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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 24, 2023, 01:52:27 PM

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 20, 2023, 05:46:32 AM

1000x must be hard to win as well, what are the odds?
I know it is frustating to play and not win but maybe take it as a way to practice outcome independence
being happy regardless of what happens

Hitting 1,000x in plinko is 0.0015% or we can say it is 1 in 150k if my math is correct

I play this game a lot and I have hit 1,000x many times but most of the time it was just small bet $0.1-$0.3
I love this game since I play it for the first time years ago, the best thing in this game is that there is a guarantee 0.2x bet back in each bet because there is no 0x in the plinko game that I play.
Actually slot is better if the main idea is to hunt big multiplier because it gives more chances and more variations of multiplier.

wow, interesting, do you think it's possible to beat the house only using math or impossible? I know that by logic it should be impossible because the house always win.... but maybe if you're really lucky it'd be a way to bet with bigger amounts too

Whether by math or logic, it is literally impossible to beat the casino in the long term, except you are very new to gambling and in your game, you got lucky and won a handsome amount of money, you withdraw it and never return to gamble again, then it might be considered that you beat the house, but then, always have it in mind that in such circumstances, the house will always make their money back from other consistent gamblers.

If there was a way to mathematically beat casinos, we have a lot of great mathematicians around the world that would have bankrupted a lot of casinos.

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 20, 2023, 12:49:05 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 20, 2023, 05:46:32 AM

1000x must be hard to win as well, what are the odds?
I know it is frustating to play and not win but maybe take it as a way to practice outcome independence
being happy regardless of what happens

Hitting 1,000x in plinko is 0.0015% or we can say it is 1 in 150k if my math is correct

I play this game a lot and I have hit 1,000x many times but most of the time it was just small bet $0.1-$0.3
I love this game since I play it for the first time years ago, the best thing in this game is that there is a guarantee 0.2x bet back in each bet because there is no 0x in the plinko game that I play.
Actually slot is better if the main idea is to hunt big multiplier because it gives more chances and more variations of multiplier.

wow, interesting, do you think it's possible to beat the house only using math or impossible? I know that by logic it should be impossible because the house always win.... but maybe if you're really lucky it'd be a way to bet with bigger amounts too

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Quote from: maydna on April 21, 2023, 04:30:15 PM

Yes, it can be an option for gamblers but we also have to remember that a high enough RTP does not guarantee we can get a win. We might get a big loss because we don't have the luck that comes when we play and this has happened to many people. But they still try another day again, hoping their luck will come that day. And what we have to remember is don't use a lot of money if we don't understand the risks involved in gambling because many have experienced that defeat. We must be responsible for our money so that we are not too disappointed with the results we get from gambling.

RTP doesn't guarantee more profits it guarantees you have higher change for RTP and that should be enough reason to choose higher RTP. There are no guarantees especially with slots, other that you win or lose. But with games of pure luck, you should always get yourself every edge you can, and that would happen with higher RTP. That is if your goal is to make money. Playing some games because they are fun is another viewpoint. With those you are including fun and just spending time to equation. Profits are secondary priority.

RTP does not increase our chance of winnings but rather an assurance that we can get a certain percentage of our overtime losses. It can trigger a win but it does not mean it can increase our odds agains the casino. Remember RTP percentage is always lower than the amount we are losing but it does not mean that we will not win higher than the RTP value of slots.

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Quote from: maydna on April 21, 2023, 04:30:15 PM

Yes, it can be an option for gamblers but we also have to remember that a high enough RTP does not guarantee we can get a win. We might get a big loss because we don't have the luck that comes when we play and this has happened to many people. But they still try another day again, hoping their luck will come that day. And what we have to remember is don't use a lot of money if we don't understand the risks involved in gambling because many have experienced that defeat. We must be responsible for our money so that we are not too disappointed with the results we get from gambling.

