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Topic: Do you merit based on post or on the account history? (Read 1454 times)

legendary
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Yes, if you can keep up your hard work and explore the forum a lot, after gaining enough knowledge, if you try it, then you can definitely become a Merit Source.
Nothing is definitely - it all depends on theymos. You should know - there are many merit source applications currently pending, almost all of which are good contributors to the forum. So how can you say that for definitely?

There is no reason why you cannot become a Merit Source because if you can move forward well with your quality and quantity, then you can definitely become one.
There are many reasons - one of which is probably the easiest to say is that you are no better than other applicants based on theymos ratings. If so - you still failed to become one of them.

But it was good to see your distribution system because to reach those who are not able to reach the next rank due to a few merits, such a post has been created in the forum, if they want that help, they can get help from there. Since you also said that you will help them, I like it, try it, you can also.
If you want to be useful - then contribute in any way including being a user who reports low quality posts, spam or fraud. Every 2 merit you receive from other users you can spend 1 sMerit to other user on community - it depends on who you send them to. So don't just stick to merit sources - even if you are not a merit source you can still spend merit like most other users.
full member
Activity: 28
Merit: 7
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Everyone may have a different opinion about giving merit to a post. Also my opinion is that I want to help the younger ones in the early stages who are waiting for their next rank. I don't know if I will ever be a merit source in this forum but if ever I am lucky enough to achieve it Grin,
Yes, if you can keep up your hard work and explore the forum a lot, after gaining enough knowledge, if you try it, then you can definitely become a Merit Source. There is no reason why you cannot become a Merit Source because if you can move forward well with your quality and quantity, then you can definitely become one.

But it was good to see your distribution system because to reach those who are not able to reach the next rank due to a few merits, such a post has been created in the forum, if they want that help, they can get help from there. Since you also said that you will help them, I like it, try it, you can also.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1176
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I could give merit to any user for many reasons which may depends on my judgement at the time. Am not really a fan of profile check before awarding merits, and also, I know that in few cases I have dished out a few merits out of sympathy specifically to newbies thread and reasons for that are best known to me.

The bottom line is that provided a post makes sense to the individual in any special way that it's not stupid then there's no harm in leaving a merit on it if one so desire.

One thing have also observed in the forum is that some users easily gives merit to a post that have been merited by another user already, maybe because they think that if such a post has received merit already then it must be a good and quality post so let me add to the number. I may be wrong about this though as it's just an observation.

I don't think anyone will give merit because they are newbie and need it, we were all newbie and remember how difficult it was at the beginning, when every merit was of great importance to us.

Good observation, I agree with you that users are more willing to give merit if this post has been previously rated by another user. I don't know why this happens, maybe there are users who are not sure how exactly they should rate posts and even those posts that they found useful they won't rate either. I also noticed that there are fans who are more loyal to each other, maybe they enjoy communicating with each other, maybe they found a common language, or maybe they are even friends in real life, I don't know the reasons, but they definitely exist. )

There may be a case when you don't have a lot of merits and you need to choose only a few posts, that you consider the most useful.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 816
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One thing have also observed in the forum is that some users easily gives merit to a post that have been merited by another user already, maybe because they think that if such a post has received merit already then it must be a good and quality post so let me add to the number. I may be wrong about this though as it's just an observation.

This case is especially often when someone's post has been marked with merits by well-known forum members with high ranks. Then it is believed that since they have recognized someone's post as worthy, then others should do the same. But I am personally against such a herd instinct, because I do not like rank worship since it is often not justified. Moreover, such behavior blinds us to the fact that the system of merits, no matter how hard we try to find some common criteria inherent in all those who give merits, always remains subjective. And everyone who has sMerits can give them to anyone and for anything, if they consider it appropriate in their own system of coordinates.
hero member
Activity: 938
Merit: 605
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I could give merit to any user for many reasons which may depends on my judgement at the time. Am not really a fan of profile check before awarding merits, and also, I know that in few cases I have dished out a few merits out of sympathy specifically to newbies thread and reasons for that are best known to me.

The bottom line is that provided a post makes sense to the individual in any special way that it's not stupid then there's no harm in leaving a merit on it if one so desire.

One thing have also observed in the forum is that some users easily gives merit to a post that have been merited by another user already, maybe because they think that if such a post has received merit already then it must be a good and quality post so let me add to the number. I may be wrong about this though as it's just an observation.
hero member
Activity: 504
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... but anybody that pops out from nowhere and then makes a good post..personally I will be interested to see if he/she is consistent with their post style and not chasing some merit or trying to join a sig campaign.

But even if so, then what? Firstly, it may be related to the fact that the person wrote more in local threads and simply did not appear in the main sections, so you may not have heard of him. And it is difficult to check the history of local posts due to the language barrier.

Secondly, sometimes  chasing some merit or trying to join a signature campaign can become a pretty strong incentive to write better and higher quality posts. And if this motivation works, then I don’t see any problems.

In the end, almost all those who are believed to be good posters on the forum do not disdain to participate in signature campaigns. And if someone is taken there, it means that it is at least somewhat deserved. No matter how one feels about signature campaigns, they really contribute to improving the quality of posting, especially considering that it is becoming increasingly difficult to get into them.
full member
Activity: 162
Merit: 104
Even then, the merits are still based on posts but, you’ll find a certain group of users getting them merits more than others.
Does it mean that those that are receiving merits are more creative and constructing in their post than the others in your own judgement?

This community is getting corrupt when you come to earning merit, and also sending out merit, now most people give out smerit to people they know, they don't merit base on you're qualified to earn merit, it's few people in these bitcointalk that merit users for free, politics have changed the system of merit sharing or merit earning this community.
If you say so I wouldn't argue anymore because there are politics everywhere and any place politics doesn't show up it then means that world is not complete yet. The thing is i know is very hard to accept the truth because overly we felt that people are not becoming constructive neither are they doing the right thing to earn them merits, but if you look you would see that they are making efforts.
staff
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1610
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Which party are you inviting them to? "Ignore" button you mean?  Grin Lol
I also don't understand how he would invite this but I think they will be warned about inviting or he will warn them not to do this next time so they won't post like this again they will be warned. In this way, their posts may be hidden and not exposed. But I don't know how it will be, I think it may or may not happen.

You missed the jokes - it was an obvious mistake, keyboard auto correction can be ass sometimes. He wanted to type "ignore" button not invite.
hero member
Activity: 1834
Merit: 879
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Both hold a valid reason for merit and also depends on the reputation of the user...if someone has a good standing around the forum and their post quality or forum contribution is  generally known then their post history needs no review,  but anybody that pops out from nowhere and then makes a good post..personally I will be interested to see if he/she is consistent with their post style and not chasing some merit or trying to join a sig campaign.
hero member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 711
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Personally I think merit is given depending on the post. I don't think anyone bothers about his past history while giving merit because quality posts are always given more priority when giving merit. I don't think there is any need to check a person's past history to get merit for posting good quality. Especially I never do this because I give merit only when I see that he has good quality posts and I give him merit if he posts something that deserves merit.
In norms merit is supposed to be given due quality post, and also sympathy, the sympathy aspect of it is a help some forum members render to other user that make them to rank up, for example, a member that had eight [8] merits and it remains two [2] merits to rank to full members, a full members that had two hundred and forty fifive merits [245] and is remaining five [5] merits to rank up to senior members, same application to Hero Member and legendary member, so can rank the person up without been bothered, but right now it hardly before someone will review someone profile and merit good quality post, because I could remember vividly during when I was a member and full members, sometimes you wake up and see merit on your profile, and when you check the merited post, is like a previous post you made sometimes ago..suchmoon has done that to me, even Ratimov during his stays in the forum and so many I couldn't remember, so you can only merit except you have merit fans or merit club.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
How you want to combine posts and user past history to gain merit seems ambiguous to me because there are many users who post much better quality posts in the past whose posts benefit others and become a household name nowadays. There is no need to know their history because they are already familiar faces. By familiar face I mean they are one of the best creative people in the forum. So there is no need to relearn their history when their posts come up, I feel like their quality posts are merited.
I didn't say past history, I said past merit history, as in the merits that particular user gave or didn't give to others. I explained what I do in my previous post, so there is no need to repeat it now. I obviously don't need to check people I already know and those who are using the merit system to merit others. My quick checks are reserved for users I don't yet know.
hero member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 711
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Even then, the merits are still based on posts but, you’ll find a certain group of users getting them merits more than others.
Does it mean that those that are receiving merits are more creative and constructing in their post than the others in your own judgement?
This community is getting corrupt when you come to earning merit, and also sending out merit, now most people give out smerit to people they know, they don't merit base on you're qualified to earn merit, it's few people in these bitcointalk that merit users for free, politics have changed the system of merit sharing or merit earning this community.

In my opinion, others received merits because of how they resposne but you are correct on one point.
The percentage of people whom received merit through response is not up to 8%, compared to before almost 78% users received free merit through replies.

They are fan of the users talking or maybe due to that status of the one posted.
Having Fan has changed the forum, because right now merit is been given not earned. You can not earn merit freely, except you belong to club with few people.
full member
Activity: 28
Merit: 7
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Personally I think merit is given depending on the post. I don't think anyone bothers about his past history while giving merit because quality posts are always given more priority when giving merit. I don't think there is any need to check a person's past history to get merit for posting good quality. Especially I never do this because I give merit only when I see that he has good quality posts and I give him merit if he posts something that deserves merit.

I merit based on the post, not the account history. However, that doesn’t mean an account history can’t keep them from receiving merits. For example, if a user is constantly spouting nonsense takes or spreading misinformation, I will likely hit the invite button on them. That will keep their posts hidden from me in the future and thus unable to receive merits.
Hey Op, What you said is fine but I don't understand how you intend to invite the user if they keep posting locality or crap. By inviting them or what to do, they seem to be posting bad posts or posts of locality, then what to invite them, tell a little about this matter here.
And if you invite them, will they try to hide their posts from you? I don't think it will be possible. But if they post like this then they will not be able to earn merit that's fine but how will you be able to hide their post from you?

Which party are you inviting them to? "Ignore" button you mean?  Grin Lol
I also don't understand how he would invite this but I think they will be warned about inviting or he will warn them not to do this next time so they won't post like this again they will be warned. In this way, their posts may be hidden and not exposed. But I don't know how it will be, I think it may or may not happen.

It's a combination of the post and past merit history of the user whose post I intend to merit. If the user has collected at least 10 merits, I expect them to become part of the merit system. That means meriting posts of other users they consider to be merit-worthy.
How you want to combine posts and user past history to gain merit seems ambiguous to me because there are many users who post much better quality posts in the past whose posts benefit others and become a household name nowadays. There is no need to know their history because they are already familiar faces. By familiar face I mean they are one of the best creative people in the forum. So there is no need to relearn their history when their posts come up, I feel like their quality posts are merited.

On the other hand you will see when a member is offline for some time for his own needs then he comes back and after coming back he starts posting good quality here many people don't know about his past history but they will give him merit for his good quality posts so to me. The point seems to be to gain merit by looking at the current posts, no one is going to scrutinize the history of the past so much.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
It's a combination of the post and past merit history of the user whose post I intend to merit. If the user has collected at least 10 merits, I expect them to become part of the merit system. That means meriting posts of other users they consider to be merit-worthy. If they don't want to do that, 9/10 times I won't merit that post despite initially wanting to do it. I have mentioned this several times. Be a team player. It only takes a couple of seconds.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 1225
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I merit posts based on how I feel they relate to my thought process. Those posts don't even need to agree with my position but they've to be on something that strikes me as meaningful contributions. The only way I look at anyone's post history is if I want to merit more of their posts and that's after meriting the one that caught my attention. I review to see if they're more to merit from them. That's the way I do mine. I choose quality over sentiment.
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
I usually don't check account when giving merits, except in rear cases when I noticed something suspicious about specific member, like using AI generating tools and for some newbie accounts.
Merits needs to be spent but I prefer spending them on something good rather than randomly.
staff
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1610
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I merit based on the post, not the account history. However, that doesn’t mean an account history can’t keep them from receiving merits. For example, if a user is constantly spouting nonsense takes or spreading misinformation, I will likely hit the invite button on them. That will keep their posts hidden from me in the future and thus unable to receive merits.

Which party are you inviting them to? "Ignore" button you mean?  Grin Lol
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I merit based on the post, not the account history. However, that doesn’t mean an account history can’t keep them from receiving merits. For example, if a user is constantly spouting nonsense takes or spreading misinformation, I will likely hit the invite button on them. That will keep their posts hidden from me in the future and thus unable to receive merits.
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Activity: 2156
Merit: 803
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I read the post first.  If I think it's novel information, or otherwise hard to come by, I consider it meritable.

But before I give merit, I would check the account name.  I don't believe in rewarding active scammers if they happen to hear something interesting and post it.  

Out of approximately 24 merits you have given in the last 180 days, 2 went to those who were either banned or their topic was deleted. If you have sMerits then do focus on the Indian local board which is primarily in English. I would be highly thankful as we do not create topics or replies that can get deleted by the mods. We create topics and reply to those topics that are relevant. As we do not have anyone from the global merit source helping us I have pointed out your efforts to counter our local board work or you can call it as a comparison. Thanks for reading it as I am a fan of your replies.
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Clearly some admire most high ranking users that even though they dont need such merits still they received it.


Admiration is exactly the word that best describes some users' attitudes toward some arrogant and high-ranking users. To be honest, I see this as a form of blind worship for authority that often clouds critical thinking. Not all high-ranking users who have been on this forum for a long time truly deserve merits or any respect at all. Some of them have very weak arguments, lack communication manners, and delusionally consider themselves untouchable.

In reality, they often do more harm to the community than provide any valuable contributions. So I would say that blind admiration brings nothing good. Giving merits to users just because they have a well-known username is unreasonable. Interestingly, some users who do this believe that it will attract attention to them, thinking it would be great if these famous users sent them merits back. But in most cases, that doesn’t happen, as these high-ranking users are so self-assured that they don’t feel the need to acknowledge anyone else besides those similar to them.
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