Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?

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Quote from: Pleasant_Tree on July 10, 2023, 02:55:45 PM

Hi all, here is a two part question:

Do you believe in Heaven?
and,
Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?

Optionally, please feel free to discuss why you believe and what you think it will be like, i.e. Will your favorite pets and friends be there and easy to find? How will you find them, will we have "Apps" for that?

Please maintain a nice talk, and do not have the same two or three people debating religion, thank you.

Yes I believe in heaven. All the people in the world will enter heaven or hell in the afterlife according to their good and bad deeds. See I you come to earth for a very short time, within a short time a different bond is formed between family, friends, relatives. However, every living being is mortal, life has an end as it has a beginning. Especially those who are believers among mankind, regardless of their religion, people of all religions firmly believe in life after death. And since the hereafter is a matter whose good and bad depends on how much good and bad deeds one has done in this world. Therefore, if a person wants to be freed in the afterlife and want to go to heaven, then he must follow all the rules of the creator and pass the life of this world. Otherwise it is not possible to go to heaven. For those who disbelieve, there is a severe punishment and for those who believe, there is the blessing of heaven.

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Quote from: Pleasant_Tree on July 10, 2023, 02:55:45 PM

Hi all, here is a two part question:

Do you believe in Heaven?
and,
Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?

Optionally, please feel free to discuss why you believe and what you think it will be like, i.e. Will your favorite pets and friends be there and easy to find? How will you find them, will we have "Apps" for that?

Please maintain a nice talk, and do not have the same two or three people debating religion, thank you.

I definitely believe in heaven. People come to earth for a short period of time, after staying for a short period of time a person has to leave for the other world. How many things people find in the world for this short period of time. There is no man who does not want heaven, every man wants heaven and to live happily and peacefully in the next life, he has to do some deeds in this world. Those who can do good deeds in this world and be friendly to people and follow religious rules will have a good life in the next life and will go to heaven.

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The term " heaven " means so many different things to people.
No, nobody goes anywhere when finish here on Earth. However, the scripture reveal that God's people will be resurrected at the return of Jesus Christ and will reign with Him on the Earth. However, everyone expectation on going to heaven or not depends on individual. It's also depends on individual attitude either good or bad. Above all, only God knows each and everyone of us that is to go to heaven.

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Quote from: |MINER| on March 31, 2024, 02:21:58 AM

None of us know what awaits us after death. And what heaven will be like. It's just a beautiful fantasy.
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Heaven's probably more than just something people imagined up. A lot of folks think it's this perfectly peaceful place overflowing with love where souls connect in ways beyond what any of us can conceive of here on Earth. Sure the details are a mystery, but that idea you shared about good people finding true happiness in the afterlife lines up with what a bunch of religions preach. Who really knows for certain, but there's definitely some comfort in hoping our spirits end up somewhere nice like heaven when this life eventually ends. The great unknown can be frightening, no doubt but keeping the faith that something even better awaits might make it easier to cope with.

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None of us know what awaits us after death. And what heaven will be like. It's just a beautiful fantasy. Maybe heaven will be for good people. Those who did good deeds on earth and were good people may go to heaven. And enjoy all the happiness of heaven. Imagination says heaven will be a very peaceful place. Where there will be no hatred, violence, fights. Although I said all these from my imagination. How can we speak of heaven where we do not know what will happen to us tomorrow or what the future holds for us. But I can hope that if I am a good person, I will go to heaven and enjoy the happiness of heaven.

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Quote from: Pleasant_Tree on July 10, 2023, 07:45:20 PM

I found the first two posts to both be thought provoking, thank you. I was raised very religious with church & church school every Sunday. In my teens, I found Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged to be an amazing experience. Over the years, I've come to respect Rand's politics and in depth understanding of people and history more than her hostility towards religion. The idea of going somewhere wonderful after death has a strong appeal, especially as we get older, but I can't put too much faith in the concept, yet.

It appears that you do not fully believe in what you practise. What baffles me the most is your outrage over the responses to your post; what did you expect to see here? When you have a large number of people in the forum with diverse beliefs, you will surely see the most provoking answers contrary to your belief, as well as some that agree with your belief. Not everyone believes in religion, and those who do will only answer questions based on what their religion teaches them and what they believe in. So don't be offended if you see another response that is completely off point from what you expect to hear from forum users here.

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Even though we all don't know how heaven looks like, we don't want to go to hell because we believe we don't deserve it.
The hell is real and if we don't do the right thing now, we might see ourselves in there. People has been searching for money these days forgetting that heaven is real but we can still adjust and do the right thing than taking wealth and riches if life mire important than our lives. We just have to keep doing the right thing so that heaven can accept us at last.

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Quote from: Pleasant_Tree on July 10, 2023, 02:55:45 PM

Hi all, here is a two part question:

Do you believe in Heaven?
and,
Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?

It's pretty much the same question phrased in two different ways. The answer to both of them is no, at least in my case.
I don't believe in the concept of heaven an d the way I see it we turn into energy after death and that energy becomes a part of the universe, the way an exploding star disappears, but it's energy does not disappear, but travels and changes the cosmos.

