Topic: Do You Believe, "Passive Investors Make More Than Active Investors?" - page 2. (Read 830 times)
February 07, 2024, 08:43:03 AM
If I need to comment based on the amount of earnings, I can easily state that the answer will vary depending on the capital of two people who have passive and active income but if I need to comment in terms of percentage, the size of the situation will change. In fact, I can both claim that people with active income earn more and equally claim that people with passive income earn more across different scenarios. For example, let's say there is a house worth 500,000 euros that generates passive rental income. Of course, the rental income of this house will vary depending on the size, location, country, innovation and style of the house but it will not yield more than a few thousand euros per month. If a trader who actively trades earns more than this amount, even with a lower capital, we can easily claim that active income provides more profit. Of course, in this example, it is important to remember that passive income is a guarantee of continuity but active income isn't a guarantee of continuity. In summary, I can state that the answer to this question may vary depending on capital, preferred income method and continuity.
February 06, 2024, 10:46:02 PM
You think all those videos you watch on YouTube are real, well I know that some investors make passive income from their short term investment but you can't use it to compare what long term investors will achieve when their time come, which will be more massive than short term investors. I will advice you to embrace long term trading if you have the knowledge, because is profitable to those that exercise patience with their trading to wait for the right time to come before they can trade to make some reasonable incomes from the market. If you concentrate on this forum very well than YouTube, I believe you will get more impact since you are looking for impart of cryptocurrency trading because there are many experts traders here who can train you to become a potential traders in the future.
February 06, 2024, 09:03:00 PM
I agree some others here, "active" is a dubious term that is not really covering everyone. I get that it looks and sounds like it would be, but its not, because not everyone as good at being active as others. SO passive is better. Its really an easy thing, it doesn't really hurt you or do anything to harm you, as long as you can keep it holding then you should be fine and nothing will change. You should just simply end up with something that will benefit you, and that means we are going to end up with something that will benefit everyone if you hold. Obviously its hard emotional when you see it lower but we should not cause concern with those since the bull is right around the corner.
basically holding as long as the coin itself got potential its already obvious win if we invest at good price, when it literally dumps to the bottom, even better if it surpass all time low then we are already in the winning position.thats the thing with holding, we don't lose even if the market dumps if we don't sell, we can jsut continue holding and wait until the price climbs up then thats when we are winning big time.
its that easy but many people are get distracted once they've reached certain price point wanting to sell for some small profit but true holder know to always keep up until it hits all time high.
just like how many people are holding solana when it was at the very bottom and sell it at all time low basically made 10x profit with that alone.
at the end of the day it could also means that passive investors make much more money because they are faithful and also not easily shaken, active investors are usually always watching the chart 24/7.
February 06, 2024, 06:48:03 PM
I agree some others here, "active" is a dubious term that is not really covering everyone. I get that it looks and sounds like it would be, but its not, because not everyone as good at being active as others. SO passive is better. Its really an easy thing, it doesn't really hurt you or do anything to harm you, as long as you can keep it holding then you should be fine and nothing will change. You should just simply end up with something that will benefit you, and that means we are going to end up with something that will benefit everyone if you hold. Obviously its hard emotional when you see it lower but we should not cause concern with those since the bull is right around the corner.
February 06, 2024, 05:02:48 PM
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Not every member of the forum, in contrast to you, can stay away from trading. There are especially many such traders among beginners who want to earn a lot in a short time. Such traders cannot remain without a deal and if there are free funds in their wallet, they will definitely use them to open new orders.If a trader can make 2% profit every week - that means they can make 8% profit every month. In a year this trader can make 96% profits from trading - but passive investors may be able to make lower or higher percentage profits than that without spending much time on the market in the same period.
February 06, 2024, 04:37:04 PM
I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
In my opinion, this will depend on each individual's ability to optimize all opportunities for passive investment or active trading). And this is also most likely related to how much assets you hold for the long term. Because, however, when we only have assets with a fairly small amount, when we decide to invest in the long term, we should be able to calculate the size of the increase. which we will get from our capital funds later. So this will make us understand whether it is worth it or not. And this also depends on our opportunity and ability to survive.Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
Apart from that, if capital is too small or not large enough, some people also prefer to choose active investors or in this case carry out large investments in spot or other trading. Indeed, some people actually have the ability to get extra profits from this trading activity, as long as they are willing to continue learning and working hard. It won't be easy, believe me, trading is very risky and not easy. So it really takes more seriousness and understanding to get results that meet expectations. If not, then it is impossible to be successful.
