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July 16, 2014, 08:49:15 AM
Just a thought...

Do any of you with American Enemy Obama bumper stickers on your cars expect Americans, those of us with Emergency Medical Training to actually stop at any car wreck in which you may be involved?

Just curious!
You'd let em bleed to death just because they're political opponents,umair? I think you've been hitting the Palin juice a little too hard this early.
Yes, I would. More importantly, if I came upon a car wreck that YOU were involved in, I WOULD stop and render aid. It's what decent, civilized people do. Are you suggesting that you would not?
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July 16, 2014, 08:45:12 AM
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I feel obligated to support laws that make it harder for criminals and mentally ill people to get their hands on them.
Such as?  I mean, it's already pretty hard to buy a firearm and sometimes mental illness descends upon someone unexpectedly.
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I also recognize that some places - some states and cities - have been reactionary in their approach, and always thinking that they have gun laws, but crime is still happening, they've instituted stricter and stricter laws that really only affect the law abiding.
That's true.  The 'law abiding' are, by definition, not the problem and there is this risk;  being made into a criminal when a law is created.  A gun owner hasn't actually done anything wrong and is not about to yet some dweeb in a legislature passes a law and 'poof', the gun owner is a criminal.
You should have read the whole post before starting to pick it apart. I addressed this - the point is that I support a national standard that would supersede all state and local regulation.
Hysterical reaction - the law I'm talking about would not make people who own firearms into criminals. The truth is, neither do the bans - which I don't support. Let's say your state bans all handguns (again - NOT something I'd support). Owning one prior to the ban going into place does not make you a criminal. Even if the law (as it likely would) required citizens to turn in their handguns, or have them permanently disabled, you STILL would not become a criminal unless you made the conscious decision to disregard the law and not do it.

I really do not understand your hostility.  You seem to be suggesting that it's not possible for a government to make criminals with the stroke of a pen.  Governments occasionally make laws 'retroactive'.  Additionally, passing a law that the legislators know is going to be ignored... what is that if not creating criminals out of thin air?  Suppose next year Congress decides that all US citizens must purchase bell bottom jeans.  After all, the bell bottom jeans industry is in crisis!  Literally 100's of jobs are on the line here.  But you DD, you anarchist scofflaw, refuse to buy your bell bottoms and blatantly walk around in your kilt, brazenly not even wearing drawers.  You're a criminal not because of something you did but because of something you didn't do... buy your damned bell bottoms.  :-)

Merely because something is law does not mean it should be obeyed.  In fact, un-just laws should not be.
MY hostility? That's downright comical, dude. Look at your bizarre hysterical  arguments on this - you paint this idiotic scenario about how the government is going to make you a criminal by passing a law. No, the government does NOT make you a criminal by passing laws. YOU make yourself a criminal by CHOOSING not to abide by those laws. Like I said, even if the government did pass a law banning all handguns, you would not be a criminal unless you chose not to divest yourself of those guns. But in the REAL world, that's not going to happen. Yes, there are some who WANT it. But there are not NEARLY enough people who want it to EVER get it passed. It's not going to happen. But people like you and Cowboy use THAT as a silly excuse to oppose ANY reasonable regulation of guns or the sale and purchase of them. What's funny is that it has about the same chance of being passed as your hypothetical requirement to buy bell bottomed pants.
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July 16, 2014, 01:37:27 AM
Good luck quoting me quoting anyone on that chart in this topic, and welcome to my ignore evil bastards list.

Good luck trying to claim that their actions, like MLK Jr. having an "an arsenal" of guns (according to Glenn Smiley) at his and his civil rights brethren's disposal, applying for a concealed carry permit (but being denied, thanks to Jim Crow), and then being assassinated after "embracing non-violence" (which may have meant eschewing even the protection of those around him who could otherwise have posted as countersnipers and stopped James Earl Ray) had no meaning. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/mlk-and-his-guns_b_810132.html

We didn't need MLK Jr. to be a martyr, we needed him to live a long life and fight to his natural death for the civil rights that are STILL being infringed today by white presidents like Barack Obama, and everyone below his rank.

