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legendary
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May 26, 2024, 04:49:12 PM
Yes 100%.  Do I think it's rampant all over the league and worldwide pro sports, no.  There are always outliers in this arena but for sure.  There are known fixed pro sporting events in the past and it wouldn't be any different now.  I like to bet on sports where the stars make tons of money already so I know they are dis incentivized to throw a game and keep it clean.
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May 26, 2024, 04:10:08 PM
#99
I do because there are facts you can google that prove match fixing happened from time to time and still does to this day. It's not something you can believe in or not, like angels, heaven and hell, ghosts and so on. It's a proven fact that match are fixed from time to time, especially in contact sports where it's relatively easy. If someone paid me enough money, I would consider losing a fight, especially if this was going to be the end of my career anyway.
In football it's much more common in the lower leagues, and non existent in on the championship levels, but it's there. We can't say we don't believe in it because there's no proof.
Match-fixing definitely exists, in a sport, in all leagues there must be a possibility of doing such a thing, but indeed the most difficult thing is that we cannot verify it clearly and it is only an assumption, not only the team or the governing body, even the referee's decision will definitely harm one party or another as a form of match-fixing.

This in the big leagues may be very difficult to believe like in the EPL. La liga, Serie A, Europa league, champion league it is very difficult to do match-fixing because there will be a lot of people who pay attention to it, but in the minor leagues more of this kind of thing is found if you really want to uncover it.

This is subjective because we don't have evidence but we can see a lot of other people's opinions to be able to get a conclusion whether it is right or wrong, if most people here say that matches that are arranged on purpose exist then I think it is enough as credible data to confirm this.
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May 26, 2024, 04:00:32 PM
#98
sure match fixing is something real. but happens very often in minor leagues or minor sports.
there is an economic incentive... less interests, less people looking...

I doubt that at certain levels it happens (especially nowadays where everything is tracked, recorded, etc etc)
in general when a match is truly fixing, the game odds have gone crazy and it is clear that there are some things that are wrong
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May 26, 2024, 03:58:41 PM
#97
but I don't think it's very difficult to prove, just think of the scandal that involved the biggest Serie A clubs and they were clubs that were very well covered by people who counted a lot in Italy, just think of Agnelli or AC Milan (teams that were relegated) so in itself it is not difficult to discover the problems of match fixing, in teams, the problem is when there are entire federations that already decide who should win, look at FIFA and Infantino with Argentina in my opinion already awarding a world championship in that place without rules is already a scam in itself but the world is so money power
Things like this actually look rare for big competitions like Serie A, EPL or other big leagues both domestic competitions and big competitions like the Champions League but indeed things like this are rampant for those whose leagues are rarely exposed and indeed this is a money field for competitions that are not too famous so arrangements like this can still happen.

Unless there are some conditions that really become a necessity as is happening now where there is an indictment for Paqueta at West ham who is considered to be involved in the practice of match fixing where he is considered to have asked for a card in 4 matches to have an impact on betting in gambling. Currently, this kind of thing is still rampant to happen, it's just that the longer it is, especially with fairplay always promoted, it is indeed a situation that is difficult to detect for the big leagues except for smaller competitions and leagues that are not famous.
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May 26, 2024, 03:52:26 PM
#96
I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour?
Is it happening? Yes! Is it allowed, No! The offense is a permanent ban from football in advertent cases.. FIFA introduced the VAR to work against partial refereeing and favouritism.

However, as I believe, non of that happens in the premier League; it has even more stricter rules than any league in the world. Maybe that's why they've grown so popular? maybe not.
Sometimes, it's more profitable to the league owners to award whoever they feel is giving their best than try to allow people vye for it.
So it is easier for individuals who want to do this to bribe players or referees, and can even bribe the club.
that'll be for them to lose ? There gotta be two clubs involved if they're seeking a winner.
legendary
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May 26, 2024, 03:32:26 PM
#95
Actually this NBA play-offs made me belief that the entire games are rigged in a way or another because I never seen anything like this in previous years and I doubt the circus will stop anytime soon. Per example if we take Mavs vs Wolves game 2 , Wolves blew out a 18 points lead in just 6 minutes and the referees were calling fault anytime mavs was in penalty area so no wonder why they made that comeback but nothing to say against Luka who is a phenomenal player and with outstanding skills.