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^^^ However, Hell is a spiritual place, as well. Cool

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Arguing this for me most time seem not necessary because as long as your entitled to your believe, to ask if one will go or not I don't deem it necessary. I stand to be corrected.

But answering this question for me I believe I will go heaven human are spiritual beings, we create what we want through our mouth I have come to understand that many things exist because it was created bitcoin forum is not as origin of man but created by human, so is life we live today, I wouldn't say much as everyone is entitled to it's believe.

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Heaven is simply God's home kingdom.

Imagine anything you want about God. He is way greater than our imagination. He is way greater and different than any other 'alien' we think about. In fact, the only reason why we think of Hm like a person is that He came in the form of Jesus, a man, to save us by taking the punishment for our mistakes and disobedience against God, our King.

Since it was God's idea that we go to Heaven, He has made it super easy. Simply believing that He exists, and exists in the form of Jesus, and that He is the One Who is saving us through Jesus... this is what takes us to Heaven. But our faith is weakened when we make mistakes, especially voluntary mistakes.

Perfection, no-death, joy, everything beneficial beyond our imagining... this is what there is for us in Heaven. And faith in Jesus is built by reading, or listening to somebody reading, the Bible... especially the Gospel books - first four in the New Testament.

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Going to heaven or hell fire depends on the believe of every individual, if the person is religious and what they're religious believes are, if a person is not religious, then the concept of going to heaven after death might not appeal to them. As a Christian I believe in afterlife and that righteous people will go there when they die, they might not reunite with their family and friends who died and did not make it to heaven, so for us it's a personal race. Most religions are centered on believes and not facts, so we should be more focused on this present reality in this world to make positive impact by being an example of what we want our world to be.

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Heaven is a utopian place created by the ruling class for the regulation of the masses and I don't think there is any thing about the after life

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Certain individuals view Heaven as a place of eternal rest and calm, while others envision it as a place of happy reunions with loved ones. There are also numerous religious beliefs on what Heaven is like. I find it fascinating how various individuals envisage the afterlife based on their beliefs and experiences. And I believe it's intriguing to investigate the many ways individuals think about what occurs after death. So everyone brings their own unique viewpoint to the table on paradise, but as for me, I will go to heaven, which is why I am walking on the bright side of life.

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Quote from: o48o on July 10, 2023, 04:14:52 PM

Quote from: Pleasant_Tree on July 10, 2023, 02:55:45 PM

Hi all, here is a two part question:

Do you believe in Heaven?
and,
Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?
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A: Nah, i don't need afterlife. This life is enough for me. Thought of that gives me peace and clarity and understanding that i need to cherish everything i have while i have it. I need to live my life to the end because i have it. While being kind to my family and friends and give my kids a better changes in life than i did.

I used to be religious, but after i understood what void it was filling, getting rid of it really balanced my life to better. I just don't need anyone in the sky watching me. Neither gods or government.

B: What will happen after i die? My body either get burned or buried. I guess my afterlife would feel similar to before i existed. Like nothing.

And you think you've said something right! Let me tell you I do not know your religion but whatever happens afterlife is like a reflection of your life on Earth, so know If you live a life without Good or Allah, so your soul will be without them too after life you most believe in any in your life okay

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Quote from: af_newbie on July 17, 2023, 08:57:10 PM

Quote from: BADecker on July 17, 2023, 12:56:31 PM

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Proper religion absolutely has proof. Proper science doesn't have proof that can't be changed when necessary. For example...

One, tiny, simple proof for the Bible is the city or Jericho. In the Bible OT it says that the people of Israel marched around ancient Jericho for seven days. Then, on the seventh day, they shouted... and the walls of Jericho fell over flat.

For hundreds of years the city of Jericho was lost to us. Scientists and archaeologists thought that it was a fabrication. Then they found it, with the walls fallen flat, just like the OT says.

The Bible, the most published book, is impossible to exist. Without study into the Bible and how it came about, a person wouldn't understand that it is impossible.

There are parts and scraps from something like 25,000 ancient copies of the New Testament from the first couple hundred years of its existence. The only way people would have made this many copies was if it had happened, and the people were healed like Jesus said. Their healing made them excited enough that they would publish accurate copies at a time when the only way was to copy them by hand.

The science of the late 1800s, when scientists expressed that there was nothing left to discover, shows us that scientific proof isn't being followed. Scientific proof only exists in reality when the science can be demonstrated by engineered results that match the science.

There are many more examples of proof for and against religions and science. The point that comes out of this is that 'science', as the term generally means today, has a meaning similar to the meaning of 'religion'. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which parts of science are not religion, and what parts of religion are not science.

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Don't get me started on the Bible. The most vile book ever written. Why would need "proof for the Bible"? Proof of what?
That it was written by 45+ authors over the course of 2500 years, only to have its 'books/stories' cherry-picked at
the First Council of Nicea in 325 CE. The nastiest book ever written.

