There is no way to know who owns the biggest number of Bitcoins.
The early day coins still are around and there is no way even to know if someone has their private keys.
Topic: Do you believe the FBI holds the biggest number of bitcoin? - page 3. (Read 4233 times)
September 02, 2017, 10:31:29 PM
September 02, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
Don't they usually just sell it off when they confiscate it?
In most cases they are. If they are looking to auction off whatever they have seized in Bitcoin till today, they would be earning multi millions (considering btc-e coins and everything that comes from deep web markets, etc) at current levels. I don't see anything pointing to the FBI or whatever agency to hold any significant amount of coins for whatever purpose -- they are only interested in liquidating these 'obtained' coins to finance other operations.
But if you follow up them , you will know that the confiscated bitcoin are auctioned as soon as possible ,
So fbi clearly did not hold their confiscated bitcoin ,
Satoshi remain the biggest bitcoin holder now or later.
September 02, 2017, 10:16:02 PM
Do you believe the FBI holds the biggest number of bitcoin?
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
Well US agencies such as FBI and CIA maybe holds number of Bitcoins. Though, I think CIA holds more than the FBI. Since all the information used by the FBI somehow came from the CIA. As we all know that the CIA can manipulate everything. We don't have a chance to know it, They are for sure classified and hidden under the radar. CIA and FBI are one of the most corrupt agency in the US and for them everything is a business.
September 02, 2017, 10:04:08 PM
Do you believe the FBI holds the biggest number of bitcoin?
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
Indeed, it seems the U.S Government now running the show
I don't think U.S will just sit back and watch the show rather jump in.
Bitcoin is spiking since January, the time President TRUMP took the office.
I was curious though, I often ask myself who are the guys that are really pumping money in the bitcoin in the recent months, perhaps is ....
The first question we have to ask ourselves why did "Satoshi" left bitcoin??? Perhaps, the cowboys has taken over
These are just my thoughts and nothing more.
I love theories like these but I'd say it's more of CIA than FBI
We know that the US government made TOR and bitcoin was first huge on TOR network (deepweb) and also the maker of bitcoin is not known. Why's that? Well maybe that's because they don't want us to know rather than the creator likes being anonimous.. Who knows, but it's interesting to think about it. :p
September 02, 2017, 09:51:59 PM
Do you believe the FBI holds the biggest number of bitcoin?
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
I do believe that government do really have some decent amounts of Bitcoin on their hands.Remembering on the site that they have seized back in the past on which they do have confiscated or make hold of those bitcoins and im sure until now they do have the power or the holdings of those coins. Government wont just be blind on bitcoins progress and they would definitely go with the flow as long theres money involved on it.How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
I'm surprised if fbi holds a large amount of bitcoin. are they investing or is it in the can of a person's crime results? no one could have guessed it. I think everyone can have bitcoin unnoticed by others because bitcoin is anonymous .. fbi may store bitcoin and use it for a specific purpose. they enter the world of crytocoin because it may have a mission to track the movement of money laundering done in the country
Things are getting worst than worse with government and bitcoins. If anything like that happens, we will again get stuck in the same place where we are right now. They will be controlling our money, we will have to pay taxes, everything will remain the same except the fact that then it will be just in digital form. Kill me before that day, please!
I was thinking like you until I realized there is one major difference : new Bitcoins can't be created from thin air as they do with regular currencies.But yes, they will do their best to recreate the situation we are now.
Do you believe the FBI holds the biggest number of bitcoin?
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
I do believe that government do really have some decent amounts of Bitcoin on their hands.Remembering on the site that they have seized back in the past on which they do have confiscated or make hold of those bitcoins and im sure until now they do have the power or the holdings of those coins. Government wont just be blind on bitcoins progress and they would definitely go with the flow as long theres money involved on it.How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
That’s strange, though if they hold it would probably be for some investigative purposes and not really for cashing except the government and the central bank know about it. But this is seeming ridiculous, maybe they use it to sponsor their spies on the darkweb
It's probably, only a rumor. FBI can't have that much bitcoins. But I'm sure they seized important amount of bitcoin after they arrested btce officials and took their machines including wallets.
If I was BTCe, I would have strongly encrypted the data for sure, just in case
It is not just about encryption only
The FBI didn't just seize BTC-e servers but they also arrested some people affiliated with this exchange. We all heard about Vinnik but he is likely not the only dude arrested by the agency. So if they have caught people who know the keys from the wallets, and if they haven't yet told them to the FBI, it is most certainly just a matter of time until they do (provided the funds haven't been withdraw already). Anyway, cold wallets weren't on these servers, therefore it all comes down to whom the FBI arrested (Vinnik seems to be a small fish himself)
Do you believe the FBI holds the biggest number of bitcoin?
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
I do believe that government do really have some decent amounts of Bitcoin on their hands.Remembering on the site that they have seized back in the past on which they do have confiscated or make hold of those bitcoins and im sure until now they do have the power or the holdings of those coins. Government wont just be blind on bitcoins progress and they would definitely go with the flow as long theres money involved on it.How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
That’s strange, though if they hold it would probably be for some investigative purposes and not really for cashing except the government and the central bank know about it. But this is seeming ridiculous, maybe they use it to sponsor their spies on the darkweb
Yeah I also think same like you, FBI use bitcoin to make payment to their spies, but I do not believe that FBI hold the biggest number. If it is true then in short bitcoin price is in the hand of FBI, and think what, it means bitcoin price is in the hand of America. Well it is strange for me like you said. But I believe FBI have sufficient amount of bitcoin that they will use for investigation purpose. That’s strange, though if they hold it would probably be for some investigative purposes and not really for cashing except the government and the central bank know about it. But this is seeming ridiculous, maybe they use it to sponsor their spies on the darkweb
It's probably, only a rumor. FBI can't have that much bitcoins. But I'm sure they seized important amount of bitcoin after they arrested btce officials and took their machines including wallets.