There are also some suspect games in NHL as well but that puck is really hard to track sometimes but I really don't believe Edmonton Oilers deserve to be here because they prove nothing and same goes for Rangers who had a lucky series so far against Hurricanes who really deserved to win that series.
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May 26, 2024, 02:19:56 PM
#94
I think match fixing really existed on if not all maybe some sports worldwide including combat sports. Match fixing is really annoying on our part as a gambler as it could turn against our bets right on the spot. But that will of course decrease teams reputation and other involved parties.
Even I saw that in my own country's league some who were involved in match-fixing were punished for being caught, this is certainly the case in some countries as well because many mafias are involved and they also bet big money just so they can arrange matches, while for small bettors like us we don't know anything and only see the news after a long time coming back to be exposed so obviously this is annoying.

Maybe now the match-fixing is tighter where the mafia is only a little involved or even no longer exists for other big European leagues, but I can't deny that it still exists in the minor leagues because they can arrange it.
Match fixing does exist, many cases, especially football, have been exposed in the media where it has been proven legally and convincingly that the results of a match were manipulated. Now it seems that match fixing rarely happens, because if it is discovered the risks are quite big, and it can make fans disappointed with the game, especially football. Currently, football is not just a sport or a game, it is an industry that generates a lot of money, and involves many parties, including individuals or groups who want to make a profit through wrong means.

Match fixing often occurs in lower and less well known leagues, and is more common in countries where legal certainty is low. So it is easier for individuals who want to do this to bribe players or referees, and can even bribe the club. As far as I remember, the Juventus case was probably one of the most outrageous that ever happened, I remember they were sanctioned by having two trophies revoked and being relegated to Serie B.
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May 26, 2024, 02:12:08 PM
#93
I believe that match fixing exists in all sporting events, especially in football. Actually, match fixing is not always based on gambling. There are two types of match fixing in football, namely arranged match-fixing and gambling match-fixing. Arranged match-fixing occurs when corruptors manipulate a football match to ensure one team loses or draws. Meanwhile, gambling match-fixing occurs when corruptors manipulate with the aim of gaining maximum profit in the betting market. However, gambling does influence the results of sporting matches a lot because many people bet. So the main goal is definitely profit. Basically, match fixing is not cheating behavior. Score fixing occurs when a party agrees to lose, draw, or win for the other party by not trying their best.

One of the biggest score-fixing scandals in football, and involved big clubs such as Juventus, AC Milan and Fiorentina who were found to be fixing match results through influencing the referee, around 2006. Starting from an investigation into the Italian consulting office GEA World, telephone recordings were spread which involved Juventus general manager, Luciano Moggi, to be able to arrange the desired referee. Apart from Juventus, A.C. Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina are also involved. In the aftermath of this case, several club owners, referees and club officials involved received suspensions and prison sentences. I am sure that to this day match fixing still exists and this is in business and definitely produces big profits.
Controversy or not, match-fixing is real. Fair play and competition are being eaten away by this cancer. Gambling is a key factor, but not the only one. Ego, power, and money drive match-fixing. For personal benefit, corrupt administrators, greedy players, and unscrupulous gamblers will compromise the game. It's shocking greed and a violation of fans' faith in their teams and athletes. You cited the 2006 Calciopoli affair, but there's more. Match-fixing has plagued sports for decades and won't pass. We shouldnt give up in defeat, though. We must be diligent, uncover, and punish the guilty. Sport's future depends on it.
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May 26, 2024, 01:53:37 PM
#92
I think match fixing really existed on if not all maybe some sports worldwide including combat sports. Match fixing is really annoying on our part as a gambler as it could turn against our bets right on the spot. But that will of course decrease teams reputation and other involved parties.
Yes I think we could tell it depending on the game type. It's sad to say that something is rigged and already planned ahead in terms of sports, but as a gambler of the same genre the best thing to do is to adjust. You can chose whether to still bet on it or let it passed and wait for other games. You can chose whether you want to risk or better me preserve the capital that you have. It's an accountability of the gambler and I think that's the beauty of it.
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May 26, 2024, 01:48:36 PM
#91
I think match fixing really existed on if not all maybe some sports worldwide including combat sports. Match fixing is really annoying on our part as a gambler as it could turn against our bets right on the spot. But that will of course decrease teams reputation and other involved parties.
Even I saw that in my own country's league some who were involved in match-fixing were punished for being caught, this is certainly the case in some countries as well because many mafias are involved and they also bet big money just so they can arrange matches, while for small bettors like us we don't know anything and only see the news after a long time coming back to be exposed so obviously this is annoying.

