Do you calculate before deciding to Fold or Call? - page 2.

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Quote from: Aemon on November 03, 2015, 08:02:54 PM

So basically you are just rewording exactly what I wrote. If I have a 50% chance of winning and I am invested 10BTC. And the raise is .5BTC You are damn right I am calling. If you fold you are an idiot.

You went the other way saying if you have 20% odds with 50% profit return, then you will stay.

In your example it seems that you are giving more attention to your winning chances. I was just trying to say that I don't care about the winning chances alone. They could just be 20% or 1%, if comparing the pot odds with the winning odds proves to be a profitable play in the long run I will take it, even if I will probably lose that hand, because the winning odds are low.

The problem with most players is that they only look to winning odds most of the time.

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Quote from: paka on November 05, 2015, 09:40:34 AM

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Quote from: paka on November 04, 2015, 07:29:16 PM

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

Umm.. Honestly, there are both, evaluation and calculation in poker. Not only u gotta evaluate the body language of ur enemies but u also have to calculate a bit, e.g. chances of getting that and that card (on the river).

Its getting of topic and seriously body language? you got to be psychic in order for you to look at your opponents in the computer Grin

We aren't talking about gambling on the computer. We are talking about live events, poker online is not a very skilled game at all.

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Quote from: fravia on November 05, 2015, 09:34:50 AM

Quote from: paka on November 05, 2015, 07:59:22 AM

Quote from: Eastwind on November 05, 2015, 03:49:27 AM

Quote from: paka on November 04, 2015, 07:29:16 PM

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

Umm.. Honestly, there are both, evaluation and calculation in poker. Not only u gotta evaluate the body language of ur enemies but u also have to calculate a bit, e.g. chances of getting that and that card (on the river).

Its getting of topic and seriously body language? you got to be psychic in order for you to look at your opponents in the computer Grin

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Quote from: paka on November 05, 2015, 07:59:22 AM

Quote from: Eastwind on November 05, 2015, 03:49:27 AM

Quote from: paka on November 04, 2015, 07:29:16 PM

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

Umm.. Honestly, there are both, evaluation and calculation in poker. Not only u gotta evaluate the body language of ur enemies but u also have to calculate a bit, e.g. chances of getting that and that card (on the river).

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Quote from: Eastwind on November 05, 2015, 03:49:27 AM

Quote from: paka on November 04, 2015, 07:29:16 PM

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

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Quote from: Eastwind on November 05, 2015, 03:49:27 AM

Quote from: paka on November 04, 2015, 07:29:16 PM

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

its not like you as a player can see the facial expression of your opponent that you can tell whether a player is bluffing. the only clue i can thhink of is when everyone else folds, then most probably all ours cards are worth folding.

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Quote from: paka on November 04, 2015, 07:29:16 PM

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

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You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 03, 2015, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: FrueGreads on November 03, 2015, 07:23:46 PM

Quote from: Aemon on November 03, 2015, 07:08:31 PM

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not. Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

I'm sorry mate but your example is kind wrong , when the pot has 5 BTC it's impossible to invest 6 btc
I guess you meant when the pot has 5 btc and someone raise 6 btc then you are investing 6 btc to win 11 btc not 5 btc
so right now you are getting 11 to 6 and the odds are not 50%

Sorry I meant when the pot has 5BTC and someone raises it 6BTC. And you have 50% chance of winning you probably should not call. It depends on how much of that 5BTC is yours though, if you had 1BTC invested in there then it is entirely different vs say 2BTC or 2.5BTC.

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Quote from: enhu on November 04, 2015, 10:30:00 AM

playing on the table is different than playing online. observing how your opponent act may help you decide. if i can see he doubts his cards, he might just have pair or so. i like it When hero call wins.

Yeah, i like that too.
But sometimes when you play on big blind bet table on real table. Is too many bluff there. Undecided

I prefer play real poker with friends with small amount of money.
It's fun, and no body lose actually.

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Its MUST that you calculate before every call or fold!In fact,you should be calculating in your head after each move as you will be aware how deep you're into the game.Its been observed maths experts are good at poker games ,just for the fact that they're good with numbers.

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playing on the table is different than playing online. observing how your opponent act may help you decide. if i can see he doubts his cards, he might just have pair or so. i like it When hero call wins.

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funny thing is that, when i watch those pro who play, they fold or call is not depend on the pot, it is mainly depend on their cards and possible opponent cards. if they have a little better cards, they hardly will call when pot gets big but when they get big cards, they will try to think of how to make the pot as big as possible. i still think the main factor is their cards and little on pot.

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Quote from: FrueGreads on November 03, 2015, 07:23:46 PM

Quote from: Aemon on November 03, 2015, 07:08:31 PM

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not. Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

I'm sorry mate but your example is kind wrong , when the pot has 5 BTC it's impossible to invest 6 btc
I guess you meant when the pot has 5 btc and someone raise 6 btc then you are investing 6 btc to win 11 btc not 5 btc
so right now you are getting 11 to 6 and the odds are not 50%

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Quote from: FrueGreads on November 03, 2015, 07:23:46 PM

Quote from: Aemon on November 03, 2015, 07:08:31 PM

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not. Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

So basically you are just rewording exactly what I wrote. If I have a 50% chance of winning and I am invested 10BTC. And the raise is .5BTC You are damn right I am calling. If you fold you are an idiot.

You went the other way saying if you have 20% odds with 50% profit return, then you will stay.

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Quote from: Aemon on November 03, 2015, 07:08:31 PM

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not. Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

Aemon

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You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not. Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

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Well if I don't know anything about the other player, then I just calculate the odds of my hand improving and hitting the nuts or close to it, then I compare it with the investement I need to make to continue on that hand. When I do that, you can estimate if that hand would give you profit in the long run.
It's that "easy".

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which sort of card on hand that you can think of calling just to bluff, considering you can afford to lose what's on the pot size.
Your opponent may have 9 and up pair or maybe even trio, straight, flush or so, would you bluff and call?

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