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The Bible has really only ONE purpose. That purpose is to express Jesus-salvation so that people can be saved.

The Council of Nicea didn't cherry-pick the books of the Bible. They simply eliminated the books that weakened or broke the thread of Jesus-salvation. In other words, they purified the Bible as it should have been pure in the first place.

The only real author of the Bible is God. Prophets were the instruments God used to do the writing. Consider...

When God made people, He made them in His image. How does one animate simple material so that it becomes in the real image of the one true God? We can't begin to fathom how this can be done, or what God is really like. But it is God's Spirit in you, that is activating the substance of what you call your spirit and body, to do and think the things that you think you are doing alone.

How much more the prophets who were on God's side and in favor of Him. The Bible is ONE, even though it was written over a bunch of centuries by different authors.

My special point for you is, we are all of the image of God, and the strength of God is working in us... though most of us don't seem to realize it, and though we don't feel like it. For your own sake and life, don't use your God-power to deny yourself out of existence. God doesn't die. Denying yourself simply means that you will no longer be in the presence of Father-God, and Brother-Jesus. If you have dreary periods in life now, think of what it will be like without Him for eternity.

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I mean, in reality that's what we hope for, right? We hope (at least I know most of us do) that there is something or anything beyond the life we are currently living. To believe that there is something more after death somehow gives us the comfort of knowing that the end is not actually the end of everything, that there is still something waiting for us in the "afterlife". Moreover, having the thought that it will be good and peaceful allows a better sense of relief for us, like the promise of having a place of peacefulness and eternal happiness in heaven.

However, do I expect myself to go to Heaven when I'm done with my life here on Earth? Ideally, yes of course I do. Do I deserve it? Probably, but I know there are still those who deserve it more than I do. I guess instead of using the term expectation I'll use hope or even wish. It's hard state an expectation especially when you're not 100% sure that such a thing exist in the first place after all.

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For me, as a Muslim, I believe in heaven, but I believe in it in a mystical, spiritual sense, and not in a materialistic sense, as ordinary Muslims or even Christians and Jews understand it.

In short, the real paradise is knowledge, the purity of the soul, its sublimeness, and its purification from all its negative qualities.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 17, 2023, 12:56:31 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 16, 2023, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on July 16, 2023, 10:46:00 AM

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Science hides a lot of what they find. For example, they have found through the Voyager satellites that they almost don't have a clue as to what the universe is made of. But those who publish what the scientists say about Voyager discoveries, publish those ideas as though they were fact, even though the scientists clearly express them only as ideas.

Consider the Microsphere Nanoscope... a microscope that can see living things in color that were only formerly visible, dead, in an electron microscope. Yet few people talk about the MN, because what it sees is changing the whole understanding of how life works. And no scientist wants his pet ideas to be trampled on, even by the truth.

Part of the reason science is not finding the truth is, they fail to scientifically appropriately explore the foundations of the Bible, God, and the reason for Jesus... Jesus, Who was made to be equal with God, by God Himself.
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This perfectly proves how people read things they do not have a clue about, they think they got it and get inevitably to the wrong conclusions. Science follows a method that provides some certainties under a certain context of the human understanding, nothing more.

Religion is based on pure dogma. Nothing is proven ever, it is simply said and people are just expected to believe it. As you can see, the "truth" bar is set to a zero level for religion, yet we still the same people who do not question that which is without proof, questioning science which actually does require proof for the conclusions.

Proper religion absolutely has proof. Proper science doesn't have proof that can't be changed when necessary. For example...

One, tiny, simple proof for the Bible is the city or Jericho. In the Bible OT it says that the people of Israel marched around ancient Jericho for seven days. Then, on the seventh day, they shouted... and the walls of Jericho fell over flat.

For hundreds of years the city of Jericho was lost to us. Scientists and archaeologists thought that it was a fabrication. Then they found it, with the walls fallen flat, just like the OT says.

The Bible, the most published book, is impossible to exist. Without study into the Bible and how it came about, a person wouldn't understand that it is impossible.

There are parts and scraps from something like 25,000 ancient copies of the New Testament from the first couple hundred years of its existence. The only way people would have made this many copies was if it had happened, and the people were healed like Jesus said. Their healing made them excited enough that they would publish accurate copies at a time when the only way was to copy them by hand.

The science of the late 1800s, when scientists expressed that there was nothing left to discover, shows us that scientific proof isn't being followed. Scientific proof only exists in reality when the science can be demonstrated by engineered results that match the science.

There are many more examples of proof for and against religions and science. The point that comes out of this is that 'science', as the term generally means today, has a meaning similar to the meaning of 'religion'. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which parts of science are not religion, and what parts of religion are not science.

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Don't get me started on the Bible. The most vile book ever written. Why would need "proof for the Bible"? Proof of what?
That it was written by 45+ authors over the course of 2500 years, only to have its 'books/stories' cherry-picked at
the First Council of Nicea in 325 CE. The nastiest book ever written.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13910414

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