Maybe now the match-fixing is tighter where the mafia is only a little involved or even no longer exists for other big European leagues, but I can't deny that it still exists in the minor leagues because they can arrange it.
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May 26, 2024, 01:36:53 PM
#90
I do because there are facts you can google that prove match fixing happened from time to time and still does to this day. It's not something you can believe in or not, like angels, heaven and hell, ghosts and so on. It's a proven fact that match are fixed from time to time, especially in contact sports where it's relatively easy. If someone paid me enough money, I would consider losing a fight, especially if this was going to be the end of my career anyway.
In football it's much more common in the lower leagues, and non existent in on the championship levels, but it's there. We can't say we don't believe in it because there's no proof.
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May 26, 2024, 01:18:34 PM
#89
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All this are just mere assumptions by people  who don't have a clue of what's going on in football. Football is unlike wrestling which is know to be for entertainment purpose only which make it a fixed match. Football is indeed a sport and a game were players are passionate about what they are doing to make a career for themselves. VAR was only made to help the easie of the works of the physical referees, though there are some wrong decisions referees make in matches and those refs are usually being finished after all their obvious wrong Rulings. And this is enough reason to prove that FIFA is still keeping that discipline of old.
Yes, thats just a conspiracy theory and assumption from some people who might be disappointed with the Tottenham vs Mancity result last week.
Its almost impossible to do a match fixing in a big and famous league such as the Premier League, supervision is very strict and salaries/contracts + bonuses for Premier League players are also big.
The players also didnt dare to do that, because if they were caught = the pubnshment and fines will be heavy, and their careers will also end.
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May 26, 2024, 01:10:58 PM
#88
At a point I never believe in fixed matches, but as time goes on, the information I have gathered so far has made to believe that matches are indeed fixed. Like the pools game which people predict draw on a frequent basis and most of those game played as predicted back to back. And there are formulas derived from most experts which happens to be as a result of previous fixed matches and the possibility of them to repeat itself again. For that reason I believe in fixed match because my dad always predict a pool game that is fixed and yet it played. Though not all time but most times it do play.
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May 26, 2024, 01:02:48 PM
#87
I think match fixing really existed on if not all maybe some sports worldwide including combat sports. Match fixing is really annoying on our part as a gambler as it could turn against our bets right on the spot. But that will of course decrease teams reputation and other involved parties.
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May 26, 2024, 12:57:33 PM
#86
I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour? Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this

All this are just mere assumptions by people  who don't have a clue of what's going on in football. Football is unlike wrestling which is know to be for entertainment purpose only which make it a fixed match. Football is indeed a sport and a game were players are passionate about what they are doing to make a career for themselves. VAR was only made to help the easie of the works of the physical referees, though there are some wrong decisions referees make in matches and those refs are usually being finished after all their obvious wrong Rulings. And this is enough reason to prove that FIFA is still keeping that discipline of old.
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May 26, 2024, 12:37:32 PM
#85
With the popularity of sports betting increasing inside the soccer industry, it was just a matter of time until we would start seeing the incidency of match fixing events also raising proportionally. Where people can't earn money legitimately, they will start creating mechanisms to earn it in shady ways. Then we have lots of cheaters also getting associated to soccer players in order to make guaranteed profit from the bets they place on a match's events.

