Topic: Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth? - page 2. (Read 449 times)

Proper religion absolutely has proof. Proper science doesn't have proof that can't be changed when necessary. For example...

One, tiny, simple proof for the Bible is the city or Jericho. In the Bible OT it says that the people of Israel marched around ancient Jericho for seven days. Then, on the seventh day, they shouted... and the walls of Jericho fell over flat.

For hundreds of years the city of Jericho was lost to us. Scientists and archaeologists thought that it was a fabrication. Then they found it, with the walls fallen flat, just like the OT says.

The Bible, the most published book, is impossible to exist. Without study into the Bible and how it came about, a person wouldn't understand that it is impossible.

There are parts and scraps from something like 25,000 ancient copies of the New Testament from the first couple hundred years of its existence. The only way people would have made this many copies was if it had happened, and the people were healed like Jesus said. Their healing made them excited enough that they would publish accurate copies at a time when the only way was to copy them by hand.

The science of the late 1800s, when scientists expressed that there was nothing left to discover, shows us that scientific proof isn't being followed. Scientific proof only exists in reality when the science can be demonstrated by engineered results that match the science.

There are many more examples of proof for and against religions and science. The point that comes out of this is that 'science', as the term generally means today, has a meaning similar to the meaning of 'religion'. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which parts of science are not religion, and what parts of religion are not science.

This perfectly proves how people read things they do not have a clue about, they think they got it and get inevitably to the wrong conclusions. Science follows a method that provides some certainties under a certain context of the human understanding, nothing more.

Religion is based on pure dogma. Nothing is proven ever, it is simply said and people are just expected to believe it. As you can see, the "truth" bar is set to a zero level for religion, yet we still the same people who do not question that which is without proof, questioning science which actually does require proof for the conclusions.
 

That's a good question. Is our bacteria part of our psyche if it keeps us alive?

Imho that's just our level of self awareness we are calling as a soul or a psyche. Something we have developed over time and i see it as completely physical feature coming from the complexity of our bodies. There's really no evidence for us to assume that it would be anything else, like "spiritual" or "Magical", what ever they might mean to anyone.

1. No. There is no such thing. We know because we went to space to check.

2. When you die, your body decomposes and atoms in your body become part of something else. 'You' don't
'go' anywhere.

A better question is: "What constitutes me/you?"

Is your body, your brain, 'you'?

If you believe that your 'soul' goes to heaven, then your body/brain is not 'you'.
If you follow this logic, 'you' don't exist. At least nobody was able to detect 'you'.

If on the other hand, you consider your body/brain to be 'you', then 'you' definitely don't go anywhere after you die.

PS. What constitutes a 'soul'? What is its chemical composition?

Jesus the only way and the truth and light, which means that Jesus Christ leads us as Christians to heaven which means we going to be with God the fathers, so for the accusation that Jesus Christ is referred to as the light of God means that believing in him will light our part to heaven from this life and the holy Bible is like heaven constitution and life blueprints that following all the instruction therein would earn the believer heaved as the rewards of that covenant which is written in the Bible

The evidence is not empirical because nobody has 'been there' to find all the things that cause the evidence to exist as it does. What is empirical is that certain interpretations have been placed on the evidence to show universal unity in a direction that the 'directors' of the interpretations desire.

Scientific progress is beautiful and wonderful to look at. The scientific failures that led to the progress are rather ugly. Back in the late 1800s, scientists declared that everything worth knowing had been scientifically discovered already. Now we see how far off they were in their interpretations.


Fearing the unknown is something that many modern scientists should be doing. Why? Because they have ignored the foundation of all knowledge. Saint Paul shows this when he talks about Jesus:

---   Ephesians 4:10: "He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe," - https://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-10.htm.

---   Colossians 2:3: "... in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge," - https://www.biblehub.com/colossians/2-3.htm,

Yet most scientists ignore the source, Jesus, and try to muddle their way through discovery without Him, the only real foundation.



Science hides a lot of what they find. For example, they have found through the Voyager satellites that they almost don't have a clue as to what the universe is made of. But those who publish what the scientists say about Voyager discoveries, publish those ideas as though they were fact, even though the scientists clearly express them only as ideas.

Consider the Microsphere Nanoscope... a microscope that can see living things in color that were only formerly visible, dead, in an electron microscope. Yet few people talk about the MN, because what it sees is changing the whole understanding of how life works. And no scientist wants his pet ideas to be trampled on, even by the truth.