RTP doesn't guarantee more profits it guarantees you have higher change for RTP and that should be enough reason to choose higher RTP. There are no guarantees especially with slots, other that you win or lose. But with games of pure luck, you should always get yourself every edge you can, and that would happen with higher RTP. That is if your goal is to make money. Playing some games because they are fun is another viewpoint. With those you are including fun and just spending time to equation. Profits are secondary priority.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 23, 2023, 12:50:48 PM

Yes but lately most slots have lost this unique feature to keep you entertained while you play,the fact that many of them do not give you the bonus round in more than 500 spins is a big turn off for people.For me this was the main reason I don't play slots anymore as no matter how beautiful the graphics of a slot are,the sounds I hear are attractive as long as I don't get something to make me think that I just missed it for this little I can start quitting right away without turning back and in fact this was my idea,I have quit from more than 3 weeks now and I don't feel the need to come back,sure I play sometimes only the bonus amount I get weekly and monthly because of my sport betting and I play the bonus in the casino,guess what it flies away without me even noticing it Grin

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I'm a little curious about what you're saying, is it true that the slot these past few weeks have been so bad?
Because some of my friends say that slot games are now difficult to get big multiplier and spend their balances faster.
I haven't tried it myself after last month I made the mistake of being too greedy buying the spins feature for 100$ and only getting 12$ back after that I went to bet on sports betting and Crash.
I was getting a little curious as to whether it was true that it was hard for slot to get big multiplier but was afraid to give it another try Huh

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 23, 2023, 10:18:19 AM

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 16, 2023, 07:05:45 AM

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That's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to say that Plinko is so boring that I hate this game and never play it. No. I used to play Plinko a lot in the past. I even hit 1,000x multiplier twice, although the win itself wasn't that big because the stake was around 1 cent only. But, as I see, you agree yourself that Plinko can become boring with time. There are many online slots that can become boring too, most of them, I would say. But I think there are more than twenty of them that no one would call boring.

Yeah, different people love different things.

Casinos usually go for the most common things that people like with their machines, with all the sound effects and lights, etc. They are the money making ones for the masses.

But they also experiment from time to time with different designs to see what actually gets people to play more.

What I've noticed is that people don't play some particular slots because they are "money-making machines". There's no such thing as a money-making slot, right? People prefer to play on slots that are famous because someone won big money on them and placed the video about that on YouTube. Only that thing is not enough by itself. Slots must be well designed and made. Sounds you hear and pictures you see should be really attractive to make you play that slot again even if you lost a bit of your money with it.

Yes but lately most slots have lost this unique feature to keep you entertained while you play,the fact that many of them do not give you the bonus round in more than 500 spins is a big turn off for people.For me this was the main reason I don't play slots anymore as no matter how beautiful the graphics of a slot are,the sounds I hear are attractive as long as I don't get something to make me think that I just missed it for this little I can start quitting right away without turning back and in fact this was my idea,I have quit from more than 3 weeks now and I don't feel the need to come back,sure I play sometimes only the bonus amount I get weekly and monthly because of my sport betting and I play the bonus in the casino,guess what it flies away without me even noticing it Grin

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 16, 2023, 07:05:45 AM

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That's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to say that Plinko is so boring that I hate this game and never play it. No. I used to play Plinko a lot in the past. I even hit 1,000x multiplier twice, although the win itself wasn't that big because the stake was around 1 cent only. But, as I see, you agree yourself that Plinko can become boring with time. There are many online slots that can become boring too, most of them, I would say. But I think there are more than twenty of them that no one would call boring.

Yeah, different people love different things.

Casinos usually go for the most common things that people like with their machines, with all the sound effects and lights, etc. They are the money making ones for the masses.

But they also experiment from time to time with different designs to see what actually gets people to play more.

What I've noticed is that people don't play some particular slots because they are "money-making machines". There's no such thing as a money-making slot, right? People prefer to play on slots that are famous because someone won big money on them and placed the video about that on YouTube. Only that thing is not enough by itself. Slots must be well designed and made. Sounds you hear and pictures you see should be really attractive to make you play that slot again even if you lost a bit of your money with it.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 20, 2023, 05:46:32 AM

1000x must be hard to win as well, what are the odds?
I know it is frustating to play and not win but maybe take it as a way to practice outcome independence
being happy regardless of what happens

Hitting 1,000x in plinko is 0.0015% or we can say it is 1 in 150k if my math is correct