The only claim I made is that just posting some names and saying they're for/against gun control is not an argument. I did not state or even implied that MLK had no meaning and I can't even fathom how you reached that conclusion.

Also I did not resort to an ad hominem.
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July 16, 2014, 01:01:20 AM
LOL "at least 1/6 of them is still alive", as if that's a real argument.

How about this? Every single one on the bottom row has non-"collateral damage" innocent blood on his hands and thought they were doing "the right thing".

The same cannot be said for the entire top row.

The argument is about as valid as the propaganda image. It is an appeal to authority, and a poor one at that. It holds no value.

Good luck cherry picking some more (out of context) quotes of famous people and interpreting their stance on a current issue.

Good luck quoting me quoting anyone on that chart in this topic, and welcome to my ignore evil bastards list.

Good luck trying to claim that their actions, like MLK Jr. having an "an arsenal" of guns (according to Glenn Smiley) at his and his civil rights brethren's disposal, applying for a concealed carry permit (but being denied, thanks to Jim Crow), and then being assassinated after "embracing non-violence" (which may have meant eschewing even the protection of those around him who could otherwise have posted as countersnipers and stopped James Earl Ray) had no meaning. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/mlk-and-his-guns_b_810132.html

We didn't need MLK Jr. to be a martyr, we needed him to live a long life and fight to his natural death for the civil rights that are STILL being infringed today by white presidents like Barack Obama, and everyone below his rank.
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July 15, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
LOL "at least 1/6 of them is still alive", as if that's a real argument.

How about this? Every single one on the bottom row has non-"collateral damage" innocent blood on his hands and thought they were doing "the right thing".

The same cannot be said for the entire top row.

The argument is about as valid as the propaganda image. It is an appeal to authority, and a poor one at that. It holds no value.

Good luck cherry picking some more (out of context) quotes of famous people and interpreting their stance on a current issue.
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July 15, 2014, 11:23:07 PM
LOL "at least 1/6 of them is still alive", as if that's a real argument.

How about this? Every single one on the bottom row has non-"collateral damage" innocent blood on his hands and thought they were doing "the right thing".

The same cannot be said for the entire top row.
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July 15, 2014, 09:41:02 PM


I'm siding with the people who think you shouldn't own a gun then. At least 1/6 of them is still alive. Everyone in the other group is dead.

Come on, stop the cherry picked propaganda and bring some real arguments.
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July 15, 2014, 09:27:01 PM

WOW! If I'm reading that correctly, thats a little over the top. So pretty much any knife with a sharp edge is considered a weapon to harm people.


Not just knives. A saw is also considered to have a cutting edge. Scissors have cutting edges... Those common items fall into category 4 I guess. So if you're caught "open carrying" a saw in an urban area without trees one could argue there is no other intended purpose than to hurt someone, right?  There is no other use for a saw there, is there?

The same could even be said about scissors... If you're "open carrying" a pair of scissors at a cross road.... Well, there's no obvious purpose for the scissors. You must be a psycho murderer waiting for a victim!

Catch all rules are very open to interpretation and thus abuse. Do you trust your law enforcement and/or department of justice to make the right decision?

Not at all.  Right now here in Canada we have politicians that are trying to ban handguns in Toronto.  Their logic is that no one needs a handgun who lives in the city, even though firearms offenses are on the decline.  

In Alberta last year the RCMP went into homes illegally after people were evacuated because of flooding, they said it was for public safety and they took peoples firearms from their homes.  People are still fighting to have their firearms returned.  They are now trying to pass into law that would allow them to confiscate any firearms in the event of a disaster/emergency.

There is a real movement taking place to remove firearms from people here.  Their end goal is to disarm every citizen and only have the police/military to have access to them.



Thank you for your post!

Well worth reprinting!

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July 15, 2014, 09:13:07 PM

WOW! If I'm reading that correctly, thats a little over the top. So pretty much any knife with a sharp edge is considered a weapon to harm people.


Not just knives. A saw is also considered to have a cutting edge. Scissors have cutting edges... Those common items fall into category 4 I guess. So if you're caught "open carrying" a saw in an urban area without trees one could argue there is no other intended purpose than to hurt someone, right?  There is no other use for a saw there, is there?

