I normally watch some prediction videos on YouTube before making my selections but I don't just take their predictions like that, I always run my analysis first before making my decision

Well analyzed is subjective, the important thing is if there winning is really coming as they predict this games but deep down, there is nothing as expert predictions until your prediction goes as expected which are rare to see in many occasions. Having predicted games win is like telling people to do as you say and they will make money if they do as you say but that's not possible. If indeed it's possible, they would have make the money on their own.

If winning is so easy, will they really want to share the strategy predictions with the public. It's because they are just try and error thing that's why they are been shared to the public so everyone can try with their money. Even the premium platform are nothing but fake groups, they don't win anything and when they do, they loss the next 10 games back to back.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on August 02, 2024, 11:19:19 AM

For me, laziness and the lack of self-belief are the main reasons why people would be turning to gambling predictions from external sources, especially with sports betting. But I can still pardon those who are willing to gamble but do not have the time to do the forecast due to important reasons, they can turn to experts to benefit easily from them but they must ensure that they did thorough research before they entrust their money with any expert's prediction, especially the one's that are premium.

Well I will also like to inform you that it's not just laziness all the time while that can also contribute anyways. You will still need to look at the fact that it's not everyone that can actually predict matches on their own without external sources and can't say those people are also lazy per say because it's not their fault that they cannot predict on their own. Such people oftentimes need ideas from external sources to be able to predict with accuracy.

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Gambling is easy to learn and the information needed is always readily available on the internet if we want it. We just need to be reasonable with the interpretations and we will be winning often without stressing ourselves with external sources that will make us dependent on them.

I don't know on the bases of your own perspective about gambling but I can say that gambling is not easy. At least not as easy as you may make it sound. You will need to do extra work to be able to gamble accurately and profitably. When you gambling, you also hVe to consider the aspect that gambling is a game of chances and also require a lot of calculative efforts of probability.

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