Part of the reason science is not finding the truth is, they fail to scientifically appropriately explore the foundations of the Bible, God, and the reason for Jesus... Jesus, Who was made to be equal with God, by God Himself.

It's not that God is trying to hide the knowledge of what He does - the making of all of creation. Rather, it's that science is trying to find it out without the correct and proper direction for such finding. Amos 3:7: "Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets," - https://biblehub.com/amos/3-7.htm. Could it be that the whole creation - God's created universe - is revealed through what He told His servants the prophets? That is something worth scientific investigation!

Time for us to really start getting the correct basis for all scientific study... God's Word first, and then understanding how scientific discoveries match God's Word.

I have no expectations about afterlife, mainly because I have no evidence of any short of afterlife whereas I have plenty of evidence of people not being able to "communicate" after death. Also, most of the organised religions and faith books do not really make any sense beyond requesting fait.

Having said that, there are many things that we do not know about life and nothing we really know about anything after, so I guess anything is possible technically.

Come on. Fess up. You only talk like that because you want to make everybody think that you are God, right?

Let's put an end to this conversation. YOU ARE GOING TO HELL! YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL! You are all going to suffer immensely for all eternity because you are all terrible people. You do not deserve life. You do not deserve love. You hate me because you are evil! You are an absolutely horrible person. You are a Nazi. YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!

I do not know how all these lies theories came into existence. There are so many different believes and all these believes are attached to religion.

I believe there is no where in the atmosphere or benight the earth called heaven where one being called God is seated on a throne watching what is happening in the world. If there be Heaven it should be the presence of a supreme being called God. Then who is God?
Maybe Jesus was God, Mechisedec was God, Olumba is God and then wherever these being are is automatically called Heaven. This is my personal understanding and it is debatable.

It's easy for anyone to say that they are a Christian. But a real Christian is one who believes in salvation by Jesus, the Christ (Messiah).


Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me," - https://biblehub.com/john/14-6.htm. So far nobody has been able to show what doing good has to do with being saved.


No, this is not why you are a Christian. The reason why you are a Christian is that through your parents, you heard the Word of God spoken, or you read it. Then the Holy Spirit worked faith in your heart through the Word that you heard.


It is the hearing of the Word of God - especially the parts that talk about Jesus-salvation - that works faith in the heart. People of nations or religions that don't have the Bible possibly will never hear the Word of God.



King David talks about how he was put together by God in his mommy's tummy: "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb," - Psalm 139:13. What this means is that God is putting people together before they are born. So, we all heard the Word of God from the beginning of our conception. But if we don't have reinforcement by the Bible once we get out here, we forget.

The point is, everybody who believes in Jesus-salvation is saved, no matter how he gets that faith. But we can see how difficult it is for people born to practicing Christians to be saved. So, we can easily understand how hard it will be for people who don't have even the Word, to be saved.

However, if they get the Word in some way that we don't know about, they will be saved, if they believe. Yet, who has a clear example of how a person can get the Word without getting the Bible, or without somebody speaking it to him? Because that is what the Holy Spirit uses to work faith in the hearts of people.

I am a Christian and believe that Jesus is the way to Heaven. But I don't really believe that only Christians will go to heaven. I believe that everyone that loves his neighbor and doesn't do things that harm them might make it to heaven. We have to show love, mercy, and liberality. Your religious belief greatly depends on your location. I am a Christian today because my parents practice the religion and most people in my location are Christians. If maybe I was born in Saudi Arabia, I would have been a Muslim. Nothing would have stopped me from becoming a Hindu if I was born in India. The main issue is to be good to humanity. If you assume that only Christians would go to heaven, then God can make it easy by stopping giving babies to Muslims and other religions. And make more Christian families have more children that will go to heaven instead of sending children in families that will lead them to hell. I don't believe that only Christians will go to heaven.

Yes. But I respect those that don't believe on it so, hopefully they'll also respect my belief on it.

Yes, I'm expecting to be in there and it's not just when you pass away here on Earth you'll get there surely. This is where the belief of each religion comes and I don't wanna expound on it because it's gonna be a long debate. So, I'm all good if someone believes in heaven or not but not with long arguments.

It's paradise, where you don't have to be problematic about daily living and there's no more sickness in there. As for the pets, I don't think that we'll see them there because from what I know, they've got no soul. And with our friends, possible.