February 06, 2024, 02:05:09 PM
~snip~I think you are just contracting the whole thing
There's trading;
There's short term investment;
There's long term investment.
If there's something I'm missing, please let me know.
There's trading;
There's short term investment;
There's long term investment.
- Someone who takes advantage of the daily price fluctuations to make money is a day trader
- Someone who buys a coin and in the next month or 2 observes that the coin has given 12% and decided to sell is a short term investor
- Someone who bought a coin and hold for 6months and above to 2, 3, 5yrs is a long term investor
If there's something I'm missing, please let me know.
Just need to adjust which one is more suitable to apply. Day trading may look easy, but it can't be done by those who don't understand market analysis and reading. I prefer to make short or long term investments for potential coins or become a Holder of Bitcoin because it will be profitable in the future. Becoming a trader is not easy, it requires fairly good trading knowledge and mastering all kinds of tools and indicators that will be used. traders not only sell and buy, but there will be strict analysis carried out.
February 06, 2024, 01:02:21 PM
As for passive investors if they're making more money, for me it's possible and if I'm comparing myself as a trader then I'll probably make less than just simply holding because it's stress free and I like more being passive than active because it's likely that you'll get to lose more and that's proven.
I believe that passive investors can make more money in some circumstances. For instance, a passive earner might have the opportunity to earn from 5 different sources since they are not spare heading anyone. This will not be possible for an active investor to multi task and still maintain efficiency. This is where I rate passive investment over an active investment. Anyone who can earn passively from upto 3 sources should be somewhat comfortable.I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
It sounds confusing to think trading is investing and investing includes what is called as short term investing.However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
Investment must be long term to be matched with its correct definition. When you call it is a short term investment, it is no longer investment but speculation. Day trading is different than speculation and let me explain.
Trading has nothing to do with expectation that price will rise more, the project will grow up more. You can trade with long or short, sell high buy low and enjoy short term price bounce.
Speculation has something relates to price growth, project growth but you don't plan to hold a coin too long, just speculate it is time to have the coin because you see price will rise soon. It is still different than investment that relates to strong belief that the project will grow up in long term.
There's trading;
There's short term investment;
There's long term investment.
- Someone who takes advantage of the daily price fluctuations to make money is a day trader
- Someone who buys a coin and in the next month or 2 observes that the coin has given 12% and decided to sell is a short term investor
- Someone who bought a coin and hold for 6months and above to 2, 3, 5yrs is a long term investor
If there's something I'm missing, please let me know.
February 06, 2024, 11:59:23 AM
How much money you can earn depends on your investment. If you invest a large amount of Bitcoin and are successful enough to invest, your earnings will increase. Usually the amount of money I earn will depend on my investments. You can earn as much as you succeed in investing. A cousin of mine became an overnight owner of a lot of money when he caught on to passive investing. But I have not done passive investing. I think passive investors are much less stressful than active investors. If we want to be stress free then of course we can invest passively.
When we say investment, it's not only limited to money but also time, effort and etc... that you put in. Doesn't matter if you are passive or active investor but as long as you do those, your earnings are going to be high. Your cousin is lucky. I don't think it can be achieved on a normal investment but he might have invested on a ponzi, shitcoin, or something? He need to be wise though if it's his first time.Since, the money can be returned and we can even lose more if we will let our greed to control us. Investments are usually passive but maybe the active ones is when use a DCA strategy for example and we buy per week or shorter periods of time.
February 06, 2024, 11:38:37 AM
Passive investing gives me more profit than active trading...My experience tells me something I was not good at trading but rather be good at investing. However, this never means that even if we are a passive investor but didn't make it the right way, it is not profitable anymore. Maybe my experience is the same as others and can be the opposite as well.
Whether it is right or wrong, the one that can answer this is ourselves. We can assess ourselves where are good at because some people showcase more impressive trading results than investing. Because I already know where I can make more money.