The same could even be said about scissors... If you're "open carrying" a pair of scissors at a cross road.... Well, there's no obvious purpose for the scissors. You must be a psycho murderer waiting for a victim!

Catch all rules are very open to interpretation and thus abuse. Do you trust your law enforcement and/or department of justice to make the right decision?

Not at all.  Right now here in Canada we have politicians that are trying to ban handguns in Toronto.  Their logic is that no one needs a handgun who lives in the city, even though firearms offenses are on the decline.  

In Alberta last year the RCMP went into homes illegally after people were evacuated because of flooding, they said it was for public safety and they took peoples firearms from their homes.  People are still fighting to have their firearms returned.  They are now trying to pass into law that would allow them to confiscate any firearms in the event of a disaster/emergency.

There is a real movement taking place to remove firearms from people here.  Their end goal is to disarm every citizen and only have the police/military to have access to them.

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July 15, 2014, 09:06:00 PM
I want a gun buy i want to make one

Same here I'd like a 3D printed gun or I'd like to learn how to put one together and buy the parts separately.  I think that is a real good way to better understand a
Just a thought...

Do any of you with American Enemy Obama bumper stickers on your cars expect Americans, those of us with Emergency Medical Training to actually stop at any car wreck in which you may be involved?

Just curious!
weapon if you plan you use it.

do you plan to keep you job for a very long time?  I can already see and hear the news stories now.  The IRS scandal x10 lol.
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July 15, 2014, 07:00:35 PM

WOW! If I'm reading that correctly, thats a little over the top. So pretty much any knife with a sharp edge is considered a weapon to harm people.


Not just knives. A saw is also considered to have a cutting edge. Scissors have cutting edges... Those common items fall into category 4 I guess. So if you're caught "open carrying" a saw in an urban area without trees one could argue there is no other intended purpose than to hurt someone, right?  There is no other use for a saw there, is there?

The same could even be said about scissors... If you're "open carrying" a pair of scissors at a cross road.... Well, there's no obvious purpose for the scissors. You must be a psycho murderer waiting for a victim!

Catch all rules are very open to interpretation and thus abuse. Do you trust your law enforcement and/or department of justice to make the right decision?
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July 15, 2014, 05:01:15 PM
I don't own any.

Where I am from knives are regulated too.

Regulated how exactly?

In Canada these knives are considered prohibited:

    automatic knives such as switchblades
    centrifugal knives such as flick knives or butterfly knives;
    gravity knives;
    Constant Companion (belt-buckle knife)
    finger rings with blades or other sharp objects projecting from the surface;
    push daggers;
    spiked wristbands;

Do any of those fit into your "regulated" category?

Quote from: Google translate of Dutch Law
Category 1 weapons - completely prohibited
Weapons in this category are, without exemption, entirely prohibited: both its possession and trade in it. This category includes, among others:

Stilettos (spring blades) blades with lateral projecting blade
Flick knives: knives with protruding blade (with or without spring)
Butterfly knives: knives with a handle that consists of two parts, which can be lifted to the blade back (see note below)
Foldable blades with a total unfolded length above 28 cm
Foldable knife with a blade over a cutting edge has
throwing Stars
Vilmessen and ballistic knives
Bladed weapons which looks similar to an object other than a weapon
Arrows and arrowheads, intended to be fired, which feature cutting parts with the obvious intent thereby to cause serious injury.

Category 4 weapons - possession allowed, not allowed to carry in public
Knives in this category may be in the possession or trafficking. These weapons are not worn. That is, they must be so packed properly during transport that they can not be used for immediate use.

From our range fall under Category 4:

Edged weapons (knives) with a blade more than one cutting edge, provided they do not fall under Category 1.
Notes: * A closed folding knife with a blade over a cutting edge has falls under Category 1 - and is completely forbidden. Note: A zaagtanding is hereby considered cutting edge!
* A knife with fixed blade and more than one cutting edge (eg zaagtanding in the back) falls under Category 4.
Cutlasses, swords, sabers and bayonets.
Objects which, given their nature or context in which they are found, it can be reasonably assumed that they are intended for no other purpose than to bring harm to persons or to threaten - and not covered by any of the other three categories.
NOTE: It is very important that you carrying such a weapon is always well packaged.