I play this game a lot and I have hit 1,000x many times but most of the time it was just small bet $0.1-$0.3
I love this game since I play it for the first time years ago, the best thing in this game is that there is a guarantee 0.2x bet back in each bet because there is no 0x in the plinko game that I play.
Actually slot is better if the main idea is to hunt big multiplier because it gives more chances and more variations of multiplier.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 16, 2023, 07:05:45 AM

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to say that Plinko is so boring that I hate this game and never play it. No. I used to play Plinko a lot in the past. I even hit 1,000x multiplier twice, although the win itself wasn't that big because the stake was around 1 cent only. But, as I see, you agree yourself that Plinko can become boring with time. There are many online slots that can become boring too, most of them, I would say. But I think there are more than twenty of them that no one would call boring.

I played Plinko and never won 1,000x this is actually a little frustrating because in Plinko playing for too long this is really bored I feel, maybe it's not just me, many people say the same that Plinko sucks.

The games that never get bored are slots but these are just a few favorites while the slots from so many other providers I don't like except for the Pragmatic play provider, but that's the slot sometimes with a little capital it's always addictive, it's hard to stop feeling curious because you want to continue.

But now slot games are pretty much reduced, I'm switching more to sports betting which is the current focus.

1000x must be hard to win as well, what are the odds?
I know it is frustating to play and not win but maybe take it as a way to practice outcome independence
being happy regardless of what happens

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 16, 2023, 07:05:45 AM

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to say that Plinko is so boring that I hate this game and never play it. No. I used to play Plinko a lot in the past. I even hit 1,000x multiplier twice, although the win itself wasn't that big because the stake was around 1 cent only. But, as I see, you agree yourself that Plinko can become boring with time. There are many online slots that can become boring too, most of them, I would say. But I think there are more than twenty of them that no one would call boring.

I played Plinko and never won 1,000x this is actually a little frustrating because in Plinko playing for too long this is really bored I feel, maybe it's not just me, many people say the same that Plinko sucks.

The games that never get bored are slots but these are just a few favorites while the slots from so many other providers I don't like except for the Pragmatic play provider, but that's the slot sometimes with a little capital it's always addictive, it's hard to stop feeling curious because you want to continue.

But now slot games are pretty much reduced, I'm switching more to sports betting which is the current focus.

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Quote from: Jating on July 14, 2023, 12:50:01 AM

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yep, it's true that some casinos provide a much smaller IDR value for a minimum bet and you don't need to use a large amount to be able to spin 10k. but it seems like what @Jating meant calculating globally with $0.15 min bet might be a bit big with a total budget of at least $1000+

btw, talking about playing with long sessions in my opinion it will not guarantee getting a big multiplier because if we remember that slot games depend on luck and there are so many people who only spin 1 but can get maxwin in pragmatic and I have experienced it myself.
we must also always remember that the longer we bet the less we will lose with the house edge.

Correct, there is no guarantee of getting big multiplier but since the main idea is to test the luck with specific number of spins (not to win huge amount of money), then it is how the best way to do which is to bet with the lowest available min bet. That's why I said that it is not really true to say that we need to have huge amount of money to test our luck because luck may come anytime even in our very first bets.

In fact usually if we are to get that huge win multiplier chances are higher that we get in the very first initial spins because as long as we keep on playing the chances in theory are higher to hit a big multiplier but in reality they become much slimmer.So we don't need a lot of money to test our luck and there are x10.000 max wins that you can buy the bonus round with just x37 amount of your bet,like in the Stake Originals game in Tome of Life.In the long run we all know that we lose on slots but the dream of getting the max win is what keeps us coming back.

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Quote from: Jating on July 14, 2023, 12:50:01 AM

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Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 11:04:54 AM

Playing slots and getting wins from slot games requires luck because slot games are luck-based gambling games. So no matter how hard you try, if you don't have luck, it will be difficult for you to win, and you waste your money to have fun because you are trying to chase that win. But it's a different matter if you want to have fun playing slots because you only bet what you can afford, and when you have had enough, you will stop immediately because you know you can probably lose more money. Even though the chance to win will still be there, it is not recommended to continue playing slots because we don't know when to get lucky and win.