Whether it is right or wrong, the one that can answer this is ourselves. We can assess ourselves where are good at because some people showcase more impressive trading results than investing. Because I already know where I can make more money.
Not every member of the forum, in contrast to you, can stay away from trading. There are especially many such traders among beginners who want to earn a lot in a short time. Such traders cannot remain without a deal and if there are free funds in their wallet, they will definitely use them to open new orders.
February 06, 2024, 01:34:50 AM
I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.
Warren Buffet is a boomer after all. I don't think how he became successful would work at this time now.. or it might work but it's gonna take decades like how he did.Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.
so if you want some quick success then go with passive investment. or if you have enough patience then go with Active investments.
Both have their risks so be careful about that.
February 06, 2024, 12:26:39 AM
I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.
Warren Buffet is a boomer after all. I don't think how he became successful would work at this time now.. or it might work but it's gonna take decades like how he did.Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.
so if you want some quick success then go with passive investment. or if you have enough patience then go with Active investments.
Both have their risks so be careful about that.
February 05, 2024, 10:09:34 PM
Most of the youtube videos you watches out there doesn't have any quality to show that they are really making cool cash via day trading, you think day trading is that easily and so cheap as you may have think?
They show people what they are favorite to watch. Profit, massive profit, they shown in in their videos but it is similar to gambling. The bottom line is what is your net result, not short term result after some trades or some bets. In fact, with some trades or bets, profit can be gained but in long run, it's hard to achieve positive net-result.Youtubers simply don't show their long history of trading or gambling, only a snapshot to show they get profit.
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Boiling down to Warren Buffet, I don't know how knowledgeable he is towards bitcoin but I understood from him is that the volatility of Bitcoin doesn't allow him to freely have the final decision to invest in bitcoin since he thought that his investment could worth zero or even lose about 50 percent of his investment.
He is too old to adapt to new technology and evolution but he is smart and experienced to stay away from what he thinks too risky. With very huge capital managed by Berkshire Hathaway, he does not need to chase for high ROIs like small investors who are finding life-changing investment assets. 
February 05, 2024, 12:03:51 PM
Most of the youtube videos you watches out there doesn't have any quality to show that they are really making cool cash via day trading, you think day trading is that easily and so cheap as you may have think?
Well, if you must know YouTube influencers are the worst sets of people who lure beginners to feels like trading is so common without the knowledge to know that before one must involved himself into trading he must first go for knowledge and that doesn't just come with immediate effects after joining someone who knows more about it.
Boiling down to Warren Buffet, I don't know how knowledgeable he is towards bitcoin but I understood from him is that the volatility of Bitcoin doesn't allow him to freely have the final decision to invest in bitcoin since he thought that his investment could worth zero or even lose about 50 percent of his investment.
To me I know he knowledgeable hence should understand the principle and mechanism behind bitcoin.
Well, if you must know YouTube influencers are the worst sets of people who lure beginners to feels like trading is so common without the knowledge to know that before one must involved himself into trading he must first go for knowledge and that doesn't just come with immediate effects after joining someone who knows more about it.
Boiling down to Warren Buffet, I don't know how knowledgeable he is towards bitcoin but I understood from him is that the volatility of Bitcoin doesn't allow him to freely have the final decision to invest in bitcoin since he thought that his investment could worth zero or even lose about 50 percent of his investment.
To me I know he knowledgeable hence should understand the principle and mechanism behind bitcoin.
February 05, 2024, 10:33:10 AM
It's mixing things, you can't generalize, you even mention WB, so, like comparing a billionaire investor with someone who invests Thousands of dollars.
A trader needs money to eat, pay a bills, so, they invest " $1000" and puts it to production, they cannot expect "$1000" to become 2x,3x, etc., ah! what period of time: 1 week, 1 month, 1 year. So it does both.
A trader needs money to eat, pay a bills, so, they invest " $1000" and puts it to production, they cannot expect "$1000" to become 2x,3x, etc., ah! what period of time: 1 week, 1 month, 1 year. So it does both.