We'll just gonna know that soon.

Of course mate. Christians are believers of God and we have heard of so many miracles that was performed in the past by Jesus Christ to make people believe that there is life after death and that we are visitors on earth because we have a father that is in heaven who will demand for our soul when the time comes.

My big dream on earth is to go to heaven when I die because it is only in heaven that we can have eternal peace and rest glorifying the lord and worshipping God.

A) Yes I believe in heaven because as a follower of Christ( Christian) the bible made us to understand that there is heaven and there is hell. Every follower of Jesus Christ must believe there is heaven because the end point of every believer is to make heaven after spending time on earth here because heaven according to the bible is a paradise.

B) Heaven is my goal after living a good life on earth and I am hoping to make heaven by the grace of almight God because my works alone can't take me their neither will my deeds take me but his grace and mercy will take me to a place where there is no hard labour before eating, heaven is my ending point after life and I will definitely be there some day.

Nice question,I think though that asking for heaven and not wanting religious responses is like saying I am a very nice guy but I also like whores  .

So yes I expect to go to heaven hopefully as what is the point of us coming here on earth and why are the skies created,I doubt they are for nothing,they are for a purpose,everything is created for a purpose and while this purpose may be different if no after life exists then well done to Hitler who killed millions and also Putin who is doing the same now,I think he is already in hellfire Hitler and Putin will follow soon.

I have always been fascinated by the topic of after life and science has proven that the human brain still functions for 30 minutes after our death and this is a miracle,they have not manage to find out what happens during these thirty minutes which make it even more mysterious.You know what is even strange,the fact that our two organs,like our genitals and our stomach which we try to pleasure as much as we can during our life,are the first organs to dissolve.

Heaven actually exist. I'm one of the hardest person to convince of something without proof.

My goal is to do what it requires to get there... to please the CREATOR always.

*I believe water exist because I saw it.*
 No human can describe heaven even if seen. It has a Great Sparkle that can't be described because it has never been seen nor imagined by humans. The sparkle is healing when stared at....you immediately feel healing & painless crackling in your bones/body as if being pressed together by a powerful force.


We could have our evil pets, friends, brothers and sisters destroyed in hell while we meet their replica in heaven. The evil ones are not who we think they are. Once they become completely evil they become satan.

God isn't complaining that you don't believe Him. In fact, He wants you to decide... make your own free choice. He probably won't even feel sorry that you roast in Hell. After all, it's for freedom that He has set you free... to even select Hell, if that's what you want.

He's quite a nice Guy, isn't He.

I don't plan to die anytime soon. And as there's no recorded reviews from any dead, I have no expectations for afterlife.

I agree that the dividing line between good works salvation and faith salvation can be difficult to understand. Look at the parable of the sheep and the goats - Matthew 25:31-46 - https://www.biblehub.com/niv/matthew/25.htm.

In this parable, it seems that the King is judging people on the merits of what they have done. It seems contradictory to passages like the one where Jesus says, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent," John 6:29 - https://biblehub.com/john/6-29.htm. So, how do we reconcile these two ideas? Something like this...

ALL people do good, and they all do evil. There are some believers and some unbelievers who do tremendous amounts of good, and very little evil. There are also loads of believers and loads of unbelievers who do very little good, but large amounts of evil.

In the sheep and goats parable, why is it that the King doesn't acknowledge the evil that the sheep did? It's because the sheep believe in the salvation that Jesus provided, and the sins (evil) have been washed away in Jesus blood. Their sins don't exist any longer because they are covered by the blood of Jesus. All that is left is the good, however small it may be.

With the goats, why doesn't the King acknowledge the good that they did, even though they did some evil right along with the good (just like the sheep)? Saint Paul explains it simply and clearly in the easy words, Romans 14:23b, "...and everything that does not come from faith is sin," - https://biblehub.com/romans/14-23.htm. So, for the goats, everything, even the good, is sin. Why? Because it was not done in faith.

Good works are to be done by believers because their faith is tested and diminished when they sin, especially if they do evil intentionally. Believers can lose their saving faith. But it is difficult, because God won't let them go easily.

One of the other good reasons why believers should do good and not do evil is, so that unbelievers can see that their godliness exists, so that these unbelievers also can turn to faith.

Nothing stops any believer or unbeliever from doing evil. But, reread Romans 14:23b above.