But if we really study slot games, especially with pragmatic providers, then there is also one factor other than luck to be able to get a larger number of wins, namely by playing even harder or you can say playing longer in the game session because then we can have a big chance to get a big multiplier.
I've proven it myself when I did quite a lot of rounds, more or less in 1000 rounds, the multiplier of 250x and 500x can come out easily, but indeed the multiplier can break if we are lucky.

Yes, more sessions is good to hit that huge multiplier, but then again, how many of us have huge money to begin with and play slots and have like 10,000 spins to test our luck?

Although there are members here who love to play slot games, but for me, I would rather stay away from this kind of games. I used to play slots a lot during the beginning, but I would rather choose other games like sports betting. Again, I have nothing against them, but it's not for me. Maybe I just will play with small money just to test my luck but that's it.

The right question, this can never be me, how can someone who is trying to play sane with gambling use a lot of money because they want to get luck on that same day? That's not mentally safe, this could destroy someone in just one single day.

I like playing Slots but if I don't win I always leave for that day, and come back any other say, it's safer for my health this way, it's either this or I quit gambling for life, because what this person is teaching is not for 90% of gamblers, if he has the money to throw around that's good for only him, but if someone reading this embark on such idea they will lose themselves and lastly become that addict and break all rules that they are trying not to.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 16, 2023, 07:05:45 AM

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That's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to say that Plinko is so boring that I hate this game and never play it. No. I used to play Plinko a lot in the past. I even hit 1,000x multiplier twice, although the win itself wasn't that big because the stake was around 1 cent only. But, as I see, you agree yourself that Plinko can become boring with time. There are many online slots that can become boring too, most of them, I would say. But I think there are more than twenty of them that no one would call boring.

Yeah, different people love different things.

Casinos usually go for the most common things that people like with their machines, with all the sound effects and lights, etc. They are the money making ones for the masses.

But they also experiment from time to time with different designs to see what actually gets people to play more.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 09, 2023, 08:27:54 AM

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Not everyone gets bored playing Plinko, there are even those who solely play that game. Personally, I also find it enjoyable and not boring. However, if you play it for a long time, it can become repetitive and boring. The main point is that everyone has different preferences, so we can't say that everyone dislikes this game. On the other hand, slots are specifically designed to be entertaining, which is why most people find them enjoyable to play and don't get bored easily.

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to say that Plinko is so boring that I hate this game and never play it. No. I used to play Plinko a lot in the past. I even hit 1,000x multiplier twice, although the win itself wasn't that big because the stake was around 1 cent only. But, as I see, you agree yourself that Plinko can become boring with time. There are many online slots that can become boring too, most of them, I would say. But I think there are more than twenty of them that no one would call boring.

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Quote from: Jating on July 14, 2023, 12:50:01 AM

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yep, it's true that some casinos provide a much smaller IDR value for a minimum bet and you don't need to use a large amount to be able to spin 10k. but it seems like what @Jating meant calculating globally with $0.15 min bet might be a bit big with a total budget of at least $1000+

btw, talking about playing with long sessions in my opinion it will not guarantee getting a big multiplier because if we remember that slot games depend on luck and there are so many people who only spin 1 but can get maxwin in pragmatic and I have experienced it myself.
we must also always remember that the longer we bet the less we will lose with the house edge.

Correct, there is no guarantee of getting big multiplier but since the main idea is to test the luck with specific number of spins (not to win huge amount of money), then it is how the best way to do which is to bet with the lowest available min bet. That's why I said that it is not really true to say that we need to have huge amount of money to test our luck because luck may come anytime even in our very first bets.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 14, 2023, 09:31:43 AM

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exactly
this is what I thought
when you play online there are ways to verify it, but do you know if there are ways to check when playing offline or you simply have to trust the casino owner?

This changes a bit from country to country, even state by state or areas. But most of the casinos have to comply with certain regulations, and basically they get a license to run the machine.

Each machine has a license, and it's proven by a third party that it is actually operating fairly.