February 05, 2024, 09:27:29 AM
When it comes to cryptocurrency, passive investors will definitely make more money than an active investor. This is because there is a high tendency that traders will run at loss during their trading period. Also it is doesn't give you that rest of man when trading compare to a hodler, who just kept his bitcoin in his wallet and wait for a very long period of time before he will think of taking profit. The most benefiting side for a passive investor is the compounding profit that his bitcoin portfolio will generate for him, because from bitcoin price history, it shows that bitcoin price keeps increasing with timeline. I prefer to be a hodler, because your money is working for you all you need is to be patient with your long term investment. Traders stress themselves out reading charts, following signals, which will not still save them from acquiring losses.
February 05, 2024, 06:10:53 AM
Passive investing gives me more profit than active trading...My experience tells me something I was not good at trading but rather be good at investing. However, this never means that even if we are a passive investor but didn't make it the right way, it is not profitable anymore. Maybe my experience is the same as others and can be the opposite as well.
Whether it is right or wrong, the one that can answer this is ourselves. We can assess ourselves where are good at because some people showcase more impressive trading results than investing. Because I already know where I can make more money.
Whether it is right or wrong, the one that can answer this is ourselves. We can assess ourselves where are good at because some people showcase more impressive trading results than investing. Because I already know where I can make more money.
February 05, 2024, 04:38:13 AM
How much money you can earn depends on your investment. If you invest a large amount of Bitcoin and are successful enough to invest, your earnings will increase. Usually the amount of money I earn will depend on my investments. You can earn as much as you succeed in investing. A cousin of mine became an overnight owner of a lot of money when he caught on to passive investing. But I have not done passive investing. I think passive investors are much less stressful than active investors. If we want to be stress free then of course we can invest passively.
It is indeed that passive investing offers a lesser stress but make sure you are investing on a blue chips stocks or with the top coins and make sure to still monitor it so you can know if there's a big movement on your holdings especially if its a negative news. There's a theory saying that passive investing makes more money as they are preserving their money and not spending that much on the fees, also the active investors/traders are losing money actively and that's the risk they are willing to take for actively trading in the market. Both can actually be profitable, its just a matter of time and your strategy as well. 
February 05, 2024, 03:27:45 AM
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However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
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However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
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Day trading can give you more profits compared to only holding your investment for the long term but there are always more risks for you to face on day trading. More profit will always be tempting but if you don't have good analysis you will make your hard work money become lost in vain. Warren Buffet already missed the train so no wonder he will be against to Bitcoin, those who can't accept the development of the world will only complain that new technology is a scam, gambling, useless invention, etc.
Day trading is risky, I am not sure there's anyone who always makes a profit with day trading. People win & lose money so it can be very stressful in the long run. And there are no guarantees that you will end up with some profit, I experienced that when I thought I could day-trade. I made a profit here and there, but I had too many losses and bad calls, so day trading is not for me and I realized that not everyone can do it.
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“If you aren't willing to own a stock for ten years, don't even think about owning it for ten minutes.” Warren Buffett
I guess it's what passive investing is. You choose what you think it's good and you just hodl no matter what! In the end, it can pay off big time if you choose the right project to invest in. And Bitcoin is for sure one of the best-performing assets. I had more luck and I made more profit with some of my long-term investments.
February 04, 2024, 03:17:43 AM
I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.
Everyone has their own thinking and everyone wants to make their own analysis, whether they are businessmen, whether they are service professionals, but they make their own analysis of what Bitcoin is and Future besides what is the role of cryptocurrency but in my opinion cryptocurrency is not gambling I often see that it is both loss and gain. Even if you open a business, a real business that exists, you will still have to face both the benefits and the losses take example if person open a petrol pump as a business he take petrol in the price of 1 dollar per liter and the government decrease the price of petrol per liter .90 dollars then what will your situation in this case. You will have to bear the loss because this is the decision of the government.
Similarly, if you buy bitcoin at high prices and there is bad news, which is against bitcoin, it is obvious that Bitcoin price will dump if you are patient, you will get its reward, if you are not patient, you will have to come out of it and sell it, so we cannot say that bitcoin or crypto currency is gambling. The both profit and loss are available in crypto currency. But make sure to wait long can make your future in crypto currency.
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