If I was BTCe, I would have strongly encrypted the data for sure, just in case...
On the other hand, I'm fairly sure 3 letters agencies own many bitcoins/monero and use them to sponsor their shady activities, this just make sense.
That’s strange, though if they hold it would probably be for some investigative purposes and not really for cashing except the government and the central bank know about it. But this is seeming ridiculous, maybe they use it to sponsor their spies on the darkweb
It's probably, only a rumor. FBI can't have that much bitcoins. But I'm sure they seized important amount of bitcoin after they arrested btce officials and took their machines including wallets.
It's a mere speculation but there could be some element of truth in that. FBI or any organization in that stature would want to control a portion of Bitcoin at least for future reasons best known to them so I will be the least surprised if it turns out to be true.
That’s strange, though if they hold it would probably be for some investigative purposes and not really for cashing except the government and the central bank know about it. But this is seeming ridiculous, maybe they use it to sponsor their spies on the darkweb
It's probably, only a rumor. FBI can't have that much bitcoins. But I'm sure they seized important amount of bitcoin after they arrested btce officials and took their machines including wallets.
Anything related to bitcoin is possible, bitcoin is anonymity which means we don't know who the identity of bitcoin holders is. Can be known the identity is when bitcoin holders exchange to fiat. Because usually exchanger asks ID verification for doing transact.
Do you believe the FBI holds the biggest number of bitcoin?
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
How would we know? How certain are they? We can't tell because nobody/no one would say how many bitcoins he/she has on his/her hands
haha! any proof to back this up? Or are you wearing your tinfoil hat?
After satoshi and winklevoss twins maybe. but who knows
That’s strange, though if they hold it would probably be for some investigative purposes and not really for cashing except the government and the central bank know about it. But this is seeming ridiculous, maybe they use it to sponsor their spies on the darkweb
I know what happened to those coins, but we will get to that in a bit:
https://www.wired.com/2013/12/fbi_wallet/
Thats 120 million dollars when bitcoin was crazysauce cheaper. To be fair, they did auction these off, but I am not sure if they auctioned off ALL of them ( I stopped paying attention on the third tranche; and Im too lazy atm to look it up). Since then, we have had:
Hansa, with a total compromise (wallets were seized)
Alpha, the same,
and BTCE (which many members of the board can describe to you with colorful language).
They havent even reported the amounts of coins in the last seizures, and that does not include the less publicized, more frequent smaller confiscations
https://www.wired.com/2013/12/fbi_wallet/
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The FBI now controls more than 144,000 bitcoins that reside at a bitcoin address that consolidates much of the seized Silk Road bitcoins. Those 144,000 bitcoins are worth close to $100 million at Tuesday’s exchange rates. Another address, containing Silk Road funds seized earlier by the FBI, contains nearly 30,000 bitcoins ($20 million).
Thats 120 million dollars when bitcoin was crazysauce cheaper. To be fair, they did auction these off, but I am not sure if they auctioned off ALL of them ( I stopped paying attention on the third tranche; and Im too lazy atm to look it up). Since then, we have had:
Hansa, with a total compromise (wallets were seized)
Alpha, the same,
and BTCE (which many members of the board can describe to you with colorful language).
They havent even reported the amounts of coins in the last seizures, and that does not include the less publicized, more frequent smaller confiscations
We couldn't really expect a lot of publicity from the agencies like the FBI
The bottom line is that the higher Bitcoin price goes and more valuable Bitcoin becomes, the more incentive the FBI will have to keep the coins to themselves. As far as I understand it, the proceeds of the auctioned coins don't fill the pockets of the FBI itself, so there is no economic reason or interest for them to sell off the seized coins unless they can't hide them. Let's not forget that even ordinary FBI agents tried to steal a few bitcoins at the times of the Silk Road seizure
Nope i dont belive that . In fact they are hunting it and trying to destroy the all network of blockchain
They just want like we to pay fees and to be dependent by a goverment
They just want like we to pay fees and to be dependent by a goverment
This is plain stupid. Have you heard of the FBI arresting somebody for running a bitcoin node?
And now you don't pay fees? Of course you pay, but to the minervent.
Actually, the FBI most likely does hold the biggest number of Bitcoin. The US gov and all other govs would be unwise to at least get a piece of the pie before it hits $1,000,000... then good luck!
No they don't.
And the FBI is not the government, this is not communist Russia where everything is run by the same person.
In reality the FBI has already sold at an auction the coins they have seized.
I know what happened to those coins, but we will get to that in a bit:
https://www.wired.com/2013/12/fbi_wallet/
Quote
The FBI now controls more than 144,000 bitcoins that reside at a bitcoin address that consolidates much of the seized Silk Road bitcoins. Those 144,000 bitcoins are worth close to $100 million at Tuesday’s exchange rates. Another address, containing Silk Road funds seized earlier by the FBI, contains nearly 30,000 bitcoins ($20 million).
Thats 120 million dollars when bitcoin was crazysauce cheaper. To be fair, they did auction these off, but I am not sure if they auctioned off ALL of them ( I stopped paying attention on the third tranche; and Im too lazy atm to look it up). Since then, we have had:
Hansa, with a total compromise (wallets were seized)
Alpha, the same,
and BTCE (which many members of the board can describe to you with colorful language).
They havent even reported the amounts of coins in the last seizures, and that does not include the less publicized, more frequent smaller confiscations
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