Sorry for the poor translation, I am not familiar with all the specific knive related terms in English so I resorted to google translate. Do note the catch-all.

WOW! If I'm reading that correctly, thats a little over the top. So pretty much any knife with a sharp edge is considered a weapon to harm people.

How much in this thread you use firearm for hunting?

Currently, no. I am in the process of taking my course to acquire my hunting license.  I would much rather eat meat that is free from all hormones and antibiotics that they use in factory farms.  Also, it's much cheaper overall.  Getting harder and harder to make it these days, especially with meat prices soaring.
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July 15, 2014, 03:51:49 PM
How much in this thread you use firearm for hunting?

I just use mine to shoot shit because it's fun.  No hunting.

That said, I have a Ruger 10/22, and a New England BA 0.410 Shotgun.
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July 15, 2014, 12:12:56 PM
How much in this thread you use firearm for hunting?
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July 15, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
Just a thought...

Do any of you with American Enemy Obama bumper stickers on your cars expect Americans, those of us with Emergency Medical Training to actually stop at any car wreck in which you may be involved?

Just curious!
I expect that. WTF kind of EMT decides to uphold their duty to respond based on bumper stickers? And if you are identified as a licensed responder it may be a crime to not render aid.
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July 15, 2014, 11:44:17 AM
Just a thought...

Do any of you with American Enemy Obama bumper stickers on your cars expect Americans, those of us with Emergency Medical Training to actually stop at any car wreck in which you may be involved?

Just curious!
You'd let em bleed to death just because they're political opponents,umair? I think you've been hitting the Palin juice a little too hard this early.
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July 15, 2014, 11:34:12 AM
Again, most gun deaths are the suicides you liberals support. Most of the rest are inner-city gangs killing each other, so if you are not suicidal, not a gang member, don't deal in drugs, and you are not a cop, your chances of being shot in America are near zero.

The gun 'crisis', like so many other 'emergencies', is liberal hogwash being used as an excuse to further limit the rights of We, the People. There is no gun crisis, and if you are as smart as you claim you are, then you damn know it.
That's bullshit and has always been bullshit. Unless you live in Chicago you are more likely to be shot by your lover or spouse or someone who knows you. Its the "lawful gun owner' who generally kills his wife and children in their beds....not gang members or criminals.
How many people a year are killed by a "lawful gun owner' who generally kills his wife and children in their beds"? I'll make it easier...what percentage of Americans will not be killed by the " 'lawful gun owner' who generally kills his wife and children in their beds"? 
Show us the stats and prove that there's a 'crisis'!You run your big mouth all the time with wild accusations and hyperbole, but you never prove it. 
Well, I don't want to be hyperbolic or anything:

Houston Crime
4 children, 2 adults shot dead in Spring; prompts hours-long

http://www.khou.com/news/crime

Related:

    Neighbors react to mass shooting in north Harris Countyadd to reading list

 http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Neighbors-react-to-mass-shooting-in-north-Harris-County-266535081.html

SPRING, Texas – Six people were shot dead, including four children, Wednesday afternoon in north Harris County, according to Harris County Pct. 4 deputies.

The incident happened at a home in the 700 block of Leaflet in the Enchanted Oaks subdivision.

Deputies responded to a shooting and found the victims. The sole survivor, a 15-year-old female, told authorities the gunman was on his way to another home to kill more relatives. The deputies beat him to that home.

A three-hour long standoff took place in a cul-de-sac on Countrymeadows near Country Canyon. Neighbors were forced out of their homes as the situation unfolded.

“The sheriff’s hostage negotiators have successfully resolved this,” said Constable Ron Hickman. “He’s removed from the vehicle without incident.”

The victims were ages five to 40. Four children and two adults died. According to authorities, it was a domestic dispute between a man and his estranged wife.

Authorities did not release the victims' identities and did not say how they might be related to each other or the suspect.