So, yes, there is some level of trust.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 14, 2023, 12:40:01 AM

Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 11:04:54 AM

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But if we really study slot games, especially with pragmatic providers, then there is also one factor other than luck to be able to get a larger number of wins, namely by playing even harder or you can say playing longer in the game session because then we can have a big chance to get a big multiplier.
I've proven it myself when I did quite a lot of rounds, more or less in 1000 rounds, the multiplier of 250x and 500x can come out easily, but indeed the multiplier can break if we are lucky.

I never use 1000 spins because it must be related to the amount of money used for the total spins. I usually only play 200 spins, but very rarely, if ever, see multiples of 250x and even 500x come out and be able to get one. But even so, if we are unlucky, we won't be able to get that big win, and that's why only a few people can get it. I can't imagine how much money I have to use to get that big win, and I don't think I can afford to see a big loss. That's what made me only gamble with enough money and, besides that, to avoid being addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: nullama on July 13, 2023, 11:38:59 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 13, 2023, 10:48:53 AM

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if you're playing slots like 100 times would you split your tries into many different slot machines or all in the same one?

some think that it'd be better to put it all in the same machine but in reality I'm not sure.

each game should be outcome independent but I have no idea how the programming of these machines work.
would love to talk with someone who builds it

At the end of the day these machines have to be provably random, that means that they can prove that it behaves as a random event.

In that case, it means that it doesn't really matter if you play in one machine or in many, each interaction is completely independent of the other.

exactly
this is what I thought
when you play online there are ways to verify it, but do you know if there are ways to check when playing offline or you simply have to trust the casino owner?

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Quote from: tusandii on July 14, 2023, 12:40:01 AM

Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 11:04:54 AM

Playing slots and getting wins from slot games requires luck because slot games are luck-based gambling games. So no matter how hard you try, if you don't have luck, it will be difficult for you to win, and you waste your money to have fun because you are trying to chase that win. But it's a different matter if you want to have fun playing slots because you only bet what you can afford, and when you have had enough, you will stop immediately because you know you can probably lose more money. Even though the chance to win will still be there, it is not recommended to continue playing slots because we don't know when to get lucky and win.

But if we really study slot games, especially with pragmatic providers, then there is also one factor other than luck to be able to get a larger number of wins, namely by playing even harder or you can say playing longer in the game session because then we can have a big chance to get a big multiplier.
I've proven it myself when I did quite a lot of rounds, more or less in 1000 rounds, the multiplier of 250x and 500x can come out easily, but indeed the multiplier can break if we are lucky.

In the latest games of Pragmatic,Big Bass Amazon Extreme,Wisdom of Athena and others you will rarely see the 500x if at all.I am talking specifically about Wisdom of Athena which in theory has this multiplier and has a 10000x max win,it resembles a lot to Gate of Olympus with a welcome change that you get the multiplier even if you get a win without multiplier in that win,and this gives you a big boost if you happen to get that big multiplier of 500x which directly translates to the max win most probably.However good luck on even seeing 100x in this game,maybe this is new and not played much so we have to wait and this may become the new game gamblers favorite,Gate of Olympus has been far for long enough.

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Quote from: Bitinity on July 14, 2023, 02:23:57 AM

Quote from: Jating on July 14, 2023, 12:50:01 AM

Yes, more sessions is good to hit that huge multiplier, but then again, how many of us have huge money to begin with and play slots and have like 10,000 spins to test our luck?

He is talking about pragmatic play games so basically someone do not need to have huge amount of money to start. In Pragmatic and in some casinos, you are allowed to bet with 200IDR = 0.013USD per spin. Mathematically to make 10k bets, you need to have $130 max because it is impossible if you lose every the whole bet amount every spins. I do think that $50-$70 is enough to make 10k bets in Pragmatic games with the lowest bet amount and I dont think $50-70 is huge amount to spend.

yep, it's true that some casinos provide a much smaller IDR value for a minimum bet and you don't need to use a large amount to be able to spin 10k. but it seems like what @Jating meant calculating globally with $0.15 min bet might be a bit big with a total budget of at least $1000+

btw, talking about playing with long sessions in my opinion it will not guarantee getting a big multiplier because if we remember that slot games depend on luck and there are so many people who only spin 1 but can get maxwin in pragmatic and I have experienced it myself.
we must also always remember that the longer we bet the less we will lose with the house edge.

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