I guess it's not a matter of believing matching fixing or not anymore. It's an undeniable fact which is happening in front of everyone's eyes. And this practice is totally compromising the legitimacy of soccer industry even on its highest levels, such as Serie A from different countries and leagues. Severe actions have to be taken against the individuals involved on this practice, in order to maintain the relevance of soccer for the world, otherwise people are going to lose the interest for the sport, not cheering anymore for any clubs, besides the gambling industry also being negatively impacted, since nobody will desire to bet anymore due to the lack of trust on legitimacy of games' results.
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May 26, 2024, 12:32:01 PM
#84
First of all, I didn't watch the match between Spurs and Manchester City. So, I can't examine it like what you put forward in this post. However, I'm not sure what you're saying. I don't know if this match is a match in Week 37, before City plays West Ham. or, at the previous meeting.  As for the drama that occurred between Son and Ederson, as you pointed out, I don't know, maybe it was a coincidence and that's what happened. The reason is, if there is something suspicious, perhaps Arsenal will suffer the most and there will definitely be a wave of responses from the football-loving public. Nevertheless, nothing special seems to have happened. So, I think it's just based on assumptions. After all, the Premier League is watched by football fans all over the world.

VAR is not the only one who can act as an assistant referee if something goes wrong or is intentional. but more than that, many football observers are of course looking at the Premier League. The question is, is this match fixing? I'm not sure, but I believe there was no fixing going on in that match. If there really was match fixing, it might have become a hot topic of conversation by now. I'm an Arsenal fan, but I still have to be objective in every assessment. after all, this is the Premier League. Even so, it does not rule out the possibility of match fixing occurring in the big leagues. Unfortunately, we don't know until a case comes to light. after all, we do not have the capacity of a judge. It is possible that match fixing practices in the big leagues still occur. however, they are also good at dressing it up so that the scenario is not known or even suspicious. especially in more professional leagues, the eyes of football fans all over the world will see and witness it.

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May 26, 2024, 12:25:56 PM
#83
I mean, keeping in mind the current state of the world and how corruption can appear to be all around us, I would not be surprised if matches of high leagues are also fixed.
I knew there were some match fixing present within small leagues and because of that I never felt compeled to bet on those. Though, you are talking about a very different kind of corruption and match fixing, which in order to function and stay undercover would need the complicity of very important authorities and presidents of sport federations.

In short, I think it could be going on, but it would be very difficult to prove, players will always deny their alledged involvement in match fixing, because in the same moment they admit their crime, they career and the credibility of the club would be over.
if anyone ever has some evidence of it happening, then it could be one of the biggest scandals on the history of football (depending on the players and clubs taking part on it)

but I don't think it's very difficult to prove, just think of the scandal that involved the biggest Serie A clubs and they were clubs that were very well covered by people who counted a lot in Italy, just think of Agnelli or AC Milan (teams that were relegated) so in itself it is not difficult to discover the problems of match fixing, in teams, the problem is when there are entire federations that already decide who should win, look at FIFA and Infantino with Argentina in my opinion already awarding a world championship in that place without rules is already a scam in itself but the world is so money power
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May 26, 2024, 12:23:11 PM
#82
I have heard so much about it but the most I know about it is how scammer use it to scam people of their money. I have seen many stories of people being scammed through this format of promising them fixed matches that eventually play the opposite of expectations. Those that use Facebook and can do minor search about fixed matches will be amazed at the number of pages and people promoting supposed fixed matches.

I am not saying that there are no fixed matches, such issue is a major problem, part of the reason VAR was introduced. My only point is that such information are classified and not available to the ordinary gamblers on the street. Imagine the damage such information can do the the gambling company, then it will become clear why such information will not be available to the public.
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May 26, 2024, 12:17:30 PM
#81
I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour? Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this
At the end of the season like now, many clubs compete without pursuing any targets. Let's say Madrid has lifted the trophy, but still has a match left. There are times when clubs have been confirmed to have passed the UCL. They no longer fight for it. This kind of thing can also be used for certain roles. But if the match is for the title, it's difficult to get into the realm you mentioned.
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