“Our hearts go out to the families involved in this tragedy,” said Hickman.
Do 6 deaths out of a population of 330,000,000 represent a crisis? Let's see your 4 kids get shot dead by a guy in a "domestic dispute" (usually is a guy going after an 'estranged' wife and kids or anyone nearby; assorted relatives) and see if you call it a crisis. 
If that's a crisis then certainly 12 dead and 60 wounded in Chicago is a crisis. And that crisis happens just about every weekend. Do you think those gang members care about gun laws or getting their guns legally registered?
Of course it would be a personal crisis, but not a national crisis. It would be terrible and I would be grief stricken, but unlike that liberal lawyer in California, I would blame the shooter, and not use the incident to promote the liberal agenda of disarming America.


Around 30,000 per year are shot to death. Most are suicides, and of the rest, most are gang killings. 30,000 out of a population of around 330,000,000. That means that 99.99909% of Americans will not be killed in a given year.

There is no gun crisis.

There is a gang crisis, but liberals are not interested.

There is also a suicide crisis, and liberals would solve that by licensing doctors to assist in the suicide.

Rose points out that around 1,000 women a year die at the hands of a man. That has been going on since we lived in caves, so girls ought to be taught in schools that if a boy hits them once, he will always hit them. He will not change, and he might eventually kill them, so tell the police and have him arrested. Three arrests for hitting a woman should get him life in prison, where he belongs.

If such men have no gun, they will use a knife or a club. Remember OJ simpson?
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July 15, 2014, 11:19:43 AM
Just a thought...

Do any of you with American Enemy Obama bumper stickers on your cars expect Americans, those of us with Emergency Medical Training to actually stop at any car wreck in which you may be involved?

Just curious!
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July 15, 2014, 11:17:26 AM
Yes, that's right, blame the NRA and the government for something done by violent sociopaths who clearly had mental problems that needed fixing, there's absolutely no way that someone mental is the problem and it has absolutely nothing to do with the pathetic amount of support the mentally challenged in America have and how psychologists are basically trying to solve the problem by drugging up these people leading to them becoming even more violent and depressed than they were.

Bolded so people get my points about this whole stupid gun control argument.
Many millions of us fought, and some died to protect peaceful, American citizens' freedom and Liberty FROM Government, and the Individual right of EACH American to possess and safely use our guns.

Were this NOT the case, we might have preferred to join the military of a "FREE" nation and leave the Collectivist slime to their own devices, unworthy of any defense.
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July 15, 2014, 08:38:06 AM
Chris Christie's Bizarre Pro-Life Defense Of 10-Bullet Gun Magazine Bill Veto
By John Amato July 9, 2014
Chris Christie's bizarre reasons for vetoing the ten bullet gun magazine bill

I wrote about Joe Scarborough calling the New Jersey governor a chickensh*t because he refused to met with the Sandy Hook families after he vetoed a bill reducing the number of bullets that would be in a magazine, but first I wanted to highlight how he defended himself on the veto because it was so truly off the wall.

    Christie: I've heard the argument so are we saying that the 10 children on the clip they advocate for, that their lives are less valuable? If you take the logical conclusion of their argument, you go to zero because every life is valuable. And so why 10? Why not six? Why not two? Why not one? Why not zero? Why not just ban guns completely?

    So the logical conclusion of their argument is that you get to zero eventually so you know, I understand their argument. I feel extraordinary sympathy for them and the other families and all the families across America who are the victims of gun violence.

What they are saying is by reducing the number of bullets in a gun clip, you're giving maniacs less bullets and less firepower to massacre humans with, Chris. Every life saved is a victory. How he goes from 10 bullets in a magazine to zero is stunning to say the least. Why does anyone need fifteen round magazines is beyond me accept if you plan to be in a war. The lengths in which he ties himself up in knots to defend his veto is mind boggling.

UPDATE: Mark Barden, a parent of the Sandy Hook massacre was very upset that Christie refused to meet with him:

    Nearly a week after Gov. Chris Christie rejected a controversial gun control measureand then declined to meet with the parents of two children gunned down in Connecticut, the father of one slain first-grader described the governor’s reason for turning down a meeting with them as "unfortunate."

    Mark Barden, whose son Daniel, 7, was killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., said he was confused by the Republican governor’s comments on Monday in which he defended his decision to veto the bill intended to reduce the size of ammunition magazines from 15 rounds to 10.



http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/joe-scarborough-calls